How would you reintroduce Venus de Milo?

[Cryomancer]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

In defense of FW, the whole "turtles to full grown in a day" thing is Mirage canon. It's canon they backpedaled on, but...it's in issue #1.

Mirage at least doesn't have them with instantly formed personalities and the ability to speak English.

Although maybe stuff like bloodsucker would fall into that.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

In defense of FW, the whole "turtles to full grown in a day" thing is Mirage canon. It's canon they backpedaled on, but...it's in issue #1.

I will admit that I briefly forgot about the inconsistancies the Fred Wolf mutagen had. The point made here is that the Mirage mutagen mutated subjects in one way and one way only, and while we're the subject, I'm pretty sure they only doubled in size the first day but the full mutation took a year.

Now why it would make them more human like... I'm not sure...

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by neatoman

I will admit that I briefly forgot about the inconsistancies the Fred Wolf mutagen had. The point made here is that the Mirage mutagen mutated subjects in one way and one way only, and while we're the subject, I'm pretty sure they only doubled in size the first day but the full mutation took a year.

Now why it would make them more human like... I'm not sure...

You are absolutely right!
My bad.

[Wolfie65]

The first thing you'd need would be a credible Genesis.
Something better than:
Mikey:"So...like, some mutagen canister fell on you when you were a baby turtle, too, right after you were touched by a human? Gnarly co-inky-dinky! This calls for PIZZA, dudes....and Betty...!"
Raph:"She's not a real turtle! Let's kick her shell before she makes trouble!"
Donnie:"NOOO!!! No one touch her! She's my only chance of EVER finding a girlfriend! Venus, I'll build you ANY computer you want!"
Leo:"Now, guys...."

[tmnt transformer]

I always thought it would be cool if like, she was alternate universe version of Leo or something. For example, Her universe could have been destroyed by the triceratons with the black hole generator, and the fugetoid was only able to rescue her, with the inability to go back in time. So instead, she goes dimension hopping, and eventually gets stuck on the nick tmnt dimension. (P.s. What is the big deal with "Shell boobs"? Thats like, the easiest way to identify her as a female human turtle hybrid.)

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by tmnt transformer

(P.s. What is the big deal with "Shell boobs"? Thats like, the easiest way to identify her as a female human turtle hybrid.)

No it's really not.

[CyberCubed]

The problem with Venus is she was also Mary Sue-ish. The Turtles needed help to take down the villain or solve a problem? Venus. They used her magic abilities to do everything.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

HERE'S an idea. What if Venus had magic the same way Scarlet Witch had magic?

In other words, she's mentally unstable, growing more disenchanted, and eventually wrecks havoc with her abilities.

Or, actually, that sounds a little too similar to Andrew's "Odyssey" idea...

[sdp]

I think Venus only used her magic in the pilot episode East Meets West, I can't really recall her using magic later and if she did it must've been something very small. Most of the misconceptions of the show come from East Meets West but the rest of the season is nothing like that. The actual show rarely focused on Venus and was easily the least represented turtle in the show with Raph getting the most screen time along with Mikey and his pirate radio. Counting how much hate she gets you'd think she was the focus of every episode. Mary Sue falls better to say Rei in Star Wars 7 here Venus is no more useful than any other turtle.

[Powder]

Originally Posted by tmnt transformer

(P.s. What is the big deal with "Shell boobs"? Thats like, the easiest way to identify her as a female human turtle hybrid.)

Feminists detest them for socio-political reasons & the rest of us think they're just goofy as shell.

[SKX31]

Originally Posted by tmnt transformer

I always thought it would be cool if like, she was alternate universe version of Leo or something. For example, Her universe could have been destroyed by the triceratons with the black hole generator, and the fugetoid was only able to rescue her, with the inability to go back in time. So instead, she goes dimension hopping, and eventually gets stuck on the nick tmnt dimension. (P.s. What is the big deal with "Shell boobs"? Thats like, the easiest way to identify her as a female human turtle hybrid.)

That is a pretty good idea, actually. That would solve a lot of stuff that one can notice right of the bat - such as "Why is she named after a sculpture when the theme's been artists for the turtles?"

I think (only a wild guess, but still) the big problem people have with "shell boobs" is exactly the problem people have anything anthropomorphic (including furries). Aka. some find it off-putting because it combines human and animal features in a sometimes messy manner. People are still pretty angry over Lola's "bunny boobs" - and Space Jam came from pretty much the same time frame as NM (mid-late 90s)!

However, if Nick doesn't introduce her, then there are some things that needs to be done by a future TMNT series:

1. If she doesn't come from an alternate universe / planet / whatever, I'm going with a pretty radical suggestion: rename her. Venus' name has been tainted pretty much for all eternity since Next Mutation was her only appearance. And a quick Google search turns up a surprising amount of female Renaissance artists - even from Italy! You could pick a name out of these artists:

Artists from the Renaissance era include Sofonisba Anguissola, Lucia Anguissola, Lavinia Fontana, Fede Galizia, Diana Scultori Ghisi, Caterina van Hemessen, Esther Inglis, Barbara Longhi,[13] Maria Ormani,[14] Marietta Robusti (daughter of Tintoretto),[13] Properzia de' Rossi,[13] Plautilla Nelli, Levina Teerlinc, Mayken Verhulst, and St. Catherine of Bologna (Caterina dei Vigri).

Aside from Mayken, Caterina, Esther and Levina (those women were from the Netherlands - except for maybe Esther, who was possibly born in London) all those women were from modern day Italy - just like the male turtles' namesakes. Remember, Venus was brought in to be a core piece of the puzzle, so if you're gonna have a female Turtle, then why break the trend when there's enough names to choose from in the first place?

That said, gotta have the "Sofi(a)" nick if you go for Sofonisba.

2. Modify those mysticism powers. Either introduce a couple weaknesses, or have her personality interfere with them. Using Nick April as an example, it's kinda easy to have any psychic powers seem, if not skirt / cross the line into OP territory.

Also, having a science vs mysticism personality clash can be fun - but IMHO, it shouldn't be too serious (otherwise it gets into Unfortunate Implications territory) and this new "Venus" should cooperate with Don at least a couple times.

3. Don't fall into the trap of "female just for female's sake". Why was "Legend of Korra" a really succesful follow-up to "Avatar"? Because Korra wasn't straight up a female Aang - she was her own character, with her own positives, negatives and neuroses / habits.

I mean, look at MLP's Rarity too. Sure, she's on the outside a "stereotypically female" fashion designer, but she does it out of because it's her career - trying to reach her dream of success and fame - but also out of generosity. Of course, she's got other traits too, but that reinforces the idea that she's not just a fashion designer, she's her own multifaceted character who happens to be very feminine. Same should go with the new "Venus" - don't add feminine traits just because, add them because those could broaden the character and make her more multidimensional. If Raph can be head-first into battle at some moments and at others very supportive of his bros, why not?

So yeah... lets not do a Next Mutation if you're gonna include a "Venus" character.

[Prowler]

Shell-boobs might look unrealistic but I doubt most, if any, mutant species in the TMNT universe is anatomically correct drawn. So I can let shell-boobs slide.

[pferreira]

If you wanted to bring back Venus the only way to do it is not make her a Turtle but another mutant ally like Mona Lisa in the Fred Wolf cartoon. Making Venus the Turtles sister was one step too far.

[Krutch]

This popped up on my movie prop feed this morning. She's still around. Owner is trying to have her restored.

[GoldMutant]

Originally Posted by Krutch

This popped up on my movie prop feed this morning. She's still around. Owner is trying to have her restored.
http://i.imgur.com/Gjk2Tlt.jpg

Good Lord, it's like a beast came along or someone really didn't like her.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

ZOMBIE VENUS DE MILO!!!!!

Run for your lives!

[ProactiveMan]

OH MY GOOOODDDDD! She's risen from the grave and she's coming for all us haters. Peter Laird better bunker down; something tells me he’s first.

[Utrommaniac]

Oh...dear...this simply will not do. Truly undead as those said before



It was in this moment that I realized the "V" was quite a lot like the Roman numeral for the number five. And then I realized...that was probably why she was named that way. V=5 . Of course, other people have probably realized this over the years, but it just struck me.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Utrommaniac

Oh...dear...this simply will not do. Truly undead as those said before

http://az616578.vo.msecnd.net/files/...ers%20Inc..gif

It was in this moment that I realized the "V" was quite a lot like the Roman numeral for the number five. And then I realized...that was probably why she was named that way. V=5 . Of course, other people have probably realized this over the years, but it just struck me.

If it makes you feel less observant, you noticed before I did...

[Shark_Blade]

She looks like a typical case of domestic abuse.