Nightbreed

*Spitfire* · 12-31-2005, 09:22 AM

Okay so I was listening to the Cradle Of Filth album Midian and my Dad noted that it's based off a movie by Clive Barker called Nightbreed. I avoided the picture for years thinking is probly sucked since I'm really not a fan of Clive Barker's work.

Well I had a few Best Buy gift cards totaling up to 105 bucks and I went DVD shopping. While I was out I saw Nightbreed for 6 dollars. I said why not and picked it up. The first time I watched it I fell asleep about 20 minutes in but the 2nd time I finished watching it.

While I believe the acting in the movie could have been better and I don't really like some of the dialog very much, it was a decent flick. I heard a few famous lines in it like "They'll rip your head off and **** down your neck" And I noticed the refrences to the movie that Cradle Of Filth had made in their album.

One of the most noticeable is the cover for the album

Anyways I know there's alota horror movie fans on this forum so has anyone else seen it? And what did you think? I took it there was supposed to be a sequel cause it was left pretty wide open. The last scene espcially left me wondering.

*Brodie* · 12-31-2005, 12:29 PM

It was a decent flick.
I'm almost positive any ties to a sequel were ended in the comic book series, which centered around Cabaal.

PS...Your sig, you know inverten pentagram/pentacle is evil right? Why have it next to Dante who is a force of good? ...Just wondering...

*DrSpengler* · 12-31-2005, 12:54 PM

I watched about half of it a decade ago. Maybe now I'll finish it.

I usually tend to avoid film versions of Clive Barker's work as they're alwasy forced to comepromise so much material; whether it be gore or just disturbing content.

Even the Hellraiser films, the finest adaptation of his work, is pale in comparison to the scope of the comics he wrote or supervised. You should see how they butchered the Lament Configuration's origin in Bloodline.

That's why I hope they don't make a Tortured Souls movie. Or, if they do, I'd like to see it released straight to video so they won't have to cut so much.

Nightbreed's one of those movies I keep telling myself "I'll get around to it". Maybe now I actually will, since I only have 2 more days left at Suncoast and I'll have to kiss my 35% DVD discount goodbye after that.

*Spitfire* · 01-01-2006, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Brodie

PS...Your sig, you know inverten pentagram/pentacle is evil right? Why have it next to Dante who is a force of good? ...Just wondering...

Well if you notice the pentagram is behind him along with the Tombstones. Bascially it's saying he kills evil.

Anyways I heard they were making the Tortured Souls movie and I saw it on imdb.

*DrSpengler* · 01-01-2006, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Spitfire666xXxXx

Anyways I heard they were making the Tortured Souls movie and I saw it on imdb.

Yeah, I know.

I read the plot summary about a year or more ago. Hopefully this delay is a signal that the movie was dropped.

The plot summary, not surprisingly, sounded absolutely nothing like the original novella.

*Spitfire* · 01-01-2006, 06:48 PM

I never got a chance to read any of the books Clive wrote...or HP Lovecraft...I just have trouble sitting down and reading. I hear their great though and way better then the movies. But I never get around to reading them. It's nice to know it's atleast based off a novel though...I thought it was based off the toyline which would scare me at how insanely bad it would be.

*DrSpengler* · 01-01-2006, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Spitfire666xXxXx

I never got a chance to read any of the books Clive wrote...or HP Lovecraft...I just have trouble sitting down and reading. I hear their great though and way better then the movies. But I never get around to reading them. It's nice to know it's atleast based off a novel though...I thought it was based off the toyline which would scare me at how insanely bad it would be.

Well, the novela was packaged with the toys, so the two were released simultaneously.

I'm not much of a reader, either. I don't have the attention span for novels (though I'm reading one now for the first time since high school).

I greatly prefer short stories and novellas, which is why Clive Barker and Lovecraft are two of my favorite authors. Their stories are short, to the point and get the job done. Lovecraft, in particular.

Lovecraft's style of writing is particularly difficult to transfer to the screen, as he likes to write about things completely impossible to comprehend in 3 dimensions and what-not. For instance, The Colour Out of Space is 100% unfilmable, as it deals with a meteor that is a color no one on Earth has ever seen before. Weird.

Barker's a little more "Down to earth" in that his stories can be filmed; but his works are very brutal and disturbing and gorey. So much so that most studios won't keep them intact as the material would frighten away most of the average audience who don't have rock hard stomachs.

A GOOD Tortured Souls movie is very much possible to film...it's just that studios won't put the money up for something of ethically questionable content. It took House of a 1,000 Corpses what, 3 years to get released after post production wrapped-up because every release studio was afraid it would be too offensive or intense?

Barker's work tends to fall into that category.

*Spitfire* · 01-02-2006, 02:19 AM

Sad really...I bet movies like Nightbreed would have been better if they let people run with it. I mean seriously had it been true to the book I can only assume it would have been awesome. Like you said though Lovecraft's stuff makes horrible movies. Ive seen a few Lovecraft movies and they were awful. My Dad, who read the books, hated them ever more. I know underground stuff is great sometimes because it's underground but I wish slasher movies were given a good budget. I mean the ones with awesome stories behind them. Like Hellbound. I found the story for that to be pretty cool...I just wish the movies would stack up. The newer movies some of the older ones were decent.

*Brodie* · 01-02-2006, 12:30 PM

Hellraiser, the original movie I'm talking about, is probably the closest thing to the acual novella that Barker wrote. Other than the most obvious of changes, Pinhead not being called the engineer, etc..

*DrSpengler* · 01-02-2006, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Brodie

Hellraiser, the original movie I'm talking about, is probably the closest thing to the acual novella that Barker wrote. Other than the most obvious of changes, Pinhead not being called the engineer, etc..

Well, in "The Hellbound Heart" Pinhead was actually a girl, and wasn't even the lead Cinobite. The lead Cinobite was this pale transexual.

The Engineer, instead of being a giant worm monster, was this luminous creature of pure energy.

Kirsty was also an old friend of Raury's (Larry in the movie) instead of being his daughter, and was actually in love with him.

Those are probably the most noteable changes between "The Hellbound Heart" and the first Hellraiser movie. Both the movie and the book have advantages of the other.

The book did a better job of presenting the pleasure and pain aspect of Cinobite torture, where-as the movie focused solely on the pain. For instance, in the book, when the Cinobites first take Frank they let him experience every sexual arrousal he's ever had in his entire life all in one mighty orgasm. He ejaculates all over the floor; which is how he was able to come back to life later when Larry spills blood on his semen, something that the movie overlooked. In the movie, they just appear and rip Frank to pieces.

However, the movie without a doubt had a better selection of Cinobites. The ones in the novella were all pretty bland and uninspired. They're really something best realised visually, as no amount of description could be as powerful as actually seeing them.

"The Hellbound Heart", however, is not canon in the Hellraiser mythos. It's more of a template that got things started.

12-31-2005, 09:22 AM	#1
Spitfire Writer • Director Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,035	Nightbreed Okay so I was listening to the Cradle Of Filth album Midian and my Dad noted that it's based off a movie by Clive Barker called Nightbreed. I avoided the picture for years thinking is probly sucked since I'm really not a fan of Clive Barker's work. Well I had a few Best Buy gift cards totaling up to 105 bucks and I went DVD shopping. While I was out I saw Nightbreed for 6 dollars. I said why not and picked it up. The first time I watched it I fell asleep about 20 minutes in but the 2nd time I finished watching it. While I believe the acting in the movie could have been better and I don't really like some of the dialog very much, it was a decent flick. I heard a few famous lines in it like "They'll rip your head off and ** down your neck" And I noticed the refrences to the movie that Cradle Of Filth had made in their album. One of the most noticeable is the cover for the album Anyways I know there's alota horror movie fans on this forum so has anyone else seen it? And what did you think? I took it there was supposed to be a sequel cause it was left pretty wide open. The last scene espcially left me wondering. __________________ Check out my online portfolio** http://www.christopherpelletier.com/

12-31-2005, 12:29 PM	#2
Brodie Certified Teacher Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Bizarro Metropolis Posts: 6,495	It was a decent flick. I'm almost positive any ties to a sequel were ended in the comic book series, which centered around Cabaal. PS...Your sig, you know inverten pentagram/pentacle is evil right? Why have it next to Dante who is a force of good? ...Just wondering... __________________ Stupendous Monster

01-01-2006, 06:48 PM	#6
Spitfire Writer • Director Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,035	I never got a chance to read any of the books Clive wrote...or HP Lovecraft...I just have trouble sitting down and reading. I hear their great though and way better then the movies. But I never get around to reading them. It's nice to know it's atleast based off a novel though...I thought it was based off the toyline which would scare me at how insanely bad it would be. __________________ Check out my online portfolio http://www.christopherpelletier.com/

01-02-2006, 02:19 AM	#8
Spitfire Writer • Director Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,035	Sad really...I bet movies like Nightbreed would have been better if they let people run with it. I mean seriously had it been true to the book I can only assume it would have been awesome. Like you said though Lovecraft's stuff makes horrible movies. Ive seen a few Lovecraft movies and they were awful. My Dad, who read the books, hated them ever more. I know underground stuff is great sometimes because it's underground but I wish slasher movies were given a good budget. I mean the ones with awesome stories behind them. Like Hellbound. I found the story for that to be pretty cool...I just wish the movies would stack up. The newer movies some of the older ones were decent. __________________ Check out my online portfolio http://www.christopherpelletier.com/

01-02-2006, 12:30 PM	#9
Brodie Certified Teacher Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Bizarro Metropolis Posts: 6,495	Hellraiser, the original movie I'm talking about, is probably the closest thing to the acual novella that Barker wrote. Other than the most obvious of changes, Pinhead not being called the engineer, etc.. __________________ Stupendous Monster

12-31-2005, 12:54 PM	#3
DrSpengler Foot Elite Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,842	I watched about half of it a decade ago. Maybe now I'll finish it. I usually tend to avoid film versions of Clive Barker's work as they're alwasy forced to comepromise so much material; whether it be gore or just disturbing content. Even the Hellraiser films, the finest adaptation of his work, is pale in comparison to the scope of the comics he wrote or supervised. You should see how they butchered the Lament Configuration's origin in Bloodline. That's why I hope they don't make a Tortured Souls movie. Or, if they do, I'd like to see it released straight to video so they won't have to cut so much. Nightbreed's one of those movies I keep telling myself "I'll get around to it". Maybe now I actually will, since I only have 2 more days left at Suncoast and I'll have to kiss my 35% DVD discount goodbye after that.