Transformers

Mike · 11-16-2002, 07:31 PM

You watch Armada too? I did til my Cable got cut

Ive heard the past episodes have been tolerable-good.

Shellfox · 11-16-2002, 08:02 PM

I was going to be long winded but I'm to biased, and my hatred of armada knows no bounds, so here
http://www.seibertron.com/energonpub...pic.php?t=3355
http://www.seibertron.com/energonpub...pic.php?t=2711
http://www.seibertron.com/energonpub...pic.php?t=1813

their all fan opinions of the last 3 eps, no restiction on language so use your own judgement before entering

Back to venus, for what she was she was good, past that, she doesn't fit in to most TMNT relms

*Nickokapo* · 11-17-2002, 02:11 AM

Well i liked armada, but i only got 3 eps then decided it wasn't a good enough series to keep getting imo

I dunno...i guess i just liked the original transformers.
AND BEAST WARS II!

(The anime one, not the CGI one, that's beast wars, and i hated it...unlike rid or armada that at least i kinda liked it, the cgi...i just can't stand it

)

Raphael-sama · 11-17-2002, 11:36 AM

Bah. Beast Wars was the greatest Transformers show ever concieved. It won EMMYS, fsck it.

As for Armada... ew ew ew. This is the reason why I joined the TMNT fandom instead of the TF fandom. There comes a point in time where I look onto a member of a fandom in pity, and there's a new Transfan of that ilk every week. The reaction to EVERYTH:ING Armada (show, toys, comic) rivals even the greatest Beast Machines debate. It's a bloody kid's CARTOON, people. Tsk.

Of course, I haven't seen the show myself (argh to YTV! You can bring He-Man and Justice League, you can bloody well bring the new TF show over!), but I enjoyed RiD, and from the words I've heard, the show is that quality lately. Granted, there's quite a few people who obviously won't accept the show unless it surpasses BW overnight, but reh...

And Shellfox: the kids aren't gonna die. If you don't like the show, STOP WATCHING. Hasbro listens to the ratings: if the show is watched alot, the series is obviously working, and it won't change. And besides, it's an Aeon/Takara cartoon. They ALWAYS suck. (RiD was the sole expection, half of it being that Aeon didn't work on it till the very end.)

...god, I need to say that on a TF board. *shrug*

Mouse · 11-17-2002, 06:19 PM

oh? so fellow TF fans? this could be interesting...turtles meet transformers..who knew???

Shellfox · 11-17-2002, 07:56 PM

not that odd I rember seeing a pic somewhere a long time ago of 4 Beast Wars Snappers (Snaping Turtles) that had been retooled into transforming Ninja Turtles. And of course that entire line of tmnt toys that transform into turtles, cars, jets. To a degree it makes sence

as for not watching, I watched every ep of Beast Machines and RiD, despit the fact that the bulk of the eps weren't great, but it was that rare few that were good that kept me hanging on, so I watch every new ep of Armada, and only the new ep, as it stands all but 1 in my opinion has been a waste (the intro of Smoke Screen was the sole good ep for me)

I pray that the humans in the new TMNT show not a complete waste, I am honestly scared of April, its just the look they gave her, she may be cool but after the last batch of revamps I'm causious

*Nickokapo* · 11-17-2002, 09:08 PM

I remember seeing the transformer turtles you mentioned shellfox, i wish i still had the url, they were pretty cool (they weren't official they were customs i think)

**HorseTechie** · 11-18-2002, 10:15 AM

I have yet to see this Armada cartoon, since I don't have cable either. I'll take everyone's word that it's not good.

However... I heard the comic is going to be more promising. I have two issues from Dreamwave so far, and it's okay. The G1 comic and the War Within series are more intriquing.

http://www.dreamwaveprod.ca/!thesite/mainpages/home/home.shtml

Beast wars was really good, in my opinion too. And that does sound like a cool idea... write a TMNT/BW sort of corssover fanfic.. yeah...

Dinogrrl · 11-19-2002, 09:24 PM

Hah Ha! I am a die hard Generation 1 Transformer fan, so anything past that means little to me. As for Armada, yeah the comic will be better in terms of content than the cartoon, but you have to keep in mind that the cartoon is done in the quasi-slapstick style of certain Japanese anime. If you haven't seen much anime, especially these sort, it'll come across as terrible to you. Also, I think people were expecting really dark adult stuff like what popped up in BM, but that's not going to happen again. They already made mistakes catering only to older fans, and got two writers fired in the process.

The cartoon is meant to pull in younger generations of new viewers, not placate older fans. That's what the G1 revival and War Within is for!

Kingkapong · 11-19-2002, 09:26 PM

lol. in canada it was named "beasties". i like the beginning of the series but then i got bored. GUNDAM ROCKS.

~~PWDESAI~~ · 11-19-2002, 09:57 PM

WHEELJACK ROCKS

Greed · 11-19-2002, 10:17 PM

Armada bad, Beast Wars bad ass & Gundam dose rule

Sparvid · 11-20-2002, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by HorseTechie

However... I heard the comic is going to be more promising. I have two issues from Dreamwave so far, and it's okay. The G1 comic and the War Within series are more intriquing.

Aaaaand starting with #6, Simon Furman will be the regular writer! And everybody knows that you can't go wrong with putting Furman as a writer on a TF comic

Shellfox · 11-20-2002, 07:52 AM

The Armada comic was good, but then they put the kids from the toon in it, so it's kinda 50-50 as to it still being good

I love the G1 time line (G1, Beast Wars, Beast Machines, and the endless japeneas series) but RiD is pretty much a waste. Armada is still to soon to say, its suppose to get really good later in the toon according to some of the higher ups, but it depends on what they classify as good

**HorseTechie** · 11-20-2002, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Sparvid

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Originally Posted by HorseTechie

However... I heard the comic is going to be more promising. I have two issues from Dreamwave so far, and it's okay. The G1 comic and the War Within series are more intriquing.

Aaaaand starting with #6, Simon Furman will be the regular writer! And everybody knows that you can't go wrong with putting Furman as a writer on a TF comic

*hehe* Especially if one is more or less found of Prowl too. (Now if they can do something about those typos... )

Raphael-sama · 11-20-2002, 02:57 PM

I still have faith in Armada. RiD got me into Transformers on a massive scale, and since Armada is more of the same, I know I'll be able to enjoy it once I manage to actually WATCH it. And hey, if what the rumours floating about now are true, then I bet when all is said and done we'll have a memorable-not perfect, but memorable, cartoon on our hands. And that's fine with me.

Dinogrrl, THANK YOU. You hit the nail right on the head. You know the reason why we're getting things of Armada and RiD ilk instead of more BW/BM style? Because no one LIKED BM. I thought it was relatively boring, but I never tore into it the way the fandom did in 1999-2000. *shudder* That's why they cancelled Transtech (which was going to continue off from BM) and adopted this Final Fantasy concept. No one liked BM! If a show continued from BM with Saladtron (which could of had SO much done with it), Transfans would riot in the streets! But then, we wouldn't be surprised. EVERY series from G1 Season 3 onward (poor Roddy) has been bashed to hell. G2 perhaps deserved it a bit, but it was the first step to getting TFs from a mere 80s fad into something big. BW got bashed to SH-T and still does so. BM got crapped on so bad it's sickening. RiD has people criticizing the anime style and calling it "kiddy". I-HATE-THAT-WORD. And Armada, oh, poor poor Armada. It's sad, really.

What's also sad is the current 80s revival fad that shows like He-Man, GI Joe and yes, TMNT are hopping on. He-Man hasn't had a TV show since the 80s. TMNT's last show was in 1997 and got the BM treatment by the fans. And yet, lo, 2002, all these 20 year olds hop up and say "Hey, remember all those old shows as a kid?" and start demanding new stuff about it. Look! Retro He-Man! Mirage TMNT! And now everybody expects Transformers to follow suit. Ball-jointed Jazz! Trukk not Munky! And yet Transformers was the only one of these shows to have actually survived long enough without waiting for some fad to hop on. 2004 is the 20th anniversary of G1's creation. And how did the franchise make it that far? Not by doing the exact same thing they did 2 decades. TFs reinvented themselves, broadening the concept and securing a spot in toy aisles for all eternity. The TFs are probably the ones BEHIND this whole 80s revival, and yet it will be the only one that doesn't hop onto the bandwagon. 2004? Not Neo-G1. New concepts, new show (preferably with a tad more thought in it then Armada has currently), new toys. And while TFs keep going, He-Man and all the rest will find that the fad they rode on will be over, and they'll have no where to go. And so they'll be stuck in limbo for another 2 decades until the NEXT batch of nostalgics start up again. Tis the fate.

...god, can someone copy and paste that on the Allspark or something for me? That felt GOOD writing that.

Shellfox · 11-20-2002, 03:45 PM

Slag bubba, thats some impressive review of the situation. But I've always seen and heard the BW was more 50-50 on the scale of people. True it wasn't our versionof G1 but it was still good, and some fans do accnolage that. Hell I've seen convergance after seen the first BW DVD. Yes BM was way to something. It didn't feel right, little real action, to many refences that were shoddy, the charcters were nothing like they were in BW. Personnaly the fact that fox only showed it once hurt it more in my mind. I never got why people said it was to dark emotionaly, it always seemed to dark physically, part of the time I couldn't see them, and the transformations were terrable. RiD as I said I disliked most of the TF shows from Japan, just to "young" for my taste.

But if nothing else there are 2 thing I'm glad the TF gave us
SNAPTRAP, the seacon Turtle and Rhinox and his CHAINGUNS OF DEATH

~~PWDESAI~~ · 11-20-2002, 03:53 PM

well i dunno, you really have to watch g1 then watch armada... You'll see why we expect more out of armada. I know for a fact that most transfans don't like armada because they said how it was going to be real g1 like and then it was a huge let down when it wasn't...
G1 will rule forever!

Raphael-sama · 11-20-2002, 04:00 PM

Cartoon wise, G1 wasn't that better off then Armada. It had all the usual errors of an 80s cartoon: voice flubs, colouring mistakes, faction symbol swip-ups, that sort of ilk. Armada suffers from obviously being under the complete control of Takara and Aeon, who couldn't put together a good cartoon if they prayed to Buddha for it. RiD being the exception, again, because Aeon was kept out of the production. Car Robots was in fact made LESS cartoonish when it was brought over here. This explains why you think they seem too "young", Shellfox. Takara, time after time, aims their cartoons at considerably younger audiences then most American producers do. And when shows like RiD and Armada become hits on the shelves and in the ratings while dark and moody Beast Machines flopped, it gives Hasbro a message. That message is as follows:

Sci-Fi Beast shows with Plots = Baaaaaaad
Bright cel animation done by Japanese and left in Takara's hands = Gooooooood

~~PWDESAI~~ · 11-20-2002, 07:06 PM

i don't htink you mean cartoon wise, i think you mean animation wise, i swear that more than 70% of the people in the world if they were all asked non-biased b/c of memories or anything they would say g1 kicks armada ass and then the other 30% would be like g1 is a tad better, ARMAdA sux0rz

11-16-2002, 07:31 PM	#1
Mike Foot Soldier Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Sewers of N.Y.C. Posts: 202	You watch Armada too? I did til my Cable got cut Ive heard the past episodes have been tolerable-good. __________________ "Ha! You're clastiphobic!" "You want a fist in your mouth? I ain't ever looked at a guy like that!" -Casey Jones, TMNT http://www.geocities.com/newtmnt/

11-17-2002, 02:11 AM	#3
Nickokapo Emperor Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Argentina Posts: 5,802	Well i liked armada, but i only got 3 eps then decided it wasn't a good enough series to keep getting imo I dunno...i guess i just liked the original transformers. AND BEAST WARS II! (The anime one, not the CGI one, that's beast wars, and i hated it...unlike rid or armada that at least i kinda liked it, the cgi...i just can't stand it ) __________________

11-17-2002, 06:19 PM	#5
Mouse Foot Soldier Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Kansas Posts: 156	oh? so fellow TF fans? this could be interesting...turtles meet transformers..who knew??? __________________ So what we're blood brothers now?

11-17-2002, 09:08 PM	#7
Nickokapo Emperor Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Argentina Posts: 5,802	I remember seeing the transformer turtles you mentioned shellfox, i wish i still had the url, they were pretty cool (they weren't official they were customs i think) __________________

11-19-2002, 09:24 PM	#9
Dinogrrl Foot Soldier Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 176	Woot! Hah Ha! I am a die hard Generation 1 Transformer fan, so anything past that means little to me. As for Armada, yeah the comic will be better in terms of content than the cartoon, but you have to keep in mind that the cartoon is done in the quasi-slapstick style of certain Japanese anime. If you haven't seen much anime, especially these sort, it'll come across as terrible to you. Also, I think people were expecting really dark adult stuff like what popped up in BM, but that's not going to happen again. They already made mistakes catering only to older fans, and got two writers fired in the process. The cartoon is meant to pull in younger generations of new viewers, not placate older fans. That's what the G1 revival and War Within is for! __________________ Exceedingly Spherical Goldfish

11-16-2002, 08:02 PM	#2
Shellfox Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,234	I was going to be long winded but I'm to biased, and my hatred of armada knows no bounds, so here http://www.seibertron.com/energonpub...pic.php?t=3355 http://www.seibertron.com/energonpub...pic.php?t=2711 http://www.seibertron.com/energonpub...pic.php?t=1813 their all fan opinions of the last 3 eps, no restiction on language so use your own judgement before entering Back to venus, for what she was she was good, past that, she doesn't fit in to most TMNT relms

11-17-2002, 11:36 AM	#4
Raphael-sama Foot Soldier Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Cah-nah-dah Posts: 155	Bah. Beast Wars was the greatest Transformers show ever concieved. It won EMMYS, fsck it. As for Armada... ew ew ew. This is the reason why I joined the TMNT fandom instead of the TF fandom. There comes a point in time where I look onto a member of a fandom in pity, and there's a new Transfan of that ilk every week. The reaction to EVERYTH:ING Armada (show, toys, comic) rivals even the greatest Beast Machines debate. It's a bloody kid's CARTOON, people. Tsk. Of course, I haven't seen the show myself (argh to YTV! You can bring He-Man and Justice League, you can bloody well bring the new TF show over!), but I enjoyed RiD, and from the words I've heard, the show is that quality lately. Granted, there's quite a few people who obviously won't accept the show unless it surpasses BW overnight, but reh... And Shellfox: the kids aren't gonna die. If you don't like the show, STOP WATCHING. Hasbro listens to the ratings: if the show is watched alot, the series is obviously working, and it won't change. And besides, it's an Aeon/Takara cartoon. They ALWAYS suck. (RiD was the sole expection, half of it being that Aeon didn't work on it till the very end.) ...god, I need to say that on a TF board. shrug

11-17-2002, 07:56 PM	#6
Shellfox Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,234	not that odd I rember seeing a pic somewhere a long time ago of 4 Beast Wars Snappers (Snaping Turtles) that had been retooled into transforming Ninja Turtles. And of course that entire line of tmnt toys that transform into turtles, cars, jets. To a degree it makes sence as for not watching, I watched every ep of Beast Machines and RiD, despit the fact that the bulk of the eps weren't great, but it was that rare few that were good that kept me hanging on, so I watch every new ep of Armada, and only the new ep, as it stands all but 1 in my opinion has been a waste (the intro of Smoke Screen was the sole good ep for me) I pray that the humans in the new TMNT show not a complete waste, I am honestly scared of April, its just the look they gave her, she may be cool but after the last batch of revamps I'm causious

11-18-2002, 10:15 AM	#8
HorseTechie Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Midwest Posts: 5,677	I have yet to see this Armada cartoon, since I don't have cable either. I'll take everyone's word that it's not good. However... I heard the comic is going to be more promising. I have two issues from Dreamwave so far, and it's okay. The G1 comic and the War Within series are more intriquing. http://www.dreamwaveprod.ca/!thesite/mainpages/home/home.shtml Beast wars was really good, in my opinion too. And that does sound like a cool idea... write a TMNT/BW sort of corssover fanfic.. yeah...

11-19-2002, 09:26 PM	#10
Kingkapong Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2002 Location: T.O. Canada Posts: 548	lol. in canada it was named "beasties". i like the beginning of the series but then i got bored. GUNDAM ROCKS. __________________ Go leafs go!

11-19-2002, 09:57 PM	#11
~~PWDESAI~~ Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,873	WHEELJACK ROCKS

11-19-2002, 10:17 PM	#12
Greed Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Chicago, ILL Posts: 931	Armada bad, Beast Wars bad ass & Gundam dose rule

11-20-2002, 07:52 AM	#14
Shellfox Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,234	The Armada comic was good, but then they put the kids from the toon in it, so it's kinda 50-50 as to it still being good I love the G1 time line (G1, Beast Wars, Beast Machines, and the endless japeneas series) but RiD is pretty much a waste. Armada is still to soon to say, its suppose to get really good later in the toon according to some of the higher ups, but it depends on what they classify as good

11-20-2002, 02:57 PM	#16
Raphael-sama Foot Soldier Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Cah-nah-dah Posts: 155	I still have faith in Armada. RiD got me into Transformers on a massive scale, and since Armada is more of the same, I know I'll be able to enjoy it once I manage to actually WATCH it. And hey, if what the rumours floating about now are true, then I bet when all is said and done we'll have a memorable-not perfect, but memorable, cartoon on our hands. And that's fine with me. Dinogrrl, THANK YOU. You hit the nail right on the head. You know the reason why we're getting things of Armada and RiD ilk instead of more BW/BM style? Because no one LIKED BM. I thought it was relatively boring, but I never tore into it the way the fandom did in 1999-2000. shudder That's why they cancelled Transtech (which was going to continue off from BM) and adopted this Final Fantasy concept. No one liked BM! If a show continued from BM with Saladtron (which could of had SO much done with it), Transfans would riot in the streets! But then, we wouldn't be surprised. EVERY series from G1 Season 3 onward (poor Roddy) has been bashed to hell. G2 perhaps deserved it a bit, but it was the first step to getting TFs from a mere 80s fad into something big. BW got bashed to SH-T and still does so. BM got crapped on so bad it's sickening. RiD has people criticizing the anime style and calling it "kiddy". I-HATE-THAT-WORD. And Armada, oh, poor poor Armada. It's sad, really. What's also sad is the current 80s revival fad that shows like He-Man, GI Joe and yes, TMNT are hopping on. He-Man hasn't had a TV show since the 80s. TMNT's last show was in 1997 and got the BM treatment by the fans. And yet, lo, 2002, all these 20 year olds hop up and say "Hey, remember all those old shows as a kid?" and start demanding new stuff about it. Look! Retro He-Man! Mirage TMNT! And now everybody expects Transformers to follow suit. Ball-jointed Jazz! Trukk not Munky! And yet Transformers was the only one of these shows to have actually survived long enough without waiting for some fad to hop on. 2004 is the 20th anniversary of G1's creation. And how did the franchise make it that far? Not by doing the exact same thing they did 2 decades. TFs reinvented themselves, broadening the concept and securing a spot in toy aisles for all eternity. The TFs are probably the ones BEHIND this whole 80s revival, and yet it will be the only one that doesn't hop onto the bandwagon. 2004? Not Neo-G1. New concepts, new show (preferably with a tad more thought in it then Armada has currently), new toys. And while TFs keep going, He-Man and all the rest will find that the fad they rode on will be over, and they'll have no where to go. And so they'll be stuck in limbo for another 2 decades until the NEXT batch of nostalgics start up again. Tis the fate. ...god, can someone copy and paste that on the Allspark or something for me? That felt GOOD writing that.

11-20-2002, 03:45 PM	#17
Shellfox Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,234	Slag bubba, thats some impressive review of the situation. But I've always seen and heard the BW was more 50-50 on the scale of people. True it wasn't our versionof G1 but it was still good, and some fans do accnolage that. Hell I've seen convergance after seen the first BW DVD. Yes BM was way to something. It didn't feel right, little real action, to many refences that were shoddy, the charcters were nothing like they were in BW. Personnaly the fact that fox only showed it once hurt it more in my mind. I never got why people said it was to dark emotionaly, it always seemed to dark physically, part of the time I couldn't see them, and the transformations were terrable. RiD as I said I disliked most of the TF shows from Japan, just to "young" for my taste. But if nothing else there are 2 thing I'm glad the TF gave us SNAPTRAP, the seacon Turtle and Rhinox and his CHAINGUNS OF DEATH

11-20-2002, 03:53 PM	#18
~~PWDESAI~~ Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,873	well i dunno, you really have to watch g1 then watch armada... You'll see why we expect more out of armada. I know for a fact that most transfans don't like armada because they said how it was going to be real g1 like and then it was a huge let down when it wasn't... G1 will rule forever!

11-20-2002, 04:00 PM	#19
Raphael-sama Foot Soldier Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Cah-nah-dah Posts: 155	Cartoon wise, G1 wasn't that better off then Armada. It had all the usual errors of an 80s cartoon: voice flubs, colouring mistakes, faction symbol swip-ups, that sort of ilk. Armada suffers from obviously being under the complete control of Takara and Aeon, who couldn't put together a good cartoon if they prayed to Buddha for it. RiD being the exception, again, because Aeon was kept out of the production. Car Robots was in fact made LESS cartoonish when it was brought over here. This explains why you think they seem too "young", Shellfox. Takara, time after time, aims their cartoons at considerably younger audiences then most American producers do. And when shows like RiD and Armada become hits on the shelves and in the ratings while dark and moody Beast Machines flopped, it gives Hasbro a message. That message is as follows: Sci-Fi Beast shows with Plots = Baaaaaaad Bright cel animation done by Japanese and left in Takara's hands = Gooooooood

11-20-2002, 07:06 PM	#20
~~PWDESAI~~ Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,873	i don't htink you mean cartoon wise, i think you mean animation wise, i swear that more than 70% of the people in the world if they were all asked non-biased b/c of memories or anything they would say g1 kicks armada ass and then the other 30% would be like g1 is a tad better, ARMAdA sux0rz