Who would have won?

[Duke]

If Usagi and Leo hadn't been prematurely removed from the Battle Nexus Tournament who would have won?

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

Usagi. He's better trained. Also, Peter Laird said it himself, it a fight between one of the Turtles and Usagi broke out, Usagi would win.

[TheGreenMagic]

Makes you wonder how Usagi would fair against Bishop, Shredder or Splinter...

[stege-chan]

Uwaaaa...Usagi vs. Bishop. I would TOTALLY love to see that! <3

Good times, and I'm sure there would be angst involved *noddles*

[Masked Ninja]

As much as I'd like to see Leo take it, I voted Usagi. That rabbit kicks some serious trash. However, I've always wondered if Leo's poisoning was a convenient plot device to remove the necessity of showing who would win between Leo and Usagi. I mean, their match is nullified, and Mikey gets to take center stage for once! It all works out!

Though now that I think about it, I could see Leo and Usagi sparring multiple times and each getting the better of the other on occasion. I tend to think of 'em as equally skilled, but Usagi is more used to the Battle Nexus environment... eh, whatever. I'm stickin' with the bunny.

Ooooh! It's tough for me to say!

I would say the winner would be either Leo or Usagi. They seem evenly matched and the victory could go either way.

Though, if it's true what ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael (damn, that's a long name) said about Peter Laird saying that Usagi would beat any of the TMNT in a fight (I guess that includes even Leonardo), I guess it would ultimately be Usagi.

Though I do believe that while Usagi is a better swordsman than Leo, I would also believe that Leo is a better unarmed fighter.


Mikey is an amazing fighter, but I think the only way he could get passed Leo and Usagi is if they gave him the match like Splinter did.

[lambofun]

Usagi is more trained againest Leo.

[Fledermaus]

The Wabbit, of course...

[Sage Ninja]

Usagi all the way whoo-hoo!!

Man that Rabbit is awsome I love him to pieces and Leonardo and him have such a great understanding and rapport with one another, I love their scenes!

Why is Mikey even up their on the poll?

[Blondus]

Usagi. Better disciplined, better trained. Reminds me abit of Jin from Saurai Champloo...

Originally Posted by Sage Ninja

Why is Mikey even up their on the poll?

That's what I'm wondering too. The fact that Mikey has got any votes period is ridiculous. I seriously doubt Leo or Usagi would have been as generous towards Mikey as Splinter was and just give him the win.

[Anarky]

Originally Posted by Ryona

Though, if it's true what ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael (damn, that's a long name) said about Peter Laird saying that Usagi would beat any of the TMNT in a fight (I guess that includes even Leonardo), I guess it would ultimately be Usagi.

Usagi would win. Peter is one of the people who create canon, and that's a fact. Therefore, Leonardo would not win. Usagi would.

Hehe... this sounded almost like the people who still think that Harry Potter and Hermione Granger will end up in love, despite the fact, that Joan K. Rowling, the author (=canon) said that it would be Ron Weasley and Hermione. There is no arguing with canon.

[Fledermaus]

Originally Posted by Anarky

Usagi would win. Peter is one of the people who create canon, and that's a fact. Therefore, Leonardo would not win. Usagi would.

Hehe... this sounded almost like the people who still think that Harry Potter and Hermione Granger will end up in love, despite the fact, that Joan K. Rowling, the author (=canon) said that it would be Ron Weasley and Hermione. There is no arguing with canon.

Canon? I have never heard the word used this way.

[Rhane]

I voted for the bunny. If Peter Laird said it then there's no fighting it in my book.

[Sewer Bull]

Usagi. Because he is oh-so-marvelous.

It's funny Mikey's got more votes than Leo...

Originally Posted by Sewer Bull

It's funny Mikey's got more votes than Leo...

That's because people are being biased and choosing Mikey because he happens to be their favorite.


My fave happens to be Leo, but I would still vote for Usagi if Laird says he's better than Leo. Even by a little bit.


Though I do wonder...

Seeing as the series is about the TMNT, and since Leo is the leading character of the series, it would make sense that he would win where as if it was an Usagi Yojimbo series that the TMNT guest starred in, the win would go to the leading character, Usagi.

[Sewer Bull]

Letting Usagi win in TMNT series would be some kind of tribute paid to Stan Sakai by Peter Laird, methinks.

Hmm... 2/12/8... Mikey's rating has boosted up. Maybe he's going to surprisingly win that poll, as he won Battle Nexus.

[Anarky]

Originally Posted by Fledermaus

Canon? I have never heard the word used this way.

"Canon (fiction), the body of works that are considered to be "genuine" or "official" within a certain fictional universe. In many instances, it's mistaken for 'cannon', which has of course an entirely different meaning." - Wiki

An easy example of canon and non-canon would be the following.

Canon
Leonardo
Raphael
Donatello
Michelangelo
Splinter
Usagi

Non-canon
Benvenuto
Iron Fist
Leonardo the second
raphsgirl's character
...

Originally Posted by Ryona

Seeing as the series is about the TMNT, and since Leo is the leading character of the series, it would make sense that he would win where as if it was an Usagi Yojimbo series that the TMNT guest starred in, the win would go to the leading character, Usagi.

Uhm... this is getting a tad self-contradictory. In the other thread you go all "Look at the facts" and now you try to interpret the facts in a new way. I'd stick with your first view on things.

And just because it's the TMNT's toon doesn't mean they can't be defeated there. On the contrary, that makes them even more humane in my book. If they unbeatable, what would be the point of all the episode-watching we do and having emotional breakdowns when we see Mikey with only one arm?

[longing for leo]

Usagi would win. Peter is one of the people who create canon, and that's a fact. Therefore, Leonardo would not win. Usagi would.

Hmm, but he's made changes before. I voted Leo, & not just cause he's my fav. I don't think that there's anything to suggest that Usagi has had more training than Leo. All we ever see Leo doing is train, & Usagi seems to be more of a guard or nomad or something (in this show). Plus, Leo's just so focused and intent on being the best that he can be...and better. It's likely that they are evenly matched skill wise, but it seems like Leo has more drive. Yes it would be predictable, which might be why he got poisoned. I admit, it would be very interesting to see Leo's reaction if he really had lost the turnament, proving to himself & everyone else that he's really not the best. Me thinks he'd be sulking for a while...Although, if one of his bros or even Usagi won, he'd probably swallow his pride/bitter feelings and show them nothing but support.

Hehe... this sounded almost like the people who still think that Harry Potter and Hermione Granger will end up in love, despite the fact, that Joan K. Rowling, the author (=canon) said that it would be Ron Weasley and Hermione. There is no arguing with canon.

Hey, watch who you're laughing at! Some of us simply wish that it would be, while admiting that JK is the boss. But...if you've seen the 4th movie, you've got to admit there were some touching moments/chemistry between those 2. I'm just saying it seems like they would work...but that's way off topic. It's not my fault! I was baited! jk

[Duke]

Originally Posted by Sage Ninja

Why is Mikey even up their on the poll?

I included Mikey based on the fact that he was the actual winner. Although, I honestly can't believe 8 people voted for him.

Personally, I voted for Usagi even though I've never heard Laird say he is a better fighter and Leonardo is my favorite character. I took him based on the fact that he came there expecting to be in the tournament. Meaning he actually trained for it, while the turtles sort of just chanced into competing.