Superheroes? or not Superheroes?

[tOkKa]

-->> ..by the way ,Tokka.. you have an extremly wonderful name!!

[Leo656]

Hi Dave, it's Sean. Good to seeya.

[The Defibrillator]

soo.....I'm confoozed now. which of you is the real Tokka? Are you the same dude with 2 names? I always figgered the rabbit dude was the Tokka from www.terrible2z.com, but I guess not...

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

Maybe He's a "Special Tokka"!

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

Nunchaku and Sai were from Okinawa and therefore would have more to do with Karate then Ninjutsu. And , yes Real Tokka, the Nunchaku were originally to thresh grains and the Sai were to plant seeds.

But keep in mind Heretic the feudal Ninja would have had no access to them but Ninja are suppossed to be able to use ANY weapon and the TMNT live in modern New York.

[Tokka-B]

Ok, I am just Tokka, ok? Lets not pick names for me such as special tokka and whatnot, I don't know what "real tokka" is supposed to mean anyway.


Ok, I am sure some feudal ninja have used the nunchakus before they became inactive. But if not, theoretically speaking ninja should be able to use the nunchakus just perfectly...

[Leo656]

I don't know for certain but I *think* it's because Dave's been using the Tokka handle on a lot of other forums for a few years now (including the TMNT Yahoo Group, where I know him from). I could be mistaken, that's just what I *think* it means.

[Sparvid]

Originally Posted by heretic888

Those who live and practice the art. Besides, the transliteration 'ninjitsu' actually has a different meaning in Japanese. It literally means 'the fruit of stealth' instead of the 'art of stealth'.

Like, a mango?

[heretic888]

Well, ninja completely died out around the mid-1800's, so it wouldn't surprise me if most ninja haven't used the nunchakus, but some had to.

First off, the ninja did not 'completely die out' in the mid-1800s. Secondly, NONE of the ancient ninja would have had access to the nunchaku, thus they could not use them. End of story. Modern-day ninja, however, is another story.....

It was also similar (in size and shape) to the manriki kusari so they could have learned different tactics with nunchakus.

You are already copying something I said earlier on in the thread. Namely, SOME forms of the manriki-gusari were RELATIVELY similar to the nunchakus Mike is seen using in the comic from time to time. That does NOT mean the ninja used nunchaku per se.

Also, nunchakus might not have been used primarily with taijutsu, but could be used as a form of shuriken.

Ok, Tokka you obviously have no idea what you are talking about....

I know they don't use poison or any of that, but it remains that TMNT do use ninja weapons.

They also use weapons the feudal ninja would have been unfamiliar with, such as the sai and nunchaku and tonfa.

-->> .. weren't most of those weapons based on what farmers used at that time..

.. kind of an item of 'DUAL USE' .. ?? ..i guess..

Actually, the farmers adapted their tools to defend themselves from samurai invaders.

But keep in mind Heretic the feudal Ninja would have had no access to them but Ninja are suppossed to be able to use ANY weapon and the TMNT live in modern New York.

Yes, that was the point I was trying to make.

Ok, I am sure some feudal ninja have used the nunchakus before they became inactive.

I am sorry, Tokka, but you are wrong. There is no empirical basis (or even a logical basis) for that assertion.

But if not, theoretically speaking ninja should be able to use the nunchakus just perfectly...

Probably. But most 'ninja' I know aren't particularly fond on the 'chuks (the kusari-fundo is about a hundred times more practical, considering 'chuks are illegal to carry in many states).

Like, a mango?

Egg-sack-tolly.

[Tokka-B]

Ok, I was stating that the manriki kusari had some similarities, I never said that because of this they use nunchakus..just making a statement.

Nunchakus could be used as a form of shuriken, as Mike displays in the old cartoon. The primary use of shuriken such as "ninja stars" as Americans call it, is to distract and/or deter the opponent, on occasions used as a lethal weapon. I have seen Mike use the nunchakus to distract people by throwing them at lamp posts and whatnot, I have no time for more examples...Alternately, and more commonly is using it in taijutsu, or hand-to-hand combat...mainly to disarm someone of their bow or sword if used skillfully.

When I said ninja completely died out, I meant the feudal ninja, most becoming in active during the latter half of the 1700s during the times when Edo was capital and not Tokyo.

Yes, they do use a few weapons 99% of the feudal ninja have not been exposed to.

Nunchakus are illegal in most states, but ninja in other countries could have easy access to them, plus you'd get many "oooh's" and "aaah's" if you actually brought some to a dojo.

[heretic888]

Ok, I was stating that the manriki kusari had some similarities, I never said that because of this they use nunchakus..just making a statement.

If you say so.

Nunchakus could be used as a form of shuriken, as Mike displays in the old cartoon.

Shurikenjutsu is the art of throwing small blades, not big wooden sticks attached by a cord. Besides, this may suprise you, but nunchakus cannot actually be used that way very effectively.

The primary use of shuriken such as "ninja stars" as Americans call it, is to distract and/or deter the opponent, on occasions used as a lethal weapon.

Shuriken were never used to kill. It's not part of their design.

I have seen Mike use the nunchakus to distract people by throwing them at lamp posts and whatnot, I have no time for more examples...

Usually unrealistic and stupid scenarios. Still, I suppose its possible...

Alternately, and more commonly is using it in taijutsu, or hand-to-hand combat...mainly to disarm someone of their bow or sword if used skillfully.

Taijutsu is unarmed combat.

When I said ninja completely died out, I meant the feudal ninja, most becoming in active during the latter half of the 1700s during the times when Edo was capital and not Tokyo.

No ****, of course feudal ninja died out when Japan stopped being feudal!! That's like saying colonial Americans 'died out' when America entered the industrial age.

Nunchakus are illegal in most states, but ninja in other countries could have easy access to them, plus you'd get many "oooh's" and "aaah's" if you actually brought some to a dojo.

Actually, it wouldn't impress most martial artists. Anyone can carry a weapon.

[Tokka-B]

But most would attract much curiosity to see how they would use it, since it is a rare weapon to find at the dojo...

Lets lighten the language a little, I was just making sure you understood that feudal ninja have died out...

Taijutsu could mean "close-combat"

stupid scenarios? I thought they were funny, each to their own..

Shuriken have been used to kill in certain situations. They are designed to distract though. In instances when ninja are chased down by a samurai and depending on the situation they would throw it back at him knowing what he is up against, thus stopping the chase. They have also been dipped in poison, but that is extremely rare, as the ninja would fondle in his pocket for it and accidentally kill himself.

Michelangelo obviously can use nunchakus like that effectively.

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

I love how Tokka can never admit that he is wrong.(such a ham)
I'm sorry Tokka, it's just funny. You're like my cousin Jason that way.

[Tokka-B]

I am wrong Tetsu? I've been wrong in the past? Why don't you actually say something useful rather than mock me with arrogance...

[tOkKa]

-->> Samurai Invaders!!


..i've been tOkKa 6 years running.. but here.. i'll be zREAL-tOkKa.. yeah..of terrible2z.com .. not to be confused with the Tokka with the very cool rabbit AV .. TOKKA is my fave and really there should be more TOKKAs.
you can call me 'special-tOkKa' if ya want.. i get that alot..

..hi,SEAn.. tight AV too .. tons of Wrassle guys n' gals here..

..as far as 'REAL' goes ..

[tOkKa]

-->> Tokka, who is that character in your AV.. i've seen that rabbit before..

[Tokka-B]

Hawkbit from Watership Down, there has already been a topic about this though in general chat called Hey Tokka, so go find it.

[tOkKa]

-->> ..oo.. you GOTIT!!

[Leo656]

Dave, that thing's scarin' me...

Good job!