Teen Titans Series Finale

[ZariusTwo]

I think I know what the writers wanted to try and do here...but the execution was poor. This was their attempt to write a JLU calibure "Epilouge" of their own, wrapping up the Terra storyline from season two.

Clearly they wanted to wrap Titans up with some semblence of clousre for a few characters, they remembered Slade existed, but it turns out to be another robot substitute, it is never once explained why Terra has amnesia, or how she was revived. They did'nt even beat the mutant creature, which was'nt explained either, wandering around the city.

The episode made no sense, was designed to be something akin to psudo-art, and ended on a cliffhanger clearly designed to convince CN to revive the series, it was only this episode (aside from "Go", that truly resembled anything remotley reflecting the Titan seasons and direction of old and it disgusted me they were phoning it in for much of this run.

So ends the most unnecersary, most pointless season of Titans ever. Ends not with a bang, or even a whimper, but with a slight pinch of Marijuwana. F*ck you CN for ordering more episodes when we did'nt need any more, it was DONE, and f*ck you writers for sitting on your asses and allowing this series to die with less dignity than when it started.

[Turtle Dove]

Say it again in english.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Turtle Dove

Say it again in english.

Or alternativly, you could get a brain cell for once, and an enclyopedia.

[Anarky]

Yeah, we all know that not everybody speaks english perfectly well, but I understood Zarius alright. So don't complain, because I normally don't speak English. Therefore: Return to the subject, please.

[Turtle Dove]

well enough of the insults from you Anarky. You seem to always follow me around and try to make me look stupid. And you know what? I'm pretty darn sick of it. So back off and find someone else to be yor victim on this forum.

But I mean SEROIUSLY ZT what is going on with TT. I know JLU is done and over with even though there is rumor of a JL International.

[Jo Dawn]

It wasn't an insult, and he's not following you. He's merely doing his job as a mod to keep things on track. I'm really interested in this thread, as are, I'm sure, a great number of others. Please let's try not to get this thread locked. However, one more incident and I'll have to.

Thank y'all for your cooperation! Hugs, kisses, and peace, darlings.

[ZariusTwo]

Back on topic, yeah, the writers were trying to tie up an unneedded plot hole here with Terra, but did'nt explain anything of how she came back to life or anything, shes' just there living life in a high school, not wanting to relive her past life, an adaptation of sorts for the present Terra currently alive

Just count the first four seasons....this one was just bad, good news however, is that this is'nt QUITE the end yet, theres' a direct to DVD movie entitled "Titans In Tokyo" coming up.

[Duke]

Since you mentioned JLU I have a question about it. I know they cancelled the show but are they ever going to air the end of season 3 or 5 if you include JL? I watched the first 4 episodes of the season but they never aired the rest of the season.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Duke

Since you mentioned JLU I have a question about it. I know they cancelled the show but are they ever going to air the end of season 3 or 5 if you include JL? I watched the first 4 episodes of the season but they never aired the rest of the season.

They will be eventually, there just taking a break before spring

[Mandi-chan]

They should have ended the series with "The End", that was a good finale!

This entire season has stunk, even the origin ep from what I've heard (missed that one).

[Dr. Doom]

Well as has been discussed before, I'm sure, they thought they WERE going to end on "The End". Season Five was given the green light and I guess they wanted to try and pack evrything that they'd wanted to cover into one last season. I really enjoyed this season a lot (with the exceptions of two horrible episodes, Kole and Go), and was very happy with it as a send off for the series. Slightly less of the ongoing issues were addressed than I would have liked (such as Red X), but they sorta kept with the theme of the show well enough. Titans Together acted as a great, epic climax to the series. It left a big smile on my face. "Things Change" (ironically the name of the first episode of TMNT '03 and the last episode of Teen Titans) was a well made episode, allbeit....bewildering....and inconclusive. It seemed to end about halfway through the telling of a story. I gotta tell you, Terra was the last person I expected to see when I tuned in. They did a very good job of keeping that under wraps. And I was happy to see Slade (or at the very least, his will) one last time. Obviously, the episode leaves you wondering what the hell just happened, but I think if you take enough of an objective look at it, you can at least see what they were trying to say. Sort of the old thing about "the more things change, the more they stay the same". Like, no matter what crap they go through, they've still got a job to do, and they're going to keep doing it. It definately sorta leaves it up to the viewer to peice that together. That's not to say I was completely satisified with the last episode, but I at least sort of...see the point of it. It really was an epilogue. Saying that even though we're not going to be watching it every week, their work is not finished. And fortunately, we still have the direct to DVD feature to look forward to. ^_^

[ZariusTwo]

Yeah, but Terra had already been confirmed to return in an "Interesting way" long before the season began, so I figured it was either this story, or "Titans Together", before it turned out to be Jericho for the former.

The thing is...the message of it is absolutley fine, but its' getting tooo much praise for being "a big art-style kind of philophical exploration",m just because its'...you know...Titans, a part of the "can do no wrong" DCAU.

Epilouge actually has a divided fanbase also, so its' not as if its' an exception to the rule, but what Epilouge did right was in part explain what happened when it did and ellaborated on past episodes to motivate Amanda Wallers' decision to create Terry. This just said "Terras' alive, how? We donmt' care, she does'nt want to remember, things change. Drool over the message and meaning"

That is not good art. That's just being bloody lazy.

[Dr. Doom]

You want Lazy? Look at "Go" and "Kole", two episodes that struggled to remain barely peiced together, two episodes with pretty much no subtance whatsoever that drunkenly stumbled from begining to end. I know "Go" was created with a specific purpose in mind but it acheived absolutely nothing and actually came across as being a below average episode in the process. "Kole" was just ill-conceived. It seemed like it was written by a 10 year old. "Things Change" actually had some sort of deeper meaning, some purpose for being there. Maybe that's not something we're used to with this show and that's why we're all just so bloody taken aback by it. I by no means was 100% staisified with it as a last episode, there was a million other things I wanted to see. But this is the last episode that they gave us, so we might as well take it for what it is and not what it isn't.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

You want Lazy? Look at "Go" and "Kole", two episodes that struggled to remain barely peiced together, two episodes with pretty much no subtance whatsoever that drunkenly stumbled from begining to end.

I think you just summed up half, if not all, of the fifth season...

I know "Go" was created with a specific purpose in mind but it acheived absolutely nothing and actually came across as being a below average episode in the process. "Kole" was just ill-conceived. It seemed like it was written by a 10 year old. "Things Change" actually had some sort of deeper meaning, some purpose for being there.

No. It did'nt. "Epilouge" had every right to exist, but "Things Change" was nothing more than a cheap attempt to ellaborate on an already sealed cold case. Terra was dead

Pardon my ever-so-higher expectations, but when you watch Timm and co do it right, and you know THESE guys can do something much more with these characters, and have proven to do so, they deserve every inch of a fist.

Maybe that's not something we're used to with this show and that's why we're all just so bloody taken aback by it.

Speak for yourself, for me, its' something I'm not used to it because it was a petty performance from writers who can do everything right with this series. It tried to try and be something only JLU could possibly do right with its' storytelling, Terras's arc was done and did'nt need further ellaboration

I by no means was 100% staisified with it as a last episode, there was a million other things I wanted to see. But this is the last episode that they gave us, so we might as well take it for what it is and not what it isn't.

The series finale was "The End", this was just "Angels In The Night" from the Goliath Chronicles.

[Dr. Doom]

Well despite it's shortcommings, I actually enjoyed season 5 on whole. I thought the majority of the episodes were excellent. There were just a few in the bunch that left an odd taste in my mouth. "Things Change" did just that, in it's own way. At the heart of the episode I can see something really good. Some untapped potential. If it were fleshed out more, that could have been realized. If the series had just ended on "Titans Together", I think it would have been unsatisfying. There wasn't much in the way of closure there, as climactic as it was. At the very least, "Things Change" offered up a chance to see where they went from there, after such a huge confrontation. It didn't quite deliver in a complete sense, but it sorta put a vague idea into our heads of what the future held for the team after the series ended; more of the same, basically. Thus the old cliché of "the more things change, the more they stay the same".

[splinter zombie]

This episode was such a let down. They totally managed to tick off Terra fans.

First of all Terra is back with no explanation on how she was freed from her stone prison. But most importantly not only does she not want to be a Titan anymore, but she does not want anything to do with the Titans. ( I mean she could still be thier friend). She pretended she had amniesia but there were hints throughout the episode showing she remembered everything.

I was however not suprised to see her appear , becuase I had made 2 predictions for the finale. Either they would show us Slade's face, or Terra would return. However, I had no idea Terra would return the way she did.
(not wanting anything to do with the titans, along with a total personality change).

Since I am a Terra fan I was upset. I have watched the show from the beggining and this fianle really let me down. They should have ended it with the Season 5 ep. Titans Together.

Long Story short, they bring back Terra (but don't really bring her back, since her character has completley changed) We still don't know who Red X is, and we don't know what was inside of Robin's briefcase.

[Turtle Dove]

Originally Posted by Duke

Since you mentioned JLU I have a question about it. I know they cancelled the show but are they ever going to air the end of season 3 or 5 if you include JL? I watched the first 4 episodes of the season but they never aired the rest of the season.

Rumor was it was SUPPOSE to start in Januray! But it hasn't. The show kinda died now..I hate to admit it. Besides CN messed everything up, they CLAIM JL, and Ninja Turtles are top rated but they keep kicking it off the air and putting some other crap in it's place.

Did you know that on Fridays at 1am they where airing JL Season 1 while SAtudays aired JLU? This lasted up to the episode where Diana's amazon sister attacked men with a germ gas. Then it was removedand replaced with those 2 butt ugly kids on Cartoon Cartoon Fridays.It seems that those 2 whined so CN gave them that 1am slot then 2 anime shows got it instead.

CN SUCKs big time! Even Ninja Turtles was kicking ass on the "Miguzi" time slot and I know for a fact they got great ratings! NT derves a slot on ADult Swim or Toonani's Satuday line up!

CN cancels stuff al the time- but truth still be told. With all the DC licened movies & shows coming.....the JLU/TT can't make new episodes anymore.-That's what someone who works at WB told me. He also said Wonder Woman and The Flash MIGHT get their own TV shows, cause of the upcoming movies.