What if the Turtles were evil...?

Tigershard · 09-08-2004, 08:09 PM

What I would love to see is a Tales of TMNT issue devoted to some sort of mirror universe turtles that are just down right evil. How would each of the turtles be like?

I see Leo as being a cold and calculating killer. Stare him straight in the eyes and you would see death. He would have a very wicked smile, and a lot of scars.

Don would be very interesting, because he would use his intelligence to make killing machines, but he may end up just as your typical mad scientist, which could hopefully be avoided

Mikey would be someone who would like to play mind games with whoever he is after, and have a crazy laugh

And Raph... he would probably just be insane, act like an animal... a very intelligent animal that is. I could see Raph with lots of tattoos

What would the plot be?

Having the normal TMNT vs the evil TMNT would just be too cliche. Maybe still have the evil TMNT fight Shredder, but for some other reason, like control of the Foot Clan. That might also mean Splinter would be evil, wanting to seek a more satisfying revenge against the Shredder for killing his master.

Doppleganger · 09-08-2004, 08:42 PM

Hmm...I remember a certain thread going this way, where the ninja turtles weren't found by Splinter. Someone mentioned what if they were found by Shreddar. He would probably corrupt them. It's plausible and an interesting premise. Especially if someone else had found them. That would probably be the only feasible way they could be "evil". It could happen. I mean people are capable of evil. It's a matter of choice. Though I'm not sure about Mikey he seems to have too good a heart (plus a free spirit) to be evil.

Leonardo, yes, I can envision him being a cold assasin who would do the bidding of his master. He is very loyal so yeah it could go that way.

Donatello if he was raised differently could be a cold and detached scientist who performs experiments on innocent people.

Raphael also plausible he could be a psycho killer fueled by his rage. But also he follows his heart so maybe he wouldn't go down that path. He could infact rebel against his brothers.

Michaelangelo, eh no not really. He has too good a heart. He would rebel against them too.

This would actually really make a very intriguing fanfiction. Though my thoughts is that this should be in it's proper place in the fanworks section.

JDavis · 09-08-2004, 08:59 PM

I can see this tying in directly with the "If the Turtles never met Splinter" thing. Tang Shen could have fallen for Oroku Nagi instead of Yoshi... The events leading to Nagi's death would not have happened, and so Yoshi (and thus Splinter) would not end up in America. Oroku Saki would not grow up filled with hatred for Hamato Yoshi, would not train near as intensively as in the normal reality, and would likely not be chosen as the head of the New York branch of the Foot. These chains of events would not effect the accident that landed the turtles and canister of "ooze" in the sewer, but without Splinter to raise them, they could have been found by some nut-job and raised very differently.. causing them to be "evil".

Tigershard · 09-08-2004, 10:13 PM

I never checked out that thread, but I do remember seeing it, so my apologies if this is sort of a rehash on an old topic.

Doplleganger, you do bring up some good points. I think anybody could be evil/corrupted, not matter what kind of heart they have, but Raph and Mikey would probably be very hard to turn. A corrupted Leo and Don against Raph and Mikey might be an interesting take on it also.

09-09-2004, 02:17 AM

Sounds very intriguing, Tigershard. It would definetly be an interesting fan fic.

I remember seeing a thread about TMNT British comic that had Shredder and Krang find Evil TMNT from another dimention and pulled them through the portal. It was wierd but funny. I'll try to find the thread.

Also, you should read this TMNT fan comic. Leo fans will love it! The fan fic is about the hidden, dark side of Leo that finnaly comes out. It's beautifully written and will have you hooked!

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1893352/1/

*Whitewolf89* · 09-09-2004, 01:29 PM

Oh, you mean "Bad Places", by Goblin Kat. I've read that one, and it's one of my fave TMNT fics. Suspenseful, and well written. I'm really liking the sequel so far, too, even though it's just up to two chapters so far.

And, thanks to "SILENCE" by our own Raphangela (little plug here, AND for "Bad Places", Part 2), I think we're going to find out what an evil MIKEY might be like, especially given the way the fic is going right now.

Jet-ski_Ninja · 09-09-2004, 03:53 PM

Sorry, guys. But I cannot imagine the turtles bein' evil.

Tigershard · 09-09-2004, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jet-ski_Ninja

Sorry, guys. But I cannot imagine the turtles bein' evil.

What if they all had goatees?

TMNTGal · 09-09-2004, 04:59 PM

I've always wanted to see this in comic or cartoon form. A fan fic would be great too. I've imagined it in my head a few times.

Leo would be wearing an all black ninja uniform...sexy!

Tigershard · 09-09-2004, 05:05 PM

With Leo, I don't think he has to be evil to be "bad". Even just having Leo be more selfish would bring out an interesting side to his character.

Sadako*sCranes · 09-09-2004, 06:46 PM

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With Leo, I don't think he has to be evil to be "bad". Even just having Leo be more selfish would bring out an interesting side to his character.

You mean like going to the ends of the earth stealing varients of Bushido (spelt wrong?) swords to prop up on his walls? That's all I could think of reading your post.

~~[email protected]~~ · 09-09-2004, 06:50 PM

The show would be called Teenage Mutant Evil Ninja Turtles. Leo would use his swords to cut open stuff to steal and when cops would try to stop them don would thow his bow to trip them, raph would use his sais to stick people to the walls and mikey would hit people with his nunchucks or grapling hook. and use their weapons to destroy statues. The turtles would karte people and use their weapons to threat and maybe kill people, like Leo would try to cut them up.

jestergoblin · 09-09-2004, 06:52 PM

As far as the turtles being evil...

Leo would make the perfect assassin.
Don I would see as a "Dark Beast" or Dr. Mengle character.
Raph would become an underground crimelord.

Mikey would... I dunno...

JDavis · 09-09-2004, 07:13 PM

In response to all the confusion about what an Evil Mikey would be like...

Evil Mikey: "Hello, Clarise..."
April: "... My name's not-"
Evil Mikey: "I ate his liver with some Jelly Beans and a nice Pepperoni and Cheese."

Jet-ski_Ninja · 09-10-2004, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Tigershard

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Originally Posted by Jet-ski_Ninja

Sorry, guys. But I cannot imagine the turtles bein' evil.

What if they all had goatees?

Now I can imagine. THEY WOULD TRY TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!

*Buslady* · 09-10-2004, 07:47 AM

maybe this alternate reality thing they're going for next season, we might see an evil TMNT and the foot are the good guys!

Lord Nightwalker · 09-11-2004, 08:51 PM

Good topic. And one the answer to is potentialy interesting.I have evil turtles of my own creation, I have been toying with them in various fics and such...But nothing I've ever finished. So now, I'm using them in a fic I've been working on and letting GreenWillow read through as I move it along. Bosch, I tweaked and made into the fifth brother for artxilla's contest awhile back. They were, as a team, Bosch, Dante, Desade, and Tepes. In the story I'm working on, Bosch isn't a villian, But more a Darker version of our heros.

*heretic888* · 09-13-2004, 04:13 PM

This has been touched upon by Palladium before. In the suplement "Transdimensional TMNT", some of the NPCs in the game were "evil" versions of the TMNT from an alternate universe. I don't have the game myself, though, so I am unfamiliar with the details.

I must add, however, that I always get a chuckle whenever somebody speaks of "good" and "evil" in absolutistic terms.

Hamato Inya · 09-13-2004, 04:18 PM

nooo my imagination failed me!! aaahhhh! ok its back

i cannot imagine an evil Donnie! its jsut weird.... i can imagine an evil Raph and Mikey and maybe an evil Leo... no not really... but Donnie? ha him being a mad scientist with that wild white hair in a lab coat and thick rimmed glasses.... bwahahahahahahaha! ok sry my imagination is to vivid for even me some times

09-08-2004, 08:09 PM	#1
Tigershard Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 469	What if the Turtles were evil...? What I would love to see is a Tales of TMNT issue devoted to some sort of mirror universe turtles that are just down right evil. How would each of the turtles be like? I see Leo as being a cold and calculating killer. Stare him straight in the eyes and you would see death. He would have a very wicked smile, and a lot of scars. Don would be very interesting, because he would use his intelligence to make killing machines, but he may end up just as your typical mad scientist, which could hopefully be avoided Mikey would be someone who would like to play mind games with whoever he is after, and have a crazy laugh And Raph... he would probably just be insane, act like an animal... a very intelligent animal that is. I could see Raph with lots of tattoos What would the plot be? Having the normal TMNT vs the evil TMNT would just be too cliche. Maybe still have the evil TMNT fight Shredder, but for some other reason, like control of the Foot Clan. That might also mean Splinter would be evil, wanting to seek a more satisfying revenge against the Shredder for killing his master.

09-08-2004, 08:59 PM	#3
JDavis Foot Soldier Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ada, OK, USA Posts: 212	I can see this tying in directly with the "If the Turtles never met Splinter" thing. Tang Shen could have fallen for Oroku Nagi instead of Yoshi... The events leading to Nagi's death would not have happened, and so Yoshi (and thus Splinter) would not end up in America. Oroku Saki would not grow up filled with hatred for Hamato Yoshi, would not train near as intensively as in the normal reality, and would likely not be chosen as the head of the New York branch of the Foot. These chains of events would not effect the accident that landed the turtles and canister of "ooze" in the sewer, but without Splinter to raise them, they could have been found by some nut-job and raised very differently.. causing them to be "evil". __________________ Everyone should read MNT Gaiden, by Tigerfog

09-09-2004, 01:29 PM	#6
Whitewolf89 Freedom Fighter and Ninja Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Currently residing in the Turtles' Lair, NYC sewer system, NYC, NY Posts: 2,927	Oh, you mean "Bad Places", by Goblin Kat. I've read that one, and it's one of my fave TMNT fics. Suspenseful, and well written. I'm really liking the sequel so far, too, even though it's just up to two chapters so far. And, thanks to "SILENCE" by our own Raphangela (little plug here, AND for "Bad Places", Part 2), I think we're going to find out what an evil MIKEY might be like, especially given the way the fic is going right now. __________________ Brother against brother...........

09-09-2004, 03:53 PM	#7
Jet-ski_Ninja Foot Soldier Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 189	Sorry, guys. But I cannot imagine the turtles bein' evil. __________________ I'm back!

09-09-2004, 04:59 PM	#9
TMNTGal Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,061	I've always wanted to see this in comic or cartoon form. A fan fic would be great too. I've imagined it in my head a few times. Leo would be wearing an all black ninja uniform...sexy! __________________

09-08-2004, 08:42 PM	#2
Doppleganger Stone Warrior Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 687	Hmm...I remember a certain thread going this way, where the ninja turtles weren't found by Splinter. Someone mentioned what if they were found by Shreddar. He would probably corrupt them. It's plausible and an interesting premise. Especially if someone else had found them. That would probably be the only feasible way they could be "evil". It could happen. I mean people are capable of evil. It's a matter of choice. Though I'm not sure about Mikey he seems to have too good a heart (plus a free spirit) to be evil. Leonardo, yes, I can envision him being a cold assasin who would do the bidding of his master. He is very loyal so yeah it could go that way. Donatello if he was raised differently could be a cold and detached scientist who performs experiments on innocent people. Raphael also plausible he could be a psycho killer fueled by his rage. But also he follows his heart so maybe he wouldn't go down that path. He could infact rebel against his brothers. Michaelangelo, eh no not really. He has too good a heart. He would rebel against them too. This would actually really make a very intriguing fanfiction. Though my thoughts is that this should be in it's proper place in the fanworks section.

09-08-2004, 10:13 PM	#4
Tigershard Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 469	I never checked out that thread, but I do remember seeing it, so my apologies if this is sort of a rehash on an old topic. Doplleganger, you do bring up some good points. I think anybody could be evil/corrupted, not matter what kind of heart they have, but Raph and Mikey would probably be very hard to turn. A corrupted Leo and Don against Raph and Mikey might be an interesting take on it also.

09-09-2004, 02:17 AM	#5
Ryona Guest Posts: n/a	Sounds very intriguing, Tigershard. It would definetly be an interesting fan fic. I remember seeing a thread about TMNT British comic that had Shredder and Krang find Evil TMNT from another dimention and pulled them through the portal. It was wierd but funny. I'll try to find the thread. Also, you should read this TMNT fan comic. Leo fans will love it! The fan fic is about the hidden, dark side of Leo that finnaly comes out. It's beautifully written and will have you hooked! http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1893352/1/

09-09-2004, 05:05 PM	#10
Tigershard Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 469	With Leo, I don't think he has to be evil to be "bad". Even just having Leo be more selfish would bring out an interesting side to his character.

09-09-2004, 06:50 PM	#12
~~[email protected]~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Plymouth NH Posts: 637	The show would be called Teenage Mutant Evil Ninja Turtles. Leo would use his swords to cut open stuff to steal and when cops would try to stop them don would thow his bow to trip them, raph would use his sais to stick people to the walls and mikey would hit people with his nunchucks or grapling hook. and use their weapons to destroy statues. The turtles would karte people and use their weapons to threat and maybe kill people, like Leo would try to cut them up.

09-09-2004, 06:52 PM	#13
jestergoblin Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,466	As far as the turtles being evil... Leo would make the perfect assassin. Don I would see as a "Dark Beast" or Dr. Mengle character. Raph would become an underground crimelord. Mikey would... I dunno...

09-09-2004, 07:13 PM	#14
JDavis Foot Soldier Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ada, OK, USA Posts: 212	In response to all the confusion about what an Evil Mikey would be like... Evil Mikey: "Hello, Clarise..." April: "... My name's not-" Evil Mikey: "I ate his liver with some Jelly Beans and a nice Pepperoni and Cheese." __________________ Everyone should read MNT Gaiden, by Tigerfog

09-10-2004, 07:47 AM	#16
Buslady WingsOfDarkness! Perkele! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In 7803... Posts: 4,366	maybe this alternate reality thing they're going for next season, we might see an evil TMNT and the foot are the good guys! __________________

09-11-2004, 08:51 PM	#17
Lord Nightwalker Stone Warrior Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 698	Good topic. And one the answer to is potentialy interesting.I have evil turtles of my own creation, I have been toying with them in various fics and such...But nothing I've ever finished. So now, I'm using them in a fic I've been working on and letting GreenWillow read through as I move it along. Bosch, I tweaked and made into the fifth brother for artxilla's contest awhile back. They were, as a team, Bosch, Dante, Desade, and Tepes. In the story I'm working on, Bosch isn't a villian, But more a Darker version of our heros.

09-13-2004, 04:13 PM	#18
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	This has been touched upon by Palladium before. In the suplement "Transdimensional TMNT", some of the NPCs in the game were "evil" versions of the TMNT from an alternate universe. I don't have the game myself, though, so I am unfamiliar with the details. I must add, however, that I always get a chuckle whenever somebody speaks of "good" and "evil" in absolutistic terms. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

09-13-2004, 04:18 PM	#19
Hamato Inya Hench Mutant Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: In the minivan behind your house! Ooh ooh I see you! waves Posts: 252	nooo my imagination failed me!! aaahhhh! ok its back i cannot imagine an evil Donnie! its jsut weird.... i can imagine an evil Raph and Mikey and maybe an evil Leo... no not really... but Donnie? ha him being a mad scientist with that wild white hair in a lab coat and thick rimmed glasses.... bwahahahahahahaha! ok sry my imagination is to vivid for even me some times __________________ Mikey: I don’t know what bothers me more… that this thing actually works or that Don carries around a pigeon puppet.