Michael Keaton reveals why he turned down returning in Batman Forever, "It sucked"

[MikeandRaph87]

Of the 12 villains in Batman's rogues gallery, 4 of which have recieved multiple interpretation,not to mention the '66 film, whichbwas your overall favorite petformance (s )?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

Nolan had nothing to do with Batman V Superman that was all Zack Snyder.

Originally Posted by myconius

no one said he did.

Originally Posted by myconius

Nolan was only a producer involved with Man of Steel, not BvS.

Christopher Nolan was executive producer on BvS.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Vegita-san generally has no idea who makes what when it comes to movies/shows. Look at his rants about the Nick cartoon in the TMNT section, he does the same thing there all the time.

It's called an opinion, CC.

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

This old news. Keaton did not return because Burton was replaced due to the demand of a lighter film. Of all the Batman films the only one I out right dislike is Batman Returns. Why? It was trying to hard to be dark it fell on its face and was surreal and forced. Of all the Batman films my favorite one is Batman Forever. I admit it has its flaws such as the neon color, Riddler's stupid costume and red haired wig, and not digging deep enough in the psychology with Two Face or Bruce stating "I killed them". Dick Grayson and Riddler being present and a somehat serious/somewhat fun tone made it a film I could really enjoy. There is something wrong with all of the Batman films,but the one that caters to my interest the most is Batman Forever and Batman Returns the least.

Also, in regards to Two Face, Aaron Eckhart may have been a solid Harvey Dent,but you have to admit Two Face got ten minutes and didn't feel much like Two Face. Also, both films let out Glida Dent who is a part of Two Face's story.

I'd probably have to rewatch Returns again but it's weird to read that a lot of you guys prefer Forever over Returns, considering most people wanting Batman to be dark.

I honestly like Forever a lot but more than Returns, that's kind of a stretch. I do agree that Val Kilmer is a good Bruce Wayne.

While I do like Batfleck's overall design, I still don't see how anybody considers him the best Batman on film to date, when he has hardly done anything remotely what Batman does. BvS speaks for itself and you only get glimpses of it in Suicide Squad but not enough to sell me that this guy is Batman.

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by myconius

Nolan was only a producer involved with Man of Steel, not BvS.

yeah.. my mistake.i saw that as i read it back just now.

he was involved somehow, just forgot his exact role.

didn't mean to send cubed into a melt down... or did I?

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Favorite villain performance? Of the six films(I refuse to watch Dark Knight Rises, but I've seen clips- that was enough) I've seen so far, I'd have to go with Michelle's Catwoman for her dual-persona which was sympathetic and a bit perverse at turns, not to mention her vendetta against Shrek. Poison Ivy comes in third for pitting Bats against the Boy Wonder, with Jack's Joker possibly tying for first just because he's closest to my REAL fave Joker (Hammill!), and I'd probably put Ra's in between. I despise Heath's Joker, and none of the others really made much of an impression. Jim and Tommy were fun, but a little too over-the-top. Arnold and both Banes just sucked. Scarecrow was interesting, but it was hard to separate him from the "real" villain in that one. The Nolan movies' version of Two-Face was uninspired and underused. Penguin could have been great had they made him a little less gross, but at least he was interesting and had a decent motive.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

yeah.. my mistake.i saw that as i read it back just now.

he was involved somehow, just forgot his exact role.

Nolan was executive producer.

[raph27]

I didn't know people really disliked Returns until this thread. It's always been one of my favorite Batman movies. I think it's best that Keaton passed on it, a different Batman makes it easy for me to separate two different series (Batman and Batman Returns, then Forever and B&R.) The only thing carried over is Alfred.

[myconius]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

yeah.. my mistake.i saw that as i read it back just now.

he was involved somehow, just forgot his exact role.

didn't mean to send cubed into a melt down... or did I?

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Nolan was executive producer.

thanks for the clear-up Andrew.

i had absolutely NO idea Nolan had any involvement whatsoever with BvS.

hey, guess we learn something new every day?

but i still stand by my statement that i've enjoyed all of the Batman movies that have come out to some degree. and have had gripes (big or small) about all of them.

[ProactiveMan]

I love Batman Returns; it may be my favorite, but I know it's not everyone's cup of tea. I think it's the best written one by a country mile, and it has all of the cool design elements of the 89 Batman, but much more refined. It's my favorite Bat-suit too.

I used to think Batman Forever was OK - worse than the first two but a thousand times better than Batman & Robin, but the last time I watched it, I had to seriously reevaluate its Bat-ranking. Objectively, Batman & Robin is a worse movie; I'm not even sure if it is a movie - it's written like a cartoon, shot like a theme-park ride and staged and lit like Disney On Ice.

Batman & Robin is a total bucket of poo, but I find it enjoyable to watch. The hallucinogen fueled production design, Uma Thurman's bizarre Mae West impression, Arnold Schwarzenegger cracking the worst puns of his career with a blue light on the top of his head - it's entertaining.

Batman Forever on the other hand walks the line between the more serious melodrama that proceeded it and the five-alarm, neon, brain damaging fever dream that followed. It doesn't know what it's trying to be, and the result has aged about as well as a glass of warm milk of similar vintage.

I found it to be utterly cringe-worthy last time I watched it. On one hand you have Chris O'Donnell dealing with the untimely death of his entire family, and whatever psycho-sexual baloney is going on between Val Kilmer and Nicole Kidman, and on the other there's Jim Carey thrusting his pelvis, yelling "joy-gasm" and Tommy Lee Jones cackling away with half of Warwick Davis's leprechaun makeup stuck to his face.

[Vegita-San]

why do people hate #3 rises?

I liked it better than 2. if only cause i hated heath ledger as joker.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

And HE'S the reason I never saw that one. I can't say I hate Rises but I disliked his Joker so much I refused to go watch the third one.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by ProactiveMan

I love Batman Returns; it may be my favorite, but I know it's not everyone's cup of tea. I think it's the best written one by a country mile, and it has all of the cool design elements of the 89 Batman, but much more refined. It's my favorite Bat-suit too.

I used to think Batman Forever was OK - worse than the first two but a thousand times better than Batman & Robin, but the last time I watched it, I had to seriously reevaluate its Bat-ranking. Objectively, Batman & Robin is a worse movie; I'm not even sure if it is a movie - it's written like a cartoon, shot like a theme-park ride and staged and lit like Disney On Ice.

Batman & Robin is a total bucket of poo, but I find it enjoyable to watch. The hallucinogen fueled production design, Uma Thurman's bizarre Mae West impression, Arnold Schwarzenegger cracking the worst puns of his career with a blue light on the top of his head - it's entertaining.

Batman Forever on the other hand walks the line between the more serious melodrama that proceeded it and the five-alarm, neon, brain damaging fever dream that followed. It doesn't know what it's trying to be, and the result has aged about as well as a glass of warm milk of similar vintage.

I found it to be utterly cringe-worthy last time I watched it. On one hand you have Chris O'Donnell dealing with the untimely death of his entire family, and whatever psycho-sexual baloney is going on between Val Kilmer and Nicole Kidman, and on the other there's Jim Carey thrusting his pelvis, yelling "joy-gasm" and Tommy Lee Jones cackling away with half of Warwick Davis's leprechaun makeup stuck to his face.

I LOLed at all of this! Yup that about sums up both Forever AND B&R. Fun movies but good? Hardly. Like you, I still like Returns a lot though. Just seeing Michelle skip-roping through the store in that outfit and then telling the guards they are overpaid is reason enough for me to enjoy its dark humor and slightly psychotic edge. See, SHE had what Ledger SHOULD have had- a dark and slightly twisted sense of humor and a streak of vicious fun but tempered with some rationality that kept her from going completely into utter raving mad(wo)man territory like he did.