I guess there's no stopping it... - Page 5

~~Leo656~~ · 03-25-2003, 08:49 PM

Axl is the smartest man in history.

~~Tokka-B~~ · 03-25-2003, 08:59 PM

Axl?

And what do you mean by smartest?

**Barkworm** · 03-26-2003, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Tokka

Yea, I'd say Bush is more like Hitler.

He attacks a country that hasn't done anything to us, Iraq didn't do 9/11 a terrorist did, if Mcveigh when to Romania and killed thousands, would they then blame it on us, the common citizen?

You could say Bush tortures his own people without a good economy, so many people are becoming homeless and not cared for that we have to go worry about another country that can be dealt with by there own people...Bush lowers the taxes to feed the rich in hopes of them spending the money, who is he kidding? I'd take Roosevelt's New Deal anytime now...sheesh Bush has the death penalty in Texas, thus killing thousands of people, if that isn't torture, I don't know what is...

Don't tell me you didn't think he would set the oil wells on fire when we are attacking his country for no reason...that is like saying he won't use wmds sometime soon, it isn't a question about whetther he has them or not anymore, it is a question of how to deal with it. I can not stress this anymore, the end does not justify the means....just cause you have a knife in your house, doesn't mean I should attack you because I think you will use it on me...

Saddam is evil. I've never said he isn't. He does horrible things. But by lowering ourselves to his level we become just like him. We're now on his level...not above it like we could be. "When slaying monsters one must be careful not to become one in the process." Peaceful ends through peaceful means...that's the only way the human race will avoid its own destruction. We didn't try all that hard to end things peacefully...war should only come as a last ditch effort when it is FORCED upon a nation. Defending our own nation from our own soil would be an example. Going to another nation, invading it, conquering it, and occupying shows that we were the aggressors and chose to bring war. That is morally bankrupt and wrong.

Friendly fire has been too common in this war, and we have lost many lives so far, too many already and we haven't reached baghdad yet. Neither have we captured any of Saddam's regime, but so quickly do we forget what the main task is, I doubt our regime will even give him a try at court if we even catch him, not wanting to here a thought out speech and such, of course we are known to take away things when we don't like them, such as innocent until proven guilty...

During a war, it should be normal that at least 90% of the population of your OWN country is with you, when it gets down to 70, then you know you aren't listening to the american people and others around the world and it is just pathetic and pure ignorance.

I really wouldn't be surprised if Bush gets impeached, being a war criminal it is almost inevitable.

BTW, sorry Don for not being here earlier, a sudden wave of pro-war comments was too quick for me, lol..

I think Tokka is totally right. Bush is such a hypocrite. Every time I see this moron on TV he talks about liberating Iraq, but is anyone, ANYONE that naive to think that he would attack Iraq, if its oil ressources weren't that big? It's not just that there is a war, it's also how this war started.
-A lot of actors are against war. What happens? The American government appeals to the people to BOYCOTT their movies. Well, just another kind od dictator-ship...
-France is courageous enough (yes courageous) to refuse to join in this war. So French Fries must be renamed to "Freedom Fries"! That's just sooooo cool! Where are we, kindergarten (or should I say "Freedom Garden"

)???
-The USA won't listen to UNO? So what's the reason of having the UNO?
All this things are just ridiculous...

One Radical Dude · 03-26-2003, 02:05 AM

The "Freedom Fries" thing is only at that one restaurant. And remember, there were name changes of foods back during World War I and II.

Again, France is every loyal is very loyal to Saddam Hussein. The same goes with Russia, China, and Germany.

Sorry, if GWB was like Hitler, he would be torturing people. If you say that Bush is like Hitler, then you should say that Clinton is also a "Hitler", as well. He attacked Kosovo, Haiti, and I didn't see a whole lot of peaceniks back at that time.

**Barkworm** · 03-26-2003, 02:11 AM

For me GWB is one of the most disgusting living beings on Earth, but I agree that except Mao Zedong and Stalin noone can be compared to Hitler.

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And remember, there were name changes of foods back during World War I and II.

True, but shouldn't mankind be wiser now???

*That Matt Guy* · 03-26-2003, 02:59 AM

Well I too have mixed feelings about this war now, if Saddam had all of these chemical weapons that Bush claims he does; don't you think Saddam would have tried to use them on us by now? It seems the only weapons the Iraqis have are vintage Soviet era rifles and anti-tank rockets. But let me ask this, how many of you would be surprised if the Iraqis used chemical or biological weapons on the US and British forces?

One Radical Dude · 03-26-2003, 03:17 AM

Well, we've already seen the Iraqi forces use weapons that they supposedly did NOT have. There was one more thing that I forgot to mention, and that's the West Nile virus. I'm not saying that this is a fact, but I did hear that the virus somehow came from Saddam. If so, then this definitely means that they have those chemicals.

As for biological weapons on the U.S. and British forces, I wouldn't be that surprised. Anything goes during a war. Despite what has happened, my opinion on war has NOT changed.

One Radical Dude · 03-26-2003, 03:24 AM

And if these peaceniks want peace, they (a lot of them) need to do a peaceful protest, not act violent. I've seen a lot of flag burnings, poster burns, rock throwing, trashing up places, and even throwing chairs around (that happened in Sydney, Australia)! That kind of crap makes me wanna vomit.

*That Matt Guy* · 03-26-2003, 03:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by One Radical Dude

Well, we've already seen the Iraqi forces use weapons that they supposedly did NOT have. There was one more thing that I forgot to mention, and that's the West Nile virus. I'm not saying that this is a fact, but I did hear that the virus somehow came from Saddam. If so, then this definitely means that they have those chemicals.

Yeah Saddam has a few Scud missiles, but that is nothing to start a full scale war over, and those Scuds aren't even that powerful compared to what we have. But what do I know, Saddam might be saving the worst for last; and I wonder how many civilians will be killed if the Iraqis use chemical or biological weapons. I have heard that West Nile thoery before, I am not sure if it is true either.

*That Matt Guy* · 03-26-2003, 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by One Radical Dude

And if these peaceniks want peace, they (a lot of them) need to do a peaceful protest, not act violent. I've seen a lot of flag burnings, poster burns, rock throwing, trashing up places, and even throwing chairs around (that happened in Sydney, Australia)! That kind of crap makes me wanna vomit.

I agree with you on that, I don't think a lot of these peace protesters give a crap about Iraq; I think a lot of them just hate Bush and the military.

**Barkworm** · 03-26-2003, 03:36 AM

It's just sad when some idiots use violence to show how much they dislike war.

*heretic888* · 03-26-2003, 11:18 AM

All i have seen so far.... in the war, in the terrorist attacks, and in the 'peace' protests are one consciousness block going jihad on the others. the egocentric/tribal terrorists like Osama and Hussein use their visciousness and power to rape and pillage whoever they can. The conservative/absolutistics like Bush and the majority of the Republican party go around preaching about this 'axis of evil' and push their concrete-literal values on others. The rational-egoic materialists (whom comprise a fair share of both the Republican and Democrat sides) only care about the hit in the economy and are concerned with increasing their capitalistic horizons. The overly-idealistic green-liberals (largely Democrats and Liberterians) want peace and dialogue and arrogantly/agressively pushing their values on others in the crusade for 'sensitivity' and 'political correctness'.

All of these 'consciousness blocks' have something worth saying, but they all have messy baggage they need to jettison. No matter what you think, only Order-types like Bush and the Republicans can deal with the tribal atrocities of the terrorists and dicators. The green liberals have nothing to do here. All the peace talking, dialoguing, linking, and sharing in the world is not going to stop the Hitlers and Osamas and Saddams of the world. Of course, these 'truth and order' conservatives have a lot of that fundamentalist ******** that needs to be jettisoned. The green liberals, likewise, have a lot worth saying: human rights, feminism, ecologic awareness, animal rights, and so on..... but they need to get rid of this politically correct inanity that plagues their movements.

What I haven't seen so far is a truly integral approach to situation. And I doubt I will. Its a sure bet the conservatives will go on a talking about evil this and that, and the materialists will go on worrying about the stock market and oil, and the sensitive liberterians will go on worrying about not 'offending' anybody. Each as exclusive and imperialistic as the other.

~~Tokka-B~~ · 03-26-2003, 07:30 PM

Well, as much as we would like this country to be more of a whole instead of seperate divisions, (indivisible?) the beauty of it is the fact that we all have several different opinions about this war and that there is a whole spectrum there instead of one idea, unfortunately only one idea will be used in the end, but I think we should start having each "division" cooperate with one another and talk it out to make a good decision inclusively, and add several scents of global opinion as well to make the decision accurate. To stretch this out more in my opinion, I think we should just become more a part of the international community and be a part of the world court and such as well as accept treaties and codes.

On another note, I was amused to see on AOL when I signed on.....BAM, there is a story about how Saddam's phone is tapped or whatever and other stuff that may be rumors, but if they were true, now Saddam knows it, lol...They do this on the news stations too, they give each specific plan of attack and how they will do it with what weapons, when, where, everything...sheesh

I just hope this doesn't turn into Vietnam in the sense that they will lie about our deaths and reassure us the war will be over soon if it won't and that they are losing a lot but don't mention us. That was a big problem then, see Apocalypse Now to know what I am talking about.

*heretic888* · 03-27-2003, 09:59 AM

I wasn't referring to a uniform, monolithic creed here when i said 'integral'. Rather, I was hoping for a more unified vision that takes ALL of these 'consciousness blocks' into account in a more 'holistic' scope. A 'big picture', if you will.... I will clarify this later.

~~Reznorite420~~ · 03-27-2003, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by heretic888

(That uber-long post)

Wow...I didn't realize I wasn't the only one that thought the way you did.

And another surprising thing: 5 pages...I didn't expect this thread to survive locking past 2 or 3.

*heretic888* · 03-27-2003, 11:07 AM

well, I'm plannin' on starting up another thread clarifying this 'integral theory' which, admittedly, is heavily based on the more recent writings of Ken Wilber (as well as quite a few other theorists).....

03-26-2003, 02:05 AM	#84
One Radical Dude Hench Mutant Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Central/SW AR, USA Posts: 495	The "Freedom Fries" thing is only at that one restaurant. And remember, there were name changes of foods back during World War I and II. Again, France is every loyal is very loyal to Saddam Hussein. The same goes with Russia, China, and Germany. Sorry, if GWB was like Hitler, he would be torturing people. If you say that Bush is like Hitler, then you should say that Clinton is also a "Hitler", as well. He attacked Kosovo, Haiti, and I didn't see a whole lot of peaceniks back at that time. __________________

03-26-2003, 03:17 AM	#87
One Radical Dude Hench Mutant Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Central/SW AR, USA Posts: 495	Well, we've already seen the Iraqi forces use weapons that they supposedly did NOT have. There was one more thing that I forgot to mention, and that's the West Nile virus. I'm not saying that this is a fact, but I did hear that the virus somehow came from Saddam. If so, then this definitely means that they have those chemicals. As for biological weapons on the U.S. and British forces, I wouldn't be that surprised. Anything goes during a war. Despite what has happened, my opinion on war has NOT changed. __________________

03-26-2003, 03:24 AM	#88
One Radical Dude Hench Mutant Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Central/SW AR, USA Posts: 495	And if these peaceniks want peace, they (a lot of them) need to do a peaceful protest, not act violent. I've seen a lot of flag burnings, poster burns, rock throwing, trashing up places, and even throwing chairs around (that happened in Sydney, Australia)! That kind of crap makes me wanna vomit. __________________

03-26-2003, 03:36 AM	#91
Barkworm Draconian leftist ruler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 6,752	It's just sad when some idiots use violence to show how much they dislike war. __________________ Make ****, not kill!

03-26-2003, 11:18 AM	#92
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	hmmmm All i have seen so far.... in the war, in the terrorist attacks, and in the 'peace' protests are one consciousness block going jihad on the others. the egocentric/tribal terrorists like Osama and Hussein use their visciousness and power to rape and pillage whoever they can. The conservative/absolutistics like Bush and the majority of the Republican party go around preaching about this 'axis of evil' and push their concrete-literal values on others. The rational-egoic materialists (whom comprise a fair share of both the Republican and Democrat sides) only care about the hit in the economy and are concerned with increasing their capitalistic horizons. The overly-idealistic green-liberals (largely Democrats and Liberterians) want peace and dialogue and arrogantly/agressively pushing their values on others in the crusade for 'sensitivity' and 'political correctness'. All of these 'consciousness blocks' have something worth saying, but they all have messy baggage they need to jettison. No matter what you think, only Order-types like Bush and the Republicans can deal with the tribal atrocities of the terrorists and dicators. The green liberals have nothing to do here. All the peace talking, dialoguing, linking, and sharing in the world is not going to stop the Hitlers and Osamas and Saddams of the world. Of course, these 'truth and order' conservatives have a lot of that fundamentalist ******** that needs to be jettisoned. The green liberals, likewise, have a lot worth saying: human rights, feminism, ecologic awareness, animal rights, and so on..... but they need to get rid of this politically correct inanity that plagues their movements. What I haven't seen so far is a truly integral approach to situation. And I doubt I will. Its a sure bet the conservatives will go on a talking about evil this and that, and the materialists will go on worrying about the stock market and oil, and the sensitive liberterians will go on worrying about not 'offending' anybody. Each as exclusive and imperialistic as the other. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

03-25-2003, 08:49 PM	#81
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Axl is the smartest man in history.

03-25-2003, 08:59 PM	#82
~~Tokka-B~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Lost Sewer Posts: 1,829	Axl? And what do you mean by smartest?

03-26-2003, 02:59 AM	#86
That Matt Guy Honey Bunches Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lone Star State Posts: 5,840	Well I too have mixed feelings about this war now, if Saddam had all of these chemical weapons that Bush claims he does; don't you think Saddam would have tried to use them on us by now? It seems the only weapons the Iraqis have are vintage Soviet era rifles and anti-tank rockets. But let me ask this, how many of you would be surprised if the Iraqis used chemical or biological weapons on the US and British forces?

03-26-2003, 07:30 PM	#93
~~Tokka-B~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Lost Sewer Posts: 1,829	Well, as much as we would like this country to be more of a whole instead of seperate divisions, (indivisible?) the beauty of it is the fact that we all have several different opinions about this war and that there is a whole spectrum there instead of one idea, unfortunately only one idea will be used in the end, but I think we should start having each "division" cooperate with one another and talk it out to make a good decision inclusively, and add several scents of global opinion as well to make the decision accurate. To stretch this out more in my opinion, I think we should just become more a part of the international community and be a part of the world court and such as well as accept treaties and codes. On another note, I was amused to see on AOL when I signed on.....BAM, there is a story about how Saddam's phone is tapped or whatever and other stuff that may be rumors, but if they were true, now Saddam knows it, lol...They do this on the news stations too, they give each specific plan of attack and how they will do it with what weapons, when, where, everything...sheesh I just hope this doesn't turn into Vietnam in the sense that they will lie about our deaths and reassure us the war will be over soon if it won't and that they are losing a lot but don't mention us. That was a big problem then, see Apocalypse Now to know what I am talking about.

03-27-2003, 09:59 AM	#94
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	hmmm I wasn't referring to a uniform, monolithic creed here when i said 'integral'. Rather, I was hoping for a more unified vision that takes ALL of these 'consciousness blocks' into account in a more 'holistic' scope. A 'big picture', if you will.... I will clarify this later. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

03-27-2003, 11:07 AM	#96
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	hee well, I'm plannin' on starting up another thread clarifying this 'integral theory' which, admittedly, is heavily based on the more recent writings of Ken Wilber (as well as quite a few other theorists)..... __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)