Next Mutation: was it really all bad? - Page 4

Lanagirl · 10-29-2003, 01:55 AM

I didn't like Shredder in the next mutation. He looked awful.
Poor shred. I also didn't like that Monkey.
Dragon lord and Wick-were very cool and funny
The hunter was also nice

Shellfox · 10-29-2003, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Lanagirl

I didn't like Shredder in the next mutation. He looked awful.
Poor shred.

he alos only had what 3-4 eps to his name, and the last was pretty cool. Being taken in by Splinter in the hopes of rehabiliting. Him using magic to steal the shuriken. Really wish they had gone furhter into the golden shuriken and battle magic

Misfit · 10-29-2003, 06:33 PM

I stumbled across Next Mutation around last year when I saw it in the FoxKids TV listings. When I discovered it was a new TMNT show, I just HAD to tune it.

The first episode I saw was East Meets West Part II since I didn't know about it until that day.

I sat through the whole thing and hated it. I was so sickened I had to instantly watch the 1st movie to try and erase the meomry of NM and remind myself how great the turtles really are, that NM was NOT the "real" TMNT.

Venus I loathe. She just wasn't funny and the show focused on her way too much. The whole fifth turtle/girl turtle thing relly offened me.

The costumes were shockingly awful, easily the worse TMNT costumes ever along with TMNT III. The bandana's were vile.

As for everything else, the stupid cartoon sound effects weren't needed, the villains were more cringeworthy than the Power Ranger ones, Shredder was a joke, the scripts were bad. And was it me or did the TMNTs act like sexist jerks around Venus, especially in the beginning? I hated that.

It's kind of sad because without Venus and Saban, a live action TMNT has the potentional to be good IMHO. They just need some respectable costumes, villians who can be taken seriously and even feared, good scripts and decent actors.

How big ws NM's budget anyway? It had the feel of a super cheap show.

~~Reznorite420~~ · 10-30-2003, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by NinjaGirl21

I that NM was NOT the "real" TMNT.

It's not TMNT, period

To me, TNM was about as worthy of being considered part of TMNT about as much as Army of Darkness is worthy of being part of Star Wars, heh.

**Karpo_007** · 10-30-2003, 10:37 AM

Old cartoon is a good example how to make TMNT for children, Next mutation is a bad one.

*Tetsu Deinonychus* · 10-30-2003, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Karpo_007

Old cartoon is a good example how to make TMNT for children, Next mutation is a bad one.

Agreed!

MW8979 · 10-30-2003, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Karpo_007

Old cartoon is a good example how to make TMNT for children, Next mutation is a bad one.

Very nicely put indeed.

Savanti Romero · 10-30-2003, 09:17 PM

Did Kevin Eastman have anything to do with creating the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles? Did he have anything to do with creating Ninja Turtles the Next Mutation? The answers to these questions alone tells me TNM should be considered by all a part of theTMNT.

The show could have been made better, yes. Many of the bad views of the shows are exaggerated though. To start out with their home was awsome. I have loved that old subway station since it appeared in The Secret of the Ooze. The costumes were good.

Dragon Lord is a very good idea. Dragons are mythical creatures from the past so it was cool to see them in todays world along with Ninjitsu.

The Mystical Realm, or whatever its called, is also a good idea. Again, it could have been better done or expanded upon.

The Hummer, to this day, is one of the best vehicles the TMNT have owned. Along side Raph's beautiful bike.

The idea that Raph's bandana was torn in places was also unique. The torn look gives Raph the alone feeling he supposed to have.

Venus would have been much better if her orgin story was different. If the Utroms would have come back to Earth and found the Ninja Turtles(originals) and tried an experiment on a new turtle with their ooze. Venus is then found by Splinter's friend some how and tought the arts. Only because Venus had to be there for Fox, should she have been there in the first place, but a new orgin story would have helped.

Shredder was poorly represented. Venus defeating him instead of the Turtles who have battled him all their lives? That was the major fault of the show I thought.

Splinter's costume needed a lot of work as well. (I did like him being grey though)

The fight scenes needed work as well. Cut the noises first, then have more realistic fighting (most any show for kids could use this, if only those naging parents would allow it,) and some New York scenery (Rooftops) could have helped as well.

*Bowser_Koopa* · 11-01-2003, 06:24 AM

look at this

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/B...VE_NT-TNM.html

**GK Punk** · 11-01-2003, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Savanti Romero

Did Kevin Eastman have anything to do with creating the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles? Did he have anything to do with creating Ninja Turtles the Next Mutation? The answers to these questions alone tells me TNM should be considered by all a part of theTMNT.

Considering Kevin Eastman no longer has anything to do with TMNT, and that Peter Laird erased TNM and Image From TMNT History, I'd say no. It isn't officially part of TMNT history anymore.

It's like when Glenn Jacobs played the Fake Diesel character. We are suppoused to pretend it never happened.

Savanti Romero · 11-01-2003, 12:35 PM

I will still honor Kevin Eastman with being one of the greatest contributors to the TMNT of all time. If my memory serves me correctly, he was The One who came up with "Ninja Turtles" and "Teenage Mutant" was added on to that. Besides that I really don't think TNM was that bad.

Savanti Romero · 11-01-2003, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser_Koopa

look at this

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/B...VE_NT-TNM.html

Thats a little crazy, but still is cool!

**GK Punk** · 11-01-2003, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Savanti Romero

I will still honor Kevin Eastman with being one of the greatest contributors to the TMNT of all time. If my memory serves me correctly, he was The One who came up with "Ninja Turtles" and "Teenage Mutant" was added on to that. Besides that I really don't think TNM was that bad.

SHHH!!

The universe may stop if we remember things that were erased from history!

/me is just being silly now

Misfit · 11-01-2003, 02:36 PM

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http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/B...VE_NT-TNM.html

Wow. That's, um...interesting. Yeah.

Misfit · 11-01-2003, 02:41 PM

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It isn't officially part of TMNT history anymore.

Thank the Lord! *does the happy dance*

~~Reznorite420~~ · 11-01-2003, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser_Koopa

look at this

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/B...VE_NT-TNM.html

Making sites like that should be punishable by life imprisonment at the very least

*Dane E5R* · 11-01-2003, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by grunger_kittie

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Originally Posted by Savanti Romero

I will still honor Kevin Eastman with being one of the greatest contributors to the TMNT of all time. If my memory serves me correctly, he was The One who came up with "Ninja Turtles" and "Teenage Mutant" was added on to that. Besides that I really don't think TNM was that bad.

SHHH!!

The universe may stop if we remember things that were erased from history!

/me is just being silly now

I realize you're just bein' silly dude, but Eastman simply can not be forgotten, whether Laird wants it or not. If it weren't for him, there wouldn't have been any TMNT at all. The idea came from his original sketch. Plus, c'mon.. We ALL love his edgy side of the TMNT. Don't we? DON'T WE?

**Karpo_007** · 11-01-2003, 04:48 PM

Laird has never tried to "hide" Eastman's influence over the TMNT. Hell, Eastman's name is all over the official site. And if by Eastman's edgy you mean something like the Bodycount, I'm not a fan. But his work with Laird on volume 1 will probably remain the best TMNT stories ever.

*heretic888* · 11-01-2003, 07:00 PM

Unlike the Next Mutation show, the Image comics' run on the TMNT was actually pretty good. Hey, its wasn't Mirage... but, seriously, what is??

The Image run ultimately failed for a number of reason, mostly because of the subpar artwork past the first storyarch (the first five issues actually had pretty good art). Another major problem was Larsen's lack of commitment to the series (one issue every 2 to 3 months, with no real stability on dates, was a serious detriment), despite his claims to the contrary.

Oh well, it was fun while it lasted, but I'm glad its no longer part of "official" TMNT history... the Mirage take should be an entity all its own.

**Kali** · 11-01-2003, 07:32 PM

Eh, I like to think of Image and TNM as "professional fan fiction".

10-29-2003, 01:55 AM	#61
Lanagirl Hench Mutant Join Date: May 2002 Location: Friends are not sent here Posts: 346	I didn't like Shredder in the next mutation. He looked awful. Poor shred. I also didn't like that Monkey. Dragon lord and Wick-were very cool and funny The hunter was also nice __________________ DEATH IN DAYS PAST FORGIVEN BY THE GREATEST EVIL TOUCHED ONE HEART AND THROUGH BORN LOVE

10-30-2003, 09:17 PM	#68
Savanti Romero Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 600	Did Kevin Eastman have anything to do with creating the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles? Did he have anything to do with creating Ninja Turtles the Next Mutation? The answers to these questions alone tells me TNM should be considered by all a part of theTMNT. The show could have been made better, yes. Many of the bad views of the shows are exaggerated though. To start out with their home was awsome. I have loved that old subway station since it appeared in The Secret of the Ooze. The costumes were good. Dragon Lord is a very good idea. Dragons are mythical creatures from the past so it was cool to see them in todays world along with Ninjitsu. The Mystical Realm, or whatever its called, is also a good idea. Again, it could have been better done or expanded upon. The Hummer, to this day, is one of the best vehicles the TMNT have owned. Along side Raph's beautiful bike. The idea that Raph's bandana was torn in places was also unique. The torn look gives Raph the alone feeling he supposed to have. Venus would have been much better if her orgin story was different. If the Utroms would have come back to Earth and found the Ninja Turtles(originals) and tried an experiment on a new turtle with their ooze. Venus is then found by Splinter's friend some how and tought the arts. Only because Venus had to be there for Fox, should she have been there in the first place, but a new orgin story would have helped. Shredder was poorly represented. Venus defeating him instead of the Turtles who have battled him all their lives? That was the major fault of the show I thought. Splinter's costume needed a lot of work as well. (I did like him being grey though) The fight scenes needed work as well. Cut the noises first, then have more realistic fighting (most any show for kids could use this, if only those naging parents would allow it,) and some New York scenery (Rooftops) could have helped as well. __________________ "The sceptor has returned at last; and it's all mine!" -Savanti Romero, Vol. 1 issue 47 1992 AKA: [email protected] utromheadquarters.0catch.com

11-01-2003, 12:35 PM	#71
Savanti Romero Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 600	I will still honor Kevin Eastman with being one of the greatest contributors to the TMNT of all time. If my memory serves me correctly, he was The One who came up with "Ninja Turtles" and "Teenage Mutant" was added on to that. Besides that I really don't think TNM was that bad. __________________ "The sceptor has returned at last; and it's all mine!" -Savanti Romero, Vol. 1 issue 47 1992 AKA: [email protected] utromheadquarters.0catch.com

11-01-2003, 07:00 PM	#79
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	hmm Unlike the Next Mutation show, the Image comics' run on the TMNT was actually pretty good. Hey, its wasn't Mirage... but, seriously, what is?? The Image run ultimately failed for a number of reason, mostly because of the subpar artwork past the first storyarch (the first five issues actually had pretty good art). Another major problem was Larsen's lack of commitment to the series (one issue every 2 to 3 months, with no real stability on dates, was a serious detriment), despite his claims to the contrary. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted, but I'm glad its no longer part of "official" TMNT history... the Mirage take should be an entity all its own. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

10-29-2003, 06:33 PM	#63
Misfit Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2003 Location: UK Posts: 508	I stumbled across Next Mutation around last year when I saw it in the FoxKids TV listings. When I discovered it was a new TMNT show, I just HAD to tune it. The first episode I saw was East Meets West Part II since I didn't know about it until that day. I sat through the whole thing and hated it. I was so sickened I had to instantly watch the 1st movie to try and erase the meomry of NM and remind myself how great the turtles really are, that NM was NOT the "real" TMNT. Venus I loathe. She just wasn't funny and the show focused on her way too much. The whole fifth turtle/girl turtle thing relly offened me. The costumes were shockingly awful, easily the worse TMNT costumes ever along with TMNT III. The bandana's were vile. As for everything else, the stupid cartoon sound effects weren't needed, the villains were more cringeworthy than the Power Ranger ones, Shredder was a joke, the scripts were bad. And was it me or did the TMNTs act like sexist jerks around Venus, especially in the beginning? I hated that. It's kind of sad because without Venus and Saban, a live action TMNT has the potentional to be good IMHO. They just need some respectable costumes, villians who can be taken seriously and even feared, good scripts and decent actors. How big ws NM's budget anyway? It had the feel of a super cheap show.

10-30-2003, 10:37 AM	#65
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Old cartoon is a good example how to make TMNT for children, Next mutation is a bad one.

11-01-2003, 06:24 AM	#69
Bowser_Koopa Very yes Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Not so far, go back a little Posts: 1,849	look at this http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/B...VE_NT-TNM.html

11-01-2003, 04:48 PM	#78
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Laird has never tried to "hide" Eastman's influence over the TMNT. Hell, Eastman's name is all over the official site. And if by Eastman's edgy you mean something like the Bodycount, I'm not a fan. But his work with Laird on volume 1 will probably remain the best TMNT stories ever.

11-01-2003, 07:32 PM	#80
Kali Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California! Posts: 11,101	Eh, I like to think of Image and TNM as "professional fan fiction".