Batman:A Death In The Family

Shadow Leonardo · 05-01-2005, 12:33 PM

This was started in 1989, then got it's TPB and it was a great read.Jason Todd finds his mom, in a village or camping gorund of some sort in this issue while he and Batman are trying to find the Joker in a hide out.Robin gets too full of himself and the Jokers men start to weaken him though, Robin went through them luckily.He finds his mom is tied and the Joker arrives and since Robin is hurt the Joker brutally beats him with a crobar brutally.Right in front of his poor mother too.The Joker leaves and sets a time bomb and Robin shields himslef and his mother his his cape.When Batman arrives he sees their dead corpses, the Joker has won this time.In the final of this issue Batman thinks back of him and Jason Todd.He wants revenge on the Joker both he and Superman foil his next plot, and the Joker is plummeted in the sea.Luckily Jason Todd is ressurected and gets his revenge on The Joker.

*Anarky* · 05-01-2005, 12:42 PM

Was the last part a Spoiler?

And now what? What do you expect us to do with that given intelligence?

And I do think that dead characters should stay dead. Including Jason "I'm a moron" Todd.

*DrSpengler* · 05-01-2005, 05:03 PM

Yeah, it was a pretty good read. If Todd hadn't died we never wouldn't gotten Tim, and he's my favorite of all the Robins. So for that, I'm thankful.

In regards to Jason Todd returning as the new Red Hood, I think it has potential. It's been a long time since Batman got a good NEW rogue. Hush is so convuluted and contradictory he's hardly worth appreciating, and Black Mask took more than 10 years to become cool. The Red Hood has already proven himself to be a pretty sweet adversary; and under Winnick's pen, I can't see him going downhill any time soon.

My only complain about bringing Todd back is the principle. The fans voted that he die. It was a poll that Jason Todd DIE, not disappear for 15 years and then come back.

~~BartAllen~~ · 05-02-2005, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Shadow Leonardo

This was started in 1989, then got it's TPB and it was a great read.Jason Todd finds his mom, in a village or camping gorund of some sort in this issue while he and Batman are trying to find the Joker in a hide out.Robin gets too full of himself and the Jokers men start to weaken him though, Robin went through them luckily.He finds his mom is tied and the Joker arrives and since Robin is hurt the Joker brutally beats him with a crobar brutally.Right in front of his poor mother too.The Joker leaves and sets a time bomb and Robin shields himslef and his mother his his cape.When Batman arrives he sees their dead corpses, the Joker has won this time.In the final of this issue Batman thinks back of him and Jason Todd.He wants revenge on the Joker both he and Superman foil his next plot, and the Joker is plummeted in the sea.Luckily Jason Todd is ressurected and gets his revenge on The Joker.

hell yeah. it was so cool seeing jason bashing the joker with a crobar. great post.

*Anarky* · 05-02-2005, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DrSpengler

My only complain about bringing Todd back is the principle. The fans voted that he die. It was a poll that Jason Todd DIE, not disappear for 15 years and then come back.

So he is back? Damn you DC. I mean if the fans don't want a character in their universe, then don't shove him down their throats. Don't resurrect him, don't make him somebody else, don't ever think about him again. Just let the character be dead.

Same goes with that blasted idiot who always kills off and brings back Jean Grey.

*ZariusTwo* · 05-13-2005, 01:32 PM

Jason's character, Hush, works better, I might not like the motivation behind bringing him back, (the same as I just laugh at blatant retcon marketing ploys like "Countdown To Infinite Cri$i$") but the idea of a renegade, dejected Robin, and most notibly that Robin being the most despised, makes for some great stories.

Demented Utrom · 05-13-2005, 01:37 PM

I don't know why they bother, killing off a character then bringing back, later.
These are the same guys, that killed off Superman then brought him later.
Just for some odd storyline, bringing in Doomsday.
Killed off Characters, I think should stay dead.

*Anarky* · 05-13-2005, 01:49 PM

Well, you can't just kill off an icon like Superman. With the Blue Beetle the situation is different. He won't come back too soon.

As for the "Why"-part, I think they do it to keep readers interested. They should be very eager to pick up the next issue hence all those cliffhangers in the end of comic books. They want to mae money with that.

An example: Jean Grey. I know that woman has died like a thousand times now and that she sort of has this habit. Dying. What a hooby

. Well, anyways, she dies the reader goes "Oh heck, what will Scott and Logan do?" And then they read the next issues. Then someone thinks that it's about time to bring her back because of some reason and develops some rather farfetched story about how Jean comes back (Phoenix-Powers... right). Then the reader goes "Oh wow, Jean is coming back. I wonder how the X-Men will react on her return" and then they read on.

Only problem with Jean Grey is that she dies almost once a year.

Jason Todd on the other hand should stay dead. The fans did not want him, so just leave him dead. Let Batman hold that grudge against the Joker forever. I mean, that has had a tremendous impact on Bruce. Sure, he has enough with Essen and Barbara, but a Robin plays on a whole different level.

Demented Utrom · 05-13-2005, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Anarky

Well, you can't just kill off an icon like Superman. With the Blue Beetle the situation is different. He won't come back too soon.

As for the "Why"-part, I think they do it to keep readers interested. They should be very eager to pick up the next issue hence all those cliffhangers in the end of comic books. They want to mae money with that.

An example: Jean Grey. I know that woman has died like a thousand times now and that she sort of has this habit. Dying. What a hooby

. Well, anyways, she dies the reader goes "Oh heck, what will Scott and Logan do?" And then they read the next issues. Then someone thinks that it's about time to bring her back because of some reason and develops some rather farfetched story about how Jean comes back (Phoenix-Powers... right). Then the reader goes "Oh wow, Jean is coming back. I wonder how the X-Men will react on her return" and then they read on.

Only problem with Jean Grey is that she dies almost once a year.

Jason Todd on the other hand should stay dead. The fans did not want him, so just leave him dead. Let Batman hold that grudge against the Joker forever. I mean, that has had a tremendous impact on Bruce. Sure, he has enough with Essen and Barbara, but a Robin plays on a whole different level.

Yeah my opinion if they have to kill one character, off a thousand times.My reponse is time to hire new writers.
If they can't think of anything else, to do with said character.
Superman, one DC got tons of backlash ,for killing off Superman.
Two they would never do that again ever.

*Brodie* · 05-13-2005, 02:08 PM

Spoilers, maybe, doubt it.

Jason Todd's return in the newer issues of Batman is good. It isn't as hard an impact as the Hush lie, but still, its good. Jason seems better, funnier, more like a real person who got ****ed over.

And to what you said about you cant killl someone like Superman:

Marvel killed many of the Avengers, the most popular of which, Hawkeye, and won't bring them back....

My only goal in life is to see the most badass issue of Avengers where all of them are about to die, and then the killer is shot in the face with an arrow, and low-n-behold, it's Hawkeye.

*Anarky* · 05-13-2005, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Brodie

Spoilers, maybe, doubt it.

Jason Todd's return in the newer issues of Batman is good. It isn't as hard an impact as the Hush lie, but still, its good. Jason seems better, funnier, more like a real person who got ****ed over.

Hush lie?

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Marvel killed many of the Avengers, the most popular of which, Hawkeye, and won't bring them back....

Remembers me of Colossus and Psylocke. They're back, aren't they?

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My only goal in life is to see the most badass issue of Avengers where all of them are about to die, and then the killer is shot in the face with an arrow, and low-n-behold, it's Hawkeye.

Next august the latest.

Demented Utrom · 05-13-2005, 02:19 PM

You mean Captain America,Iron Man.Hawkeye,and Vision.
Do they still fight the Red Skull, or new villians.
My opinion is don't break up famous teams, like the Avengers or the X-men.
Is it new people, now or the same guys.

*Anarky* · 05-13-2005, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Demented Utrom

You mean Captain America,Iron Man.Hawkeye,and Vision.

No, at this point the avengers consist of Captain America, Iron Man, Wolverine (yes, him again), Spider-Man, Luke Cage, Spider-Woman and The Sentry

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My opinion is don't break up famous teams, like the Avengers or the X-men.
Is it new people, now or the same guys.

A new active roster can be pretty interesting. Let's tkae DC's Outsiders. They basically are the same people from the old Titans, but they get the chance to develop their character. I mean, look at Arsenal.

*DrSpengler* · 05-13-2005, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Anarky

Hush lie?

He think he was referring to the issue of Hush where Jason Todd turned out to be Clayface incognito.

That was a bit of a let-down, but I prefer the Red Hood-Jason over the Hush-Jason anyway.

Spoiler:

*ZariusTwo* · 05-13-2005, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Demented Utrom

Superman, one DC got tons of backlash ,for killing off Superman.
Two they would never do that again ever.

Do you have ANY understanding on the concept and motivations of a publicity stunt? Superman's death was always intended to gain attention, AND to be retconned once circulation expanded...christ...

*DrSpengler* · 05-13-2005, 06:04 PM

The Death of Superman was never intended to be a permanent thing, it was just a big event series that sent ripples over the entire DCU.

It was supposed to be "shocking" in a way. Superman survives Luthor, he survives Brainiac, he survives Bizzaro, and then all of a sudden this monster shows up out of nowhere and beats him to a pulp.

It was also meant to show you what life in the DCU would be like if Superman died. Character and public reactions, the funeral, etc. World Without a Superman was almost agonzing to read, not because it was poorly written or anything, but because Superman was dead and you were aching for him to come back.

Reign of the Supermen gave us some great new characters (Steel stands as probably the best of the Superman and Superboy EVENTUALLY got cool) as well as a very epic storyline befitting a Superman title. Not only that, but the story effected the entire DCU. Coast City got annihilated, Hal Jordan went crazy, he became Parallax, he tried to rewrite history, etc.

Hell, Hal JUST came back from dead. The effects are STILL being felt in comics today.

The Death of Superman was a publicity stunt meant to attract readers and make money, but we got a good story out of it which had lasting effects on the entire DCU. I say it's an even trade.

05-01-2005, 12:33 PM	#1
Shadow Leonardo Foot Soldier Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Realizing that being a freshman stinks Posts: 145	Batman:A Death In The Family This was started in 1989, then got it's TPB and it was a great read.Jason Todd finds his mom, in a village or camping gorund of some sort in this issue while he and Batman are trying to find the Joker in a hide out.Robin gets too full of himself and the Jokers men start to weaken him though, Robin went through them luckily.He finds his mom is tied and the Joker arrives and since Robin is hurt the Joker brutally beats him with a crobar brutally.Right in front of his poor mother too.The Joker leaves and sets a time bomb and Robin shields himslef and his mother his his cape.When Batman arrives he sees their dead corpses, the Joker has won this time.In the final of this issue Batman thinks back of him and Jason Todd.He wants revenge on the Joker both he and Superman foil his next plot, and the Joker is plummeted in the sea.Luckily Jason Todd is ressurected and gets his revenge on The Joker. __________________ Dooku:"You have anger,you have hate, but you don't use them."

05-01-2005, 12:42 PM	#2
Anarky Outlaw Hero Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Tannhauser Gate Posts: 4,867	Was the last part a Spoiler? And now what? What do you expect us to do with that given intelligence? And I do think that dead characters should stay dead. Including Jason "I'm a moron" Todd. __________________ Because it's... I dunno... brutal.

05-13-2005, 01:32 PM	#6
ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,453	Jason's character, Hush, works better, I might not like the motivation behind bringing him back, (the same as I just laugh at blatant retcon marketing ploys like "Countdown To Infinite Cri$i$") but the idea of a renegade, dejected Robin, and most notibly that Robin being the most despised, makes for some great stories. __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks

05-13-2005, 01:49 PM	#8
Anarky Outlaw Hero Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Tannhauser Gate Posts: 4,867	Well, you can't just kill off an icon like Superman. With the Blue Beetle the situation is different. He won't come back too soon. As for the "Why"-part, I think they do it to keep readers interested. They should be very eager to pick up the next issue hence all those cliffhangers in the end of comic books. They want to mae money with that. An example: Jean Grey. I know that woman has died like a thousand times now and that she sort of has this habit. Dying. What a hooby . Well, anyways, she dies the reader goes "Oh heck, what will Scott and Logan do?" And then they read the next issues. Then someone thinks that it's about time to bring her back because of some reason and develops some rather farfetched story about how Jean comes back (Phoenix-Powers... right). Then the reader goes "Oh wow, Jean is coming back. I wonder how the X-Men will react on her return" and then they read on. Only problem with Jean Grey is that she dies almost once a year. Jason Todd on the other hand should stay dead. The fans did not want him, so just leave him dead. Let Batman hold that grudge against the Joker forever. I mean, that has had a tremendous impact on Bruce. Sure, he has enough with Essen and Barbara, but a Robin plays on a whole different level. __________________ Because it's... I dunno... brutal.

05-13-2005, 02:08 PM	#10
Brodie Certified Teacher Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Bizarro Metropolis Posts: 6,495	Spoilers, maybe, doubt it. Jason Todd's return in the newer issues of Batman is good. It isn't as hard an impact as the Hush lie, but still, its good. Jason seems better, funnier, more like a real person who got ****ed over. And to what you said about you cant killl someone like Superman: Marvel killed many of the Avengers, the most popular of which, Hawkeye, and won't bring them back.... My only goal in life is to see the most badass issue of Avengers where all of them are about to die, and then the killer is shot in the face with an arrow, and low-n-behold, it's Hawkeye. __________________ Stupendous Monster

05-01-2005, 05:03 PM	#3
DrSpengler Foot Elite Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,842	Yeah, it was a pretty good read. If Todd hadn't died we never wouldn't gotten Tim, and he's my favorite of all the Robins. So for that, I'm thankful. In regards to Jason Todd returning as the new Red Hood, I think it has potential. It's been a long time since Batman got a good NEW rogue. Hush is so convuluted and contradictory he's hardly worth appreciating, and Black Mask took more than 10 years to become cool. The Red Hood has already proven himself to be a pretty sweet adversary; and under Winnick's pen, I can't see him going downhill any time soon. My only complain about bringing Todd back is the principle. The fans voted that he die. It was a poll that Jason Todd DIE, not disappear for 15 years and then come back.

05-13-2005, 01:37 PM	#7
Demented Utrom Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 474	I don't know why they bother, killing off a character then bringing back, later. These are the same guys, that killed off Superman then brought him later. Just for some odd storyline, bringing in Doomsday. Killed off Characters, I think should stay dead.

05-13-2005, 02:19 PM	#12
Demented Utrom Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 474	You mean Captain America,Iron Man.Hawkeye,and Vision. Do they still fight the Red Skull, or new villians. My opinion is don't break up famous teams, like the Avengers or the X-men. Is it new people, now or the same guys.

05-13-2005, 06:04 PM	#16
DrSpengler Foot Elite Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,842	The Death of Superman was never intended to be a permanent thing, it was just a big event series that sent ripples over the entire DCU. It was supposed to be "shocking" in a way. Superman survives Luthor, he survives Brainiac, he survives Bizzaro, and then all of a sudden this monster shows up out of nowhere and beats him to a pulp. It was also meant to show you what life in the DCU would be like if Superman died. Character and public reactions, the funeral, etc. World Without a Superman was almost agonzing to read, not because it was poorly written or anything, but because Superman was dead and you were aching for him to come back. Reign of the Supermen gave us some great new characters (Steel stands as probably the best of the Superman and Superboy EVENTUALLY got cool) as well as a very epic storyline befitting a Superman title. Not only that, but the story effected the entire DCU. Coast City got annihilated, Hal Jordan went crazy, he became Parallax, he tried to rewrite history, etc. Hell, Hal JUST came back from dead. The effects are STILL being felt in comics today. The Death of Superman was a publicity stunt meant to attract readers and make money, but we got a good story out of it which had lasting effects on the entire DCU. I say it's an even trade.