Bebop, Rocksteady and Venus.

[DrSpengler]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Because that's how they were meant to be shown before the show got too kiddyish and stupid? Remember the first 5 eps?

They were still pretty stupid in the miniseries. As I recal on their very first appearance they ran into eachother and knocked themselves unconscious. Then they were stupid enough to get trapped in a cage, buried in cement and so forth.

They were always bumbling idiots, even before subsequent seasons made them mildly retarded.

[cqb101]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Because that's how they were meant to be shown before the show got too kiddyish and stupid? Remember the first 5 eps?

It doesn't matter. People liked B+R, because of their stupidity. That's who they were. If they're not the stupid B+R, then they're not B+R.

[raphael90]

Gotta love Bebop and Rocksteady. The first episode was so cool, I wish the others could have stayed like that. Back then, Bebop and Rocksteady were of course still dumb but they had a meaner streak to them, i.e. the time they attacked the Turtles and Splinter in "Shredder is Splintered". It's such a shame all the eps after the first five eps, it went downhill, kinda dragging Bebop and Rocksteady to idiot goons who can't do anything right. I still enjoy them though.

[FALLEN ELDOR]

They can be half ton thugs with low intelligence and not be bumbling.
"These are the two most ruthless and viscous animals you could find?"
Shredder asked Tatsu in the second film, I can see him asking Hun the same question in reference to the Purple Dragons...
Just because they are stupid doesn't make them formidable foes.
The only way the turtles could defeat them is by out smarting them.
The key is making them stupid street thugs but not bumbling retards like Pinky from Pinky and the Brain. Your not reinventing the wheel, Bebop and Rocksteady would still be Bebop and Rocksteady, they would just be the wheel with snow tires and a new hub cap! But some stubborn folks just refuse to admit it!


As for Venus, when you strip it down to the base concept she is a mysterious Female turtle who is a mystic and foreign to American culture...Not a bad concept, unfortunately people let a sub-par origin and a single season black list her. Make her a Truly mysteries origin, so much so that even she doesn't know. Use her sparingly, and only when needed, make her a shadow figure. Sometimes when carving a wheel out of stone you get some imperfections because of the quality of the stone. The trick is to learn your mistakes on the first stone, find a better stone, and shape a better wheel.

Originally Posted by unix_based_punk

I'd hate to say it, but the Mirage universe and the Archie universe aren't the same. And while I've never watched the Mirage cartoons, I think it would be unfair to Mirage fans to incorporate Archie characters into the new cartoon. I liked Rocksteady, Beebop and loved Krang. And I think it would rock to see them again, but the original story does deserve its due and time in the spot light.

Please tell me more about this.

This ain't the original comic! its a cartoon based on and influenced by the original comic, and to say it is only based on the comics is wrong! There are influences from the cartoon with Shredder being a criminal Utrom, a concept obviously based on Krnag (who was based on the Utroms) Not to mention personalities of the turtles, more in line with the original movie then the comics...And the original movie was a marriage between the comics and the cartoon. Then of course we have the plethora of new stuff originating from the series, things like Splinters ass kicking ability, and characters like Hun...To not take from other concepts that originated from other canons (film, cartoon or other) is just hypocritical...

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by DrSpengler

They were still pretty stupid in the miniseries. As I recal on their very first appearance they ran into eachother and knocked themselves unconscious. Then they were stupid enough to get trapped in a cage, buried in cement and so forth.

They were always bumbling idiots, even before subsequent seasons made them mildly retarded.

In the neautrinos ep they had rocksteady choke-throw Leonardo so hard he lost his swords when he hit the ground. In the shredder is splinter ep bebop was choking splinter until he was hit by a dumpster. In the later seasons they can't even take 2 steps forward to attack the tmnt without slipping on a banana peel or something.

[DrSpengler]

[quote=Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by "DrSpenglerThey were still pretty stupid in the miniseries. As I recal on their very first appearance they ran into eachother and knocked themselves unconscious. Then they were stupid enough to get trapped in a cage, buried in cement and so forth.

They were always bumbling idiots, even before subsequent seasons made them mildly retarded.[/quote

In the neautrinos ep they had rocksteady choke-throw Leonardo so hard he lost his swords when he hit the ground. In the shredder is splinter ep bebop was choking splinter until he was hit by a dumpster. In the later seasons they can't even take 2 steps forward to attack the tmnt without slipping on a banana peel or something.

True. No doubt about it, they were smarter in the miniseries and by far more violent ("We don't like rats in our fair city, so hows about I ring your stinken neck!?"). They were still idiots, though.

Despite what Laird had to say, I still think they could work as a cameo villain in an episode of the new series, if only for a comedy episode. But given Laird's opinnion on the matter, and his stubborness, hoping that they show up is out of the question.