to clear up confusions about the new show...

krzysztof · 12-12-2002, 02:20 PM

Hi folks, I've been browsing this forum for months and have finally decided to post in order to clear up the questions and misunderstandings about the new TMNT cartoon show. No, I am not an authority on this, and am not in any way associated with Mirage, just a big fan of the original Mirage comics series.

From what I can tell by reading the synopsis on the official site, the new series will closely mirror the original comic book, which ran for 62 issues. For those of you who have not read it, here is a quick rundown.

In the first issue the Turtles fight the Purple Dragon gang (just like in the mini-comic in the Fox Box), they later retire to the sewer where Splinter tells them their origin, which is much more like the first film in which Splinter was originally a rat, not a human. The last part of the issue features a battle with the Foot Clan, who are actual ninjas, not robots, and Shredder, and Shredder is apparently killed.

The second issue begins with Baxter Stockman, who is indeed a black man like in the new series, and his assistant April, who is most definitely not a news reporter. Baxter is manufacturing Mousers, which he uses to extort money from businesses. When April discovers his plans Baxter sends his mousers after her and she escapes into the sewers under his lab. The Turtles rescue April and make their first human friend. They later return to Baxters lab and succeed in stopping him.

A couple issues later the Turtles are lead to a mysterioius building which bears the logo of that was on the canister that mutated them. They break into the building and discover their master Splinter in suspended animation. The engage in a short battle with alien/cyborgs who look a lot like Krang from the cartoon series, and are later revealed to be called Utroms. During the battle the Turtles are accidentally transported to another world where they meet Dr. Honeycutt, aka the Fugitoid, and end up in the middle of a war between the Triceratons and the human Federats to gain control of the technology that Fugitoid posesses. The Turtles are captured by the Triceratons and are made to fight in an arena vs Triceraton gladiators. The Turtles win and manage to escape the arena and take the Triceraton president hostage. Suddenly they are transported back to the Utrom compound, along with some Triceratons and another battle ensues. When the dust clears, the Turtles make friends with the Utrom aliens and are then transported back home.

The best parts of the first series are issues 1-10 and 19-21. The Return to New York storyline takes place in 19-21, where the Turtles come back to face the Shredder again, who has managed to reinicarnate himself.

There's much more to tell, and I strongly suggest checking out the old comics before watching the new show. The main difference between the original comics and the old show is the mature tone of the books. The tone was somewhat captured in the first live action movie, and I'm hoping that the new show follows that model.

**Karpo_007** · 12-12-2002, 02:24 PM

Nice to see more Mirage fans here! I myself bought the Whole first volume + the specials few months back. Only Mirage TMNT comics I miss are Volume 2 issues 4-10 and I have ordered those.

As I hope the new show would be like The Mirage, you have to understand that it's targeted for kids, and shown in saturday mornings. Some compromises will be made. But one thing is clear: It won't be anything like the old cartoon.

*Anarchistguy* · 12-12-2002, 02:27 PM

Don't you worry about that! it won't!!

**Karpo_007** · 12-12-2002, 02:34 PM

Well it won't be the Mirage Universe 100%, but I can live with that. It will be it's own universe, So probably not everything from Mirage is going to exatly same. But it will make rules for it, it will be more serious than the old cartoon and will have a real plot.

Aztec General · 12-12-2002, 02:37 PM

Welcome!

It's awfully nice to see another Mirage fan around here. I love the issues you mentioned. But I think the best Mirage storyline was "City At War" issues 50-62 Vol.1. It provided a deep look into every major character. Storytelling at its best.

**Karpo_007** · 12-12-2002, 02:38 PM

So I have have heard. Still many issue to go until I can read the City at war..

*heretic888* · 12-12-2002, 03:03 PM

Well, issues 48 to 49, the "Shades of Grey" storyarch, were sort of a prelude to City at War.... so its really issues 48 to 62. damn, a fifteen issue story..... epic.

**Karpo_007** · 12-12-2002, 03:05 PM

Well the First 10 aren't that bad either...

*Anarchistguy* · 12-12-2002, 03:58 PM

What do you mean?? They're great!

**Karpo_007** · 12-12-2002, 04:05 PM

That was my point...

Mike · 12-12-2002, 05:04 PM

Yea, another Mirage fan! Welcome! I haven't read many, but I plan on buying 'em all when I get a job.

~~Tokka-B~~ · 12-12-2002, 05:41 PM

Hey, welcome!!! Good to have someone mature join and that can handle the urge to hit someone with a "mini-bo"

**Hands you a melting mango** Quick eat it!!!

Aztec General · 12-12-2002, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Karpo_007

Well the First 10 aren't that bad either...

Not bad, they're awesome!

Return to New York is a close second for me too. The artwork in RTNK is just amazing. Long live the Republic!!!!!!!!!!!

**Karpo_007** · 12-13-2002, 05:51 AM

True. I really Love Return to New York. I have heard that City at War is even better, so that must be really something.

**HorseTechie** · 12-13-2002, 10:35 AM

Yeah... I'm a Mirage fan myself, this being the most fav story of all versions. The art ofr R2NY is cool , cuase it's a combo of E&L, Lawson, and Berger. City at War was done by Lawson, but his style was cool then.

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Originally Posted by krzysztof

In the first issue the Turtles fight the Purple Dragon gang (just like in the mini-comic in the Fox Box), they later retire to the sewer where Splinter tells them their origin, which is much more like the first film in which Splinter was originally a rat, not a human. The last part of the issue features a battle with the Foot Clan, who are actual ninjas, not robots, and Shredder, and Shredder is apparently killed.

Yah, and that first issue was also known as the famous paradoy taken from Frank Miller's Ninja Ronin tale. It's also very similar to Electra's first issue.

**Karpo_007** · 12-13-2002, 10:47 AM

The First issue was ment to be a parofy of traditional Super hero comics. It was after the Huge success of that book when they began to take it seriously.

As for Lawsson, he has many styles. His style is good in Tales of the TMNT and in City at War, that is his first phase.

Second one, The volume 2 phase is pretty good too(Judging from few first pages of issue #1 of volume 2) but a little diffrent from the first one.

Third Phase is the Volume 4. TMNT still looks good, but the Human characters... Well to be honest they look like trolls of some sort.

**HorseTechie** · 12-13-2002, 11:53 AM

I Thought Lawson's human's in Vol 4 also look kinda like claymation people, with fat lips and cylindrical fingers.

12-12-2002, 02:37 PM	#5
Aztec General Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,437	Welcome! It's awfully nice to see another Mirage fan around here. I love the issues you mentioned. But I think the best Mirage storyline was "City At War" issues 50-62 Vol.1. It provided a deep look into every major character. Storytelling at its best. __________________

12-12-2002, 03:03 PM	#7
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	hmmm Well, issues 48 to 49, the "Shades of Grey" storyarch, were sort of a prelude to City at War.... so its really issues 48 to 62. damn, a fifteen issue story..... epic. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

12-12-2002, 05:04 PM	#11
Mike Foot Soldier Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Sewers of N.Y.C. Posts: 202	Yea, another Mirage fan! Welcome! I haven't read many, but I plan on buying 'em all when I get a job. __________________ "Ha! You're clastiphobic!" "You want a fist in your mouth? I ain't ever looked at a guy like that!" -Casey Jones, TMNT http://www.geocities.com/newtmnt/

12-12-2002, 02:20 PM	#1
krzysztof Random Punk Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: NC Posts: 18	to clear up confusions about the new show... Hi folks, I've been browsing this forum for months and have finally decided to post in order to clear up the questions and misunderstandings about the new TMNT cartoon show. No, I am not an authority on this, and am not in any way associated with Mirage, just a big fan of the original Mirage comics series. From what I can tell by reading the synopsis on the official site, the new series will closely mirror the original comic book, which ran for 62 issues. For those of you who have not read it, here is a quick rundown. In the first issue the Turtles fight the Purple Dragon gang (just like in the mini-comic in the Fox Box), they later retire to the sewer where Splinter tells them their origin, which is much more like the first film in which Splinter was originally a rat, not a human. The last part of the issue features a battle with the Foot Clan, who are actual ninjas, not robots, and Shredder, and Shredder is apparently killed. The second issue begins with Baxter Stockman, who is indeed a black man like in the new series, and his assistant April, who is most definitely not a news reporter. Baxter is manufacturing Mousers, which he uses to extort money from businesses. When April discovers his plans Baxter sends his mousers after her and she escapes into the sewers under his lab. The Turtles rescue April and make their first human friend. They later return to Baxters lab and succeed in stopping him. A couple issues later the Turtles are lead to a mysterioius building which bears the logo of that was on the canister that mutated them. They break into the building and discover their master Splinter in suspended animation. The engage in a short battle with alien/cyborgs who look a lot like Krang from the cartoon series, and are later revealed to be called Utroms. During the battle the Turtles are accidentally transported to another world where they meet Dr. Honeycutt, aka the Fugitoid, and end up in the middle of a war between the Triceratons and the human Federats to gain control of the technology that Fugitoid posesses. The Turtles are captured by the Triceratons and are made to fight in an arena vs Triceraton gladiators. The Turtles win and manage to escape the arena and take the Triceraton president hostage. Suddenly they are transported back to the Utrom compound, along with some Triceratons and another battle ensues. When the dust clears, the Turtles make friends with the Utrom aliens and are then transported back home. The best parts of the first series are issues 1-10 and 19-21. The Return to New York storyline takes place in 19-21, where the Turtles come back to face the Shredder again, who has managed to reinicarnate himself. There's much more to tell, and I strongly suggest checking out the old comics before watching the new show. The main difference between the original comics and the old show is the mature tone of the books. The tone was somewhat captured in the first live action movie, and I'm hoping that the new show follows that model.

12-12-2002, 02:24 PM	#2
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Nice to see more Mirage fans here! I myself bought the Whole first volume + the specials few months back. Only Mirage TMNT comics I miss are Volume 2 issues 4-10 and I have ordered those. As I hope the new show would be like The Mirage, you have to understand that it's targeted for kids, and shown in saturday mornings. Some compromises will be made. But one thing is clear: It won't be anything like the old cartoon.

12-12-2002, 02:27 PM	#3
Anarchistguy Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Canada (This country is too peaceful, Something's up...) Posts: 2,136	Don't you worry about that! it won't!!

12-12-2002, 02:34 PM	#4
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Well it won't be the Mirage Universe 100%, but I can live with that. It will be it's own universe, So probably not everything from Mirage is going to exatly same. But it will make rules for it, it will be more serious than the old cartoon and will have a real plot.

12-12-2002, 02:38 PM	#6
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	So I have have heard. Still many issue to go until I can read the City at war..

12-12-2002, 03:05 PM	#8
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Well the First 10 aren't that bad either...

12-12-2002, 03:58 PM	#9
Anarchistguy Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Canada (This country is too peaceful, Something's up...) Posts: 2,136	What do you mean?? They're great!

12-12-2002, 04:05 PM	#10
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	That was my point...

12-12-2002, 05:41 PM	#12
~~Tokka-B~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Lost Sewer Posts: 1,829	Hey, welcome!!! Good to have someone mature join and that can handle the urge to hit someone with a "mini-bo" Hands you a melting mango Quick eat it!!!

12-13-2002, 05:51 AM	#14
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	True. I really Love Return to New York. I have heard that City at War is even better, so that must be really something.

12-13-2002, 10:47 AM	#16
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	The First issue was ment to be a parofy of traditional Super hero comics. It was after the Huge success of that book when they began to take it seriously. As for Lawsson, he has many styles. His style is good in Tales of the TMNT and in City at War, that is his first phase. Second one, The volume 2 phase is pretty good too(Judging from few first pages of issue #1 of volume 2) but a little diffrent from the first one. Third Phase is the Volume 4. TMNT still looks good, but the Human characters... Well to be honest they look like trolls of some sort.

12-13-2002, 11:53 AM	#17
HorseTechie Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Midwest Posts: 5,677	I Thought Lawson's human's in Vol 4 also look kinda like claymation people, with fat lips and cylindrical fingers.