Tmnt 2 is making less than half what the original made

[Galactus]

I believe that interview was done before the released. Although I wonder if it's a case of getting their excuses in early.

One nice thing for them is that despite saying I wouldn't see the movie despite me being naturally curious it struggling at the box office actually made it easy put that aside in the sense that I didn't want to be a part of the problem in helping a clearly flawed movie being a big success but since that's not the case I bit the bullet and went to see it.

With that in mind...

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Someone obviously didn't watch that scene closely enough- or just doesn't know their landmark buildings. That was the Chrystler Building NOT the Empire State! I'd think having Mikey incite a pile-up on one of the falcon gargoyles would be enough to make that clear. Or that wide shot panning in on them on the art-deco spire.....

Which of course makes it slightly confusing when getting to the top of the Chysler building later in the movie is portrayed as a huge feat the turtles can't do without the aid of the police.

Then again that's a rather small contradiction compared to things like few scenes earlier where the turtles realize that they can survive the atmosphere around the Technodrome whereas humans can't then moments later have their big moment of deciding whether to become human to convince the cops.

That opening was terrible though. Firstly while I like to see the turtles jumping from building to building they are not Spider-Man. It also more than a little bit devalued the central theme by portraying their lives as so fun filled and they were hardly staying out of sight.

I know what they were trying to do by trying to set the tone right away by showing a the turtles in full from the beginning and set the tone it would be a "fun" movie after the last movie. Likewise reinforcing New York is an important aspect of TMNT but this movie it felt that they were trying to shoe horn every major landmark. Everything up until Shredder was being transferred to into the prisoner carrier was garbage and felt like product placement for everything from the NY tourist board, Carmello Anthony's NBA gear, the Bumblebee spin off and Megan Fox's prospects of still being cast as eye candy.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by Galactus

I believe that interview was done before the released. Although I wonder if it's a case of getting their excuses in early.

One nice thing for them is that despite saying I wouldn't see the movie despite me being naturally curious it struggling at the box office actually made it easy put that aside in the sense that I didn't want to be a part of the problem in helping a clearly flawed movie being a big success but since that's not the case I bit the bullet and went to see it.

With that in mind...



Which of course makes it slightly confusing when getting to the top of the Chysler building later in the movie is portrayed as a huge feat the turtles can't do without the aid of the police.

Then again that's a rather small contradiction compared to things like few scenes earlier where the turtles realize that they can survive the atmosphere around the Technodrome whereas humans can't then moments later have their big moment of deciding whether to become human to convince the cops.

That opening was terrible though. Firstly while I like to see the turtles jumping from building to building they are not Spider-Man. It also more than a little bit devalued the central theme by portraying their lives as so fun filled and they were hardly staying out of sight.

I know what they were trying to do by trying to set the tone right away by showing a the turtles in full from the beginning and set the tone it would be a "fun" movie after the last movie. Likewise reinforcing New York is an important aspect of TMNT but this movie it felt that they were trying to shoe horn every major landmark. Everything up until Shredder was being transferred to into the prisoner carrier was garbage and felt like product placement for everything from the NY tourist board, Carmello Anthony's NBA gear, the Bumblebee spin off and Megan Fox's prospects of still being cast as eye candy.

I believe the issue in getting there is that it was daylight and they would most certainly be seen. They probably had the cops clear out the building so they could go in. In the earlier scene, they were on the OUTSIDE of it. So no winesses to see them in the dark. They made a point during the movie of April telling them they couldn't go out during the day because they would be seen.

Also Donnie says in that scene were they are deciding whether to use the ooze that they would still be the same on the INSIDE but just LOOK human. So they could go out during the day and still survive the Drome's "toxic" atmosphere. Though I have to add that Shredder had already done so when he first met Krang so apparently that was just Donnie making false assumptions about it's atmosphere. A slight plot hole in having Shredder breathing just fine without a mask but otherwise it was all explained as part of the transformation if they used it. Human outside, turtly inside, LOL.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

I believe the issue in getting there is that it was daylight and they would most certainly be seen. They probably had the cops clear out the building so they could go in. In the earlier scene, they were on the OUTSIDE of it. So no winesses to see them in the dark. They made a point during the movie of April telling them they couldn't go out during the day because they would be seen.

Yeah I get that hence me saying it was a "small contradiction" but they had the truck to be able to drive there. Manholes near the Chysler building they could exit from, heck given how far they can jump they could have leaped across the nearby rooftops and climbed the rest of the way.

Same with them having to stay behind while April went inside TCRI. Surely they could have found a dark secluded spot nearby. It's not a big deal but it's worth mentioning.

Also Donnie says in that scene were they are deciding whether to use the ooze that they would still be the same on the INSIDE but just LOOK human. So they could go out during the day and still survive the Drome's "toxic" atmosphere. Though I have to add that Shredder had already done so when he first met Krang so apparently that was just Donnie making false assumptions about it's atmosphere. A slight plot hole in having Shredder breathing just fine without a mask but otherwise it was all explained as part of the transformation if they used it. Human outside, turtly inside, LOL.

I'm calling foul on this one. I'm positive what Donatello meant is that they'd be the same people, with the same personalities. If it was meant on the inside their bodies they would be still genetically be mutants the script writers should have have him say exactly that. (Then again knowing Nemec and Applebaum maybe not)

It's not like I'm hugely down on the scene. I actually thought it was pretty effective. Unlike some who have criticized it I get that what they were trying to convey was the turtles didn't need words they just instinctively knew they were on the same page (although I suppose a nod from Mike wouldn't have gone amiss) and in a movie that promised slower scenes with them turtles but mostly got the doing kooky things in the lair this was welcome but it just happening right after saying that if they were humans they wouldn't survive near the Technodrome was misplaced. It's not like they even needed that, I think the everyone would likely accept that the police would leave it to the "super heroes" to confront the big robot.

It's another case of them overthinking certain elements (which lead to big contradictions) and not explaining important stuff the audience needs to know.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Well he DID say it would only be a sip. And given that one drop changed his hand but it reverted back, it just seemed to imply that it would only affect their appearance. It might not even be a permanent change with that amount. Like I said, it was explained in the scene, though perhaps not perfectly. But it got the point across, IMHO.

[beeshaw]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

So how do you explain them constantly running around on rooftops in Nick or 2K3 series? They've ALWAYS spentba lot of time in high places- I imagine it's a nice change from looking UP at the world from a sewer grate.

Originally Posted by Bry

To be fair, in those shows they're generally shown rooftop-hopping across much smaller buildings, not the tallest skyscrapers in midtown.

What Bry said. On top of a giant skyscraper was a bit much. Again... nothing more than a cool shot for the sake of a cool shot.

Hell, give me a line where Leo says 'I love seeing our city from up here...' or have Donnie be up there to toss an antennae or a camera or something for some of his tech. Give them a REASON to be up there. The only reason they were up there...was because they had a 'cool' idea of how to get them down to open the movie.

[miru]

Now Bayyay's Substitute is attacking all of the fans for his deplorable film?


May this continuity rot.

[Bry]

Maybe not strictly on-topic for this thread (though the reviews thread is locked, so...) and I'm risking some teeth-gnashing and cursing by daring to post a Rotten Tomatoes score, but the steadily dropping RT audience score is now at 60%:



Will it dip into "rotten" today? Tomorrow? The suspense!

[Commenter 42]

I hate their stupid green monkey faces.

[Coola Yagami]

I remember all the bad stuff we heard about the first one. Wait and see! Wait and see!

Then we started seeing actual trailers for it. Wait and see! Wait and see!

The movie came and went and it was horrible. The sequel will be better, wait and see! Wait and see!

I..... kinda don't hear anyone saying 'the third one will the good one, wait and see, wait and see!'

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

I remember all the bad stuff we heard about the first one. Wait and see! Wait and see!

Then we started seeing actual trailers for it. Wait and see! Wait and see!

The movie came and went and it was horrible. The sequel will be better, wait and see! Wait and see!

I..... kinda don't hear anyone saying 'the third one will the good one, wait and see, wait and see!'

It's really ye olde "Battered Wife Syndrome." You know, "He'll get better one day, you'll see. You just don't understand. He'll stop beating me, he'll be better."

But no, he just keeps on beating.

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by Bry

Maybe not strictly on-topic for this thread (though the reviews thread is locked, so...) and I'm risking some teeth-gnashing and cursing by daring to post a Rotten Tomatoes score, but the steadily dropping RT audience score is now at 60%:

http://s33.postimg.org/yk5aityzz/tmnt_rt.jpg

Will it dip into "rotten" today? Tomorrow? The suspense!

Whoooooooooops

[Angry_Raph]

It's a great movie and an improvement on the first. Unfortunately the first movie may have been a fluke, and I only say that because they were riding high on the resurgence TMNT had with the new cartoon and toys. But I think the first movie made some people mad and others may just not have liked the edgy Michael Bay turtles. This movie may be suffering from the shock of how bad a lot of people felt the last movie was, and on that they decided to just skip the new movie. Let's face it the six foot mini Hulks were a bad choice, and the clothing only made it stranger. At least they weren't aliens and they did some rewrites to bring in Saki as Shredder. The first movie did very little to appeal to fans, instead they wanted urban Turtles with muscles. This movie may have been what fans wanted to see, but it's probably one movie too late. You can't redeem your franchise after you made Teenage Mutant Ninja Transformers as the first entry.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Whoooooooooops

http://i.imgur.com/4tDtKzX.png?1

[Bry]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Whoooooooooops

http://i.imgur.com/4tDtKzX.png?1

The day is here!!

Into the garbage truck with you, Platinum Dunes movies!

[TrickOrTreater]

I'm having a great time.

[Andrew NDB]

[Andrew NDB]

Let's have us a party!

[Technogeek29]

[Sabacooza]

Didn't know where to ask this but did Mad Magazine ever do anything with the Bay turtles? I thought these movies would've been perfect for spoofing. Just curious.

[IndigoErth]

If not it is a missed opportunity. Mikey would make a great Alfred E. Neuman.