Official Episode Discussion S4 Ep 20: Super Shredder - Page 7

*MrTMNT2012* · 11-08-2016, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines

But really, other than a couple Auman-isms, this was season 1 tier. Coulda told me it was a Sternin/Ventimilia joint.

Don't insult Sternin/Ventimillia like that.

Those guys would not be caught dead writing 'and then the main antagonist set up an intricately designed cavalcade of nostalgic photos in an abandoned sewer to catch the main characters off guard by setting them on fire.'

Also..."This is where Splinter fought Rat King!" - because we have to somehow allude to continuity in this series right? God forbid we actually have, y'know, continuity and not just flat-out references. Because Auman definitely seems like the type of guy that consciously thinks about temporal ellipsis in his writing...

*MrTMNT2012* · 11-08-2016, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Sabacooza

Don't pay any attention to them. You're allowed to have your own opinion. If it doesn't jive with theirs or hurts their feelings, so what.

Appreciate that man!

*Sabacooza* · 11-08-2016, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by MrTMNT2012

Appreciate that man!

No problem.

*THGhost* · 11-08-2016, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Ninturtle

The irony is too much

Noticed that, huh?

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Originally Posted by MrTMNT2012

I have an entire history of praising the show during Seasons 1 & 2 on this forum.

I literally created my account BECAUSE of this incarnation.

But yeah, guess I'm jus a random troll lol

I was only joking, MrTMNT2012. It was aimed more at Cubed than at you. Sorry if that didn't come across so easily. I often don't think things through.

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Originally Posted by MrTMNT2012

"This is where Splinter fought Rat King!"

I thought it looked familiar.

*Powder* · 11-08-2016, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MrTMNT2012

Don't insult Sternin/Ventimillia like that.

Those guys would not be caught dead writing 'and then the main antagonist set up an intricately designed cavalcade of nostalgic photos in an abandoned sewer to catch the main characters off guard by setting them on fire.'

Also..."This is where Splinter fought Rat King!" - because we have to somehow allude to continuity in this series right? God forbid we actually have, y'know, continuity and not just flat-out references. Because Auman definitely seems like the type of guy that consciously thinks about temporal ellipsis in his writing...

How are you critical of ish like this in the Nick series while completely dismissing that sort of criticism from others about Bayturtles? Pretty easy to see why people think you're a troll.

*CyberCubed* · 11-08-2016, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MrTMNT2012

Those guys would not be caught dead writing 'and then the main antagonist set up an intricately designed cavalcade of nostalgic photos in an abandoned sewer to catch the main characters off guard by setting them on fire.'

That's what you're complaining about? How do you know they wouldn't have wrote the same thing?

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Also..."This is where Splinter fought Rat King!" - because we have to somehow allude to continuity in this series right? God forbid we actually have, y'know, continuity and not just flat-out references. Because Auman definitely seems like the type of guy that consciously thinks about temporal ellipsis in his writing...

What on earth are you talking about? We have continuity. This episode had strong continuity with the entire show. Name dropping Rat King was also nice continuity.

The episode had:

- Shredder/Splinter's and Miwa's backstory.

- All of Shredders mutant henchmen, (Tiger Claw, Fishface, Rahzar, Rocksteady/Bebop and Baxter)

- Shinigami with Karai

- Karai is still a mutant snake, hates Shredder, Shredder still thinks what he's doing is right

Plus all of the Turtles were written incredibly well and nobody did anything stupid or out of character. You sound to me like you have no idea what you want.

~~TMNTInsighter~~ · 11-09-2016, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

What on earth are you talking about? We have continuity. This episode had strong continuity with the entire show. Name dropping Rat King was also nice continuity.

The episode had:

- Shredder/Splinter's and Miwa's backstory.

- All of Shredders mutant henchmen, (Tiger Claw, Fishface, Rahzar, Rocksteady/Bebop and Baxter)

- Shinigami with Karai

- Karai is still a mutant snake, hates Shredder, Shredder still thinks what he's doing is right

Plus all of the Turtles were written incredibly well and nobody did anything stupid or out of character. You sound to me like you have no idea what you want.

Continuity (noun): 1. logical sequence, cohesion, or connection
2. the comprehensive script or scenario of detail and movement in a film or broadcast.

Sorry but it seemed to me like you didn't have a complete understanding of what the word continuity means (or what great continuity is). Alluding to something is not the same as continuity, therefore just alluding to the Rat King and where Splinter last fought him does not fit the definition of continuity--just name dropping. Again, name dropping is not continuity. If Rat King one way or another then came into play, then yeah it'd be continuity. Also, think of how many times we've seen the dojo, Donnie's lab, or Shredder's lair, or the same old city buildings and streets just to name a few. That's not continuity so much as it is remembering to insert basic locations. If we saw something relevant of "Of Rats and Men" that transpired in that underground city, then it'd be continuity. That wasn't the case.

Those others you mentioned are also not continuity, it's basic storytelling. To remember character traits, events, etc. that have already been established--basic storytelling in other words, does not mean you have a knack for continuity, it just means you're not retarded so as to forget even the most simplest parts of your storyline.

And since when is having every henchmen Shredder's got in the show considered continuity? It's not. Not to mention that some of them, B&R and Fishface most specifically, weren't even relevant to this episode's story.

Just because you remember the basics doesn't mean you've got an intricately woven tapestry that brings old (even minor) events, moments, or lines back into play ingeniously. That's continuity! This series has not usually lived up to that and that's why the show overall, let's be fair, does not have great continuity. To say otherwise is completely unfair.

Skinrash · 11-09-2016, 08:16 AM

Where did the climax take place exactly? One minute Shredder and Splinter are in the sewers, then they're all the way up in the mountains or some kinda fantasy world with floating rocks?

*Vegita-San* · 11-09-2016, 08:39 AM

FishFace is so useful i don't even think he got one speaking line in the whole thing.

This episodes whole 'continuity' felt like it was the show saying 'hey, we REMEMBER things.. here is proof of that'.

oy.

*Vicky82* · 11-09-2016, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Skinrash

Where did the climax take place exactly? One minute Shredder and Splinter are in the sewers, then they're all the way up in the mountains or some kinda fantasy world with floating rocks?

There were no floating rocks, I think you got confused with Dimension X.

I think it's called the Undercity, it's under New York City. It's where Splinter beat the Rat King.

*victory_angel* · 11-09-2016, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Skinrash

Where did the climax take place exactly? One minute Shredder and Splinter are in the sewers, then they're all the way up in the mountains or some kinda fantasy world with floating rocks?

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Originally Posted by Vicky82

There were no floating rocks, I think you got confused with Dimension X.

I think it's called the Undercity, it's under New York City. It's where Splinter beat the Rat King.

It's essentially an old and abandoned part of New York City that the city is built on top of.

*CyberCubed* · 11-09-2016, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Vegita-San

FishFace is so useful i don't even think he got one speaking line in the whole thing

They can't use too many voice actors in one episode, that's why characters are silent. In an old episode they didn't know this and had to replace Baxter's lines with buzzing back in Season 2.

There were a lot of characters in this episode so Fishface didn't get any lines. It makes sense too, he was only in like one or two scenes.

*THGhost* · 11-09-2016, 01:38 PM

He did something with the train and that was it, wasn't it?

*Vicky82* · 11-09-2016, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by THGhost

He did something with the train and that was it, wasn't it?

Yeah he only changed the rail lines, he wasn't involved in the fight.

Fishface might have a bigger role in the Darkest Plight but it looks like it going to be focused more on Bebop and Rocksteady as the main hench mutants.

*Lethal Lullaby* · 11-11-2016, 06:30 PM

Just started this episode. Yeah, I know I'm several days late.
Anyways, so far so good. Super Shredder looks pretty intimidating.
The part with Bradford watching his old show is oddly adorable IMO. >//u//<

*ssjup81* · 11-11-2016, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Sabacooza

Good man. Season one was solid.

But Mikey was annoying. ><

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Originally Posted by DestronMirage22

Woah, I don't think that would ever happen in this series. Especially this version of Mikey.

Mikey's capable of it, though. Back in season 1, he nearly stabbed Bradford in the head with his kusarigami chain, it's implied he killed that Kraang he was using for a hat, and even his defeating VQ Rahzar was brutal compared to the other three. He slit his throat.

*MrTMNT2012* · 11-12-2016, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by TMNTInsighter

Continuity (noun): 1. logical sequence, cohesion, or connection
2. the comprehensive script or scenario of detail and movement in a film or broadcast.

Sorry but it seemed to me like you didn't have a complete understanding of what the word continuity means (or what great continuity is). Alluding to something is not the same as continuity, therefore just alluding to the Rat King and where Splinter last fought him does not fit the definition of continuity--just name dropping. Again, name dropping is not continuity. If Rat King one way or another then came into play, then yeah it'd be continuity. Also, think of how many times we've seen the dojo, Donnie's lab, or Shredder's lair, or the same old city buildings and streets just to name a few. That's not continuity so much as it is remembering to insert basic locations. If we saw something relevant of "Of Rats and Men" that transpired in that underground city, then it'd be continuity. That wasn't the case.

Those others you mentioned are also not continuity, it's basic storytelling. To remember character traits, events, etc. that have already been established--basic storytelling in other words, does not mean you have a knack for continuity, it just means you're not retarded so as to forget even the most simplest parts of your storyline.

And since when is having every henchmen Shredder's got in the show considered continuity? It's not. Not to mention that some of them, B&R and Fishface most specifically, weren't even relevant to this episode's story.

Just because you remember the basics doesn't mean you've got an intricately woven tapestry that brings old (even minor) events, moments, or lines back into play ingeniously. That's continuity! This series has not usually lived up to that and that's why the show overall, let's be fair, does not have great continuity. To say otherwise is completely unfair.

Didn't want this to go unacknowledged so, great post man!

Couldn't write it better myself; perfectly explained one of the key points why this show is trash.

*CyberCubed* · 11-12-2016, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MrTMNT2012

Didn't want this to go unacknowledged so, great post man!

Couldn't write it better myself; perfectly explained one of the key points why this show is trash.

Which proves you have no idea what you're talking about. Claiming the show has no continuity when it blatantly does. Especially this of all episodes, lol.

*Powder* · 11-12-2016, 01:27 AM

This is someone who loves the Bayverse. He's obviously trolling.

*CyberCubed* · 11-12-2016, 01:41 AM

A lot of other people say the same thing though, which is why I'm baffled.

This isn't the Fred Wolf cartoon which had a very loose continuity because the episodes were meant to be watched in almost any order (since that's how old 80's cartoons were made), the Nick cartoon has just as much a serial storyline like the 2k3 series did where you have to watch most episodes in order or it doesn't make sense, aside from some fillers here and there.

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11-09-2016, 08:16 AM	#128
Skinrash Thug Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 61	Where did the climax take place exactly? One minute Shredder and Splinter are in the sewers, then they're all the way up in the mountains or some kinda fantasy world with floating rocks?

11-09-2016, 08:39 AM	#129
Vegita-San Emperor Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 6,057	FishFace is so useful i don't even think he got one speaking line in the whole thing. This episodes whole 'continuity' felt like it was the show saying 'hey, we REMEMBER things.. here is proof of that'. oy.

11-11-2016, 06:30 PM	#135
Lethal Lullaby Foot Elite Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 4,816	Just started this episode. Yeah, I know I'm several days late. Anyways, so far so good. Super Shredder looks pretty intimidating. The part with Bradford watching his old show is oddly adorable IMO. >//u//<

11-12-2016, 01:27 AM	#139
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,945	This is someone who loves the Bayverse. He's obviously trolling.

11-12-2016, 01:41 AM	#140
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,713	A lot of other people say the same thing though, which is why I'm baffled. This isn't the Fred Wolf cartoon which had a very loose continuity because the episodes were meant to be watched in almost any order (since that's how old 80's cartoons were made), the Nick cartoon has just as much a serial storyline like the 2k3 series did where you have to watch most episodes in order or it doesn't make sense, aside from some fillers here and there.