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12-12-2005, 09:10 PM
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Makes me wonder how Hamoto Yoshi reacted when he first met the Ancient One. And how he would have to get use to the Ancient One's habit of "Air".
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12-12-2005, 09:55 PM
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The Ep was kind of surreal first Leo screams and wounds master splinter and then Splinter tells him to leave to Japan basically he got the boot.
Then even tho he made good points the hole farting situation made it hard to take it serious plus Leo being called a baby poppy face several times  Lets see what happens after this one.....
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12-14-2005, 04:51 AM
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Hi everyone, I'm new here, though I have read the forums for some time.
I saw that everyone shared their impressions of the episode, so I decided to point out a few things that no one seems to notice. First, I'll say that I didn't like this episode. It didn't fit the general plot well and for the most part, the scenes looked like they're made only to take time. Now, to the beginning of the episode, when Leo cut Splinter... We've seen Splinter dodge impossible situations before, block powerful blows, catch arrows in the air and so on. We've also seen him disarm Leo with almost no effort using his walking stick (if I recall correctly that was in the episode when the Turtles were arguing which weapon is better, I think in season 1). Of course, Leo is growing up and getting better, but how much better can he be? Also, let's not forget that Splinter is an ex-Battle Nexus Champion. And now he gets disarmed twice and very easily by his student, and doesn't even try to dodge Leo's blow when he cut him? In the previous episode, when Usagi was sparring with Leo, the bunny seemed to dodge/block Leo's attacks pretty easily, I doubt Usagi is better than Splinter... Also, I really think this should have been the moment when Raph finally jumps on Leo. I've been waiting to see a real fight between them for a long time. Instead, Raph just calls him hothead. That's not Raph. He goes all mad when Leo damaged his punchbag, but he does nothing when Leo cuts his sensei? Since when Japan is on another planet? How come we never saw people there, except for the farting Ancient One? I understand that Leo was trying to avoid big cities, but still, Japan is pretty crowded, we should have seen at least some people. Instead we got Yeties and Ghosts... Speaking of Yeties, what exactly were they doing there? They seemed totally unrelated to the plot to me, like placeholders or something. And, the lesson they taught Leo was lame. "He who attacks in anger falls"... Ok, Leo defeated his sensei in the beginning and he was fighting with anger. Leo defeated that "Bebop" assassin in the previous episode (one of the most skilled assassins in his world) and he was fighting with anger. He was fighting with anger in other occasions too (Hun, Elite Guard etc.) and he always won. Suddenly, Leo is useless against those two only because he's angry? It seems to me that Leo must be even stronger in his anger if he managed to defeat Splinter... The other things were nice, I liked the symbolism in the demons and the rock monster, I loved the scenery and the acting, but the sparring, Japan and the Yeties ruined it for me. |
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12-14-2005, 12:58 PM
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I think that the Yetis served the secondary purpose of reminding Leo that just because he is no longer a "baby" doesn't mean he has outgrown the basic lessons of his training. Forgetting the simple lessons, such as the value of simply keeping your frustrations in check, renders Leo's "grown up" (more advanced) training and wisdom useless. Leo knew the don't-let-anger-lead-your-actions lesson... it had been part of his overall attitude when he was "naive", but he chose at this point to ignore it. Perhaps Leo had decided that he was successful enough without it... and he could sometimes, when he face obstacles that he could blindly beat down in a fit of rage. But if Leo felt that he had outgrown Splinter's teachings and no longer needed to abide by them, the Yetis gave him a chiding reminder. Speaking of Splinter... there's no doubt that he could have prevented Leo from striking him. However, I choose to go with a tiny leap of faith, and accept that Splinter's mastery let him the control the degree of the opening Leo got. IMO, it was probably a test to see how far Leo would go. Leo failed with flying colors. Hmm... Raphael's reaction? I didn't see this part, but here's my two cents anyway. In Raph's place, I would have been greatly disturbed by my brother's actions. I think Raph (and the rest of them) were too stunned and worried for their normally self-possessed brother to react any other way. Anger would have been secondary. Plus Splinter-sama was right there, and I'm sure they were waiting for his reaction. They know as well as we do that Splinter can take care of himself.
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12-14-2005, 09:24 PM
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You know, it finally occurred to me what made the landscape of the Ancient One's domain so different!
I always thought the backgrounds in this show were unusual... they're drawings, with the colors very simplified, and everything is outlined in ink, to the point where the background almost looks like a cel in itself. Traditionally, in other shows, backgrounds are painted, so they'll have more complicated shade and shadow than the figures that occupy the space. But I finally noticed that, for the most part, the backgrounds in the fantasy landscape are painted! There are some that are still pretty simple in palette, but even they have a much more subtle color blending going on. All the ones in the "real world" have the usual harsh style. Here's an example: first, a couple of random shots from other eps:   And then one in the Ancient One's home. Notice the bag hanging behind Leo, compared to the one in the Turtles' lair, then notice the planks in the ceiling compared to the pic from the Daimyo's palace. Lots more detail, subtle colors... dreamlike, compared to the usual stuff in the show. Even the Battle Nexus didn't look like that. I dunno why they decided to make this place so different, but I like it. Any thoughts?  Quote:
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12-14-2005, 09:43 PM
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I too am beginning to think Splinter did this all on purpose--he had to know how far Leo would go with his uncontrolled anger.
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12-14-2005, 10:01 PM
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Very interesting pick up Aska. Your detail for animation is far greater than mine.
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12-14-2005, 10:55 PM
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 Not that "weird" is anything new for this family. I do also find the idea that it was an accident... that Splinter, in his anxiety, had dropped his guard at the same time that Leo surprised them both... to be just as satisfactory. I immediately noticed the gorgeous watercolor backgrounds in the, um... "realm" of the Ancient One. Very few hard lines... lovingly done highlighting (it was glowy there) and washed colors. I'm really a sucker for that style, but the story was absorbing enough that I forgot about it... which is how it should be. But I like the regular backgrounds as well because of the way the animation blends in. Breaks the illusion for me if the animation clashes. The regular backgrounds are also beautiful to me.
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12-14-2005, 11:40 PM
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Looks like the backround in the Ancient One's lair is 3-D to me O_O
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12-15-2005, 12:57 AM
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I agree...the landscape is quite beautiful. However I DID notice something. In the following image if you look real closely you can almost see Littlefoot or maybe even Ducky.
 Seriously thanks now I know where the great valley is...and here I thought it was Zion National Park in Utah when all along it was Japan just right after the snow monkeys er I mean Yeti's.   Would have been funny to see a cameo at least by a certain spike tail who's voiced by Rob Paulsen.
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The comedy was really tasteless this week. It's kind of a shame, because I usually praise the show for its comedy. Anyway, it was good character development at least. It was cool to see Leo get through his inner struggle.
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Okay, remember when Leo asks Ancient One, "What makes you think you're so worthy?" The Ancient One responds, "This" and lets loose a big one. That symbolizes that he's not afraid to let go of inner burdens even if it hurts his ego. Dignity and intimidation isn't the first thing on his mind, unlike Leo. That, if anything, is the joke/pun in the situation, not the individual disgusting liquid farts. These symbolize how put off Leo is by the notion of surrendering, of letting go of these burdens he chooses to carry. It's disgusting and childish, to him--as he first sees the Ancient One. Ehhhnghh... I don't think I want to have to defend this decision to make Ancient One... that way. It bothers me that so many of you don't see the rather obvious reason for this. Just go back and read the other posts. Haha. About the landscapes--didn't you guys think that when Leo and Ancient One were at the campfire, the surrounding landscape looked a lot like Monument Valley? (used in a bunch of westerns) Deserts, in mythology, are often places of spiritual confrontation and epic battles. Eg. Jesus in the desert, Israelites wandering in the desert, Western heroes coming out of and disappearing into the desert, Star Wars... And there are many more examplesn I can't think of.
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As for my comments to the episode. If that was "Leo's cure" then I'm highly disappointed. I mean, a cruise and "I'm my own worst enemy" doesn't solve anything. That's no cure, that's the first step towards it.
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