Star Wars: Episode IX

[Turo602]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Yeah, no relation to Kylo.

Are we sure about that though? Isn't it hinted that Palpatine created Anakin? Or at least that was the original direction Lucas wanted to go, which would have been a great thing to confirm in this film if Disney didn't think the prequels were so yucky.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Turo602

Are we sure about that though? Isn't it hinted that Palpatine created Anakin? Or at least that was the original direction Lucas wanted to go, which would have been a great thing to confirm in this film if Disney didn't think the prequels were so yucky.

Definitely. Though it's a little nebulous as to who created Anakin. Was it Palpatine? Was it Plageuis? Together, maybe? But either way, it wasn't via the old "in out, in out," as the Clockwork would say.

[Leo656]

I swear it wasn't even that long ago that a bunch of articles came out stating that one of the newer comics or novels definitively stated that Palpatine manipulated the Midichlorians to impregnate Shmi with Anakin. This was indeed Lucas's original intention (as Palpatine's speech to Anakin at The Sperm Opera in Ep. III not-so-subtly hints at for the benefit of the viewer) but he never got to flesh it out. But as far as I know, Disney made it "official canon" less than a year ago.

As to whether that means Anakin's bloodline has anything in common with Rey's... I kinda don't think so. He's Anakin's "father" in the sense that "God" is everyone's "father" but I don't think the Skywalker bloodline has any actual Palpatine DNA in it. Whereas Rey is his direct biological descendant, apparently, which means EWW, this toad-lookin' mu'fukka got his dick wet at some point and now I gotta think about it. WHAT THE HELL, Star Wars?!

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I swear it wasn't even that long ago that a bunch of articles came out stating that one of the newer comics or novels definitively stated that Palpatine manipulated the Midichlorians to impregnate Shmi with Anakin. This was indeed Lucas's original intention (as Palpatine's speech to Anakin at The Sperm Opera in Ep. III not-so-subtly hints at for the benefit of the viewer) but he never got to flesh it out. But as far as I know, Disney made it "official canon" less than a year ago.

As to whether that means Anakin's bloodline has anything in common with Rey's... I kinda don't think so. He's Anakin's "father" in the sense that "God" is everyone's "father" but I don't think the Skywalker bloodline has any actual Palpatine DNA in it. Whereas Rey is his direct biological descendant, apparently, which means EWW, this toad-lookin' mu'fukka got his dick wet at some point and now I gotta think about it. WHAT THE HELL, Star Wars?!

Well... he had a son at some point, we know. Who would have conceived Rey around... 10 years after RotJ. Which means said son would be presumably at least around 20. But yeesh. I guess that still leaves us in scary weird ghoulish man territory (in terms of when Palpatine did the deed, naturally). So what happened to that son? Or the mother of the son? Knowing Kennedy we probably have some sh*t about "meet Palpatine's wife!" to look forward to.

Here comes the comics and books explaining everything. "Meet the Palpatines" and all. *yawn*

[Krutch]

I thought it was... fine. Honestly, it felt less like watching a movie and more like going to the repair shop after having your car totalled to see how it was salvaged.

TLJ really did a number on my ability to care about this story anymore, but I was mostly entertained. The Emperor stuff was too over the top for me, though.

Spoiler:

I said time and time again after episode 7 "I hope Rey is either from no one special or a Palpatine". I guess I got both my wishes in two different movies, so, no arguments about that from me.

[newfan]

I remember speculating the same thing about Rey once or twice also, though I didn't think it would be the case at the time.

Spoiler:

I'll take the powerful bloodline over her just being powerful all by herself...AND bested Luke in the last movie with that.

So, was the title relevant after all btw?

[ZariusTwo]

Audience score on Rotten Tomatoes is 86%. Guess the casuals are either Phantom Menacing, went for the Reylo feels, or accepted Disney's apology

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/sta...e_of_skywalker

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Audience score on Rotten Tomatoes is 86%. Guess the casuals are either Phantom Menacing, went for the Reylo feels, or accepted Disney's apology

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/sta...e_of_skywalker

Once again, RT proves that critics and fans live in two different realities.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Audience score on Rotten Tomatoes is 86%. Guess the casuals are either Phantom Menacing, went for the Reylo feels, or accepted Disney's apology

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/sta...e_of_skywalker

Well it's like I said, it's like WWE. "Does this make logical sense?" "No, BUT I definitely feel something." Emotional manipulation. People forgive an awful lot if you give them Memorable Moments backed by an awesome soundtrack.

I mean, my FB feed is FULL of people who proudly announced that they were going to love this movie no matter what, "Because it's Star Wars", and in the same breath accuse anyone who doesn't like it of being joyless and "missing the point". "It's NOT about the story, it's about Creating Memories. The story doesn't HAVE to be any good! You just have to FEEL something!"

Most of those people are in the wrestling business, which pretty much proves my theory. Several theories, actually. But I'll keep some of those theories to myself for the sake of being polite. But yeah. "Emotional Memories." That's the ticket.

Still pretty sure that there's going to be plenty of "... Y'know what's bullsh*t, though?" conversations once people get over the Warm Fuzzies of opening day/weekend. That always happens. Especially with this franchise.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Turo602

Are we sure about that though? Isn't it hinted that Palpatine created Anakin? Or at least that was the original direction Lucas wanted to go, which would have been a great thing to confirm in this film if Disney didn't think the prequels were so yucky.

Event that doesn't matter when you boil it down because it's not like Palpatine used his actual genetic material to do it. I always got that Anakin was a manipulation of the force as opposed to the chemical reaction of Schmi-Sith-sex.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Still pretty sure that there's going to be plenty of "... Y'know what's bullsh*t, though?" conversations once people get over the Warm Fuzzies of opening day/weekend. That always happens. Especially with this franchise.

Yeah, memories, while fresh, are only a temporary kick, then you gotta spend days, months, years, processing what you felt and whether or not it was worth that kick

The only time that kick is worth something long-term is when you're a child and you need those memories to create a comfort zone to plug yourself into as you age, you don't really need them when you're that age, where you should be saving up memories that matter in real life like reunions, learning a new skill, achieving something for the first time, falling in love, having a kid, celebrating their first birthdays. Life makes the most and least sense of all, but it makes you feel something more than two and a half hours of movie-by-committee will for a few days.

[Andrew NDB]

So, this is probably why Palpatine's resurrection is left nebulous. Can't have ghosts or ghouls or spirit/resurrection stuff in China:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/skywalke...lops-in-china/

[Leo656]

That actually makes a lot of sense. That's another reason I'm pretty much done with movies anymore, if we have to book everything based on "Not upsetting the Chinese" then there's no f*cking point in even trying to tell a damn story, period. You can't snip the balls off of every single story you try and tell because you're worried about the overseas box office. Jesus.

Originally Posted by IMJ

Event that doesn't matter when you boil it down because it's not like Palpatine used his actual genetic material to do it. I always got that Anakin was a manipulation of the force as opposed to the chemical reaction of Schmi-Sith-sex.

Many people don't know this, but whatsername who played Anakin's mom had a pretty decent rack back in the 70s. After Ep. I came out some of her nudes from back in the day started popping up. Gotta say, Not Bad.

Not really related to anything, but most roads for me lead to titties.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Many people don't know this, but whatsername who played Anakin's mom had a pretty decent rack back in the 70s. After Ep. I came out some of her nudes from back in the day started popping up. Gotta say, Not Bad.

Not really related to anything, but most roads for me lead to titties.

Pernilla August? Yeah, and you should see her daughter, who is the lead actress in "The Rain" on Netflix.

[AquaParade]

Didn't love it. Probably my least favorite of the new trilogy, but there were moments I enjoyed. I could end up feeling differently down the line, but I doubt it because I have a lot of questions and nitpicks.

I'd be interested to see a Kylo Ren prequel series on Disney+ though. Maybe something that tackles his time from training with Luke to the start of Force Awakens. Adam Driver could do a great job if they bring on some quality writers for it.

The last big release I viewed was the Watchmen HBO series and that blew this out of the water. Interesting characters, layers of metaphor, complex plot.

[oldmanwinters]

Still the best explanation of what happened to Palpatine at the end of RotJ:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qAKXK_aLeA

[Andrew NDB]

I really don't understand how even basic Force users can fall to their deaths. I mean, just think about it for 2 seconds.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by IMJ

Did you buy a ticket to see it?

Yes I did.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Here comes the comics and books explaining everything. "Meet the Palpatines" and all. *yawn*

Make it a comedy and I'd watch the **** out of it!

Not that anything can harm writing integrity of the Star Wars anymore now.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

Once again, RT proves that critics and fans live in two different realities.

Moreso than ever in the last couple of years. Woke stuff/diversity stuff gets bonus points that it wouldn't otherwise deserve with today's critics. And with ROTS, the same critics that gave TLJ a 95% are just angry that ROTS isn't woke like TLJ. Guaranteed, if ROTS had a bunch more "f*** the patriarchy"/"kill the past" kind of stuff it'd be firmly in the 90s.