Your true unabashed thoughts on the state of all things TMNT

[beaker]

While I am more than overjoyed at the return of the TMNT, there are a few anomaly problems I have.

1) I am very offput by the decision to can the CGI film...I think this could have been the coolest thing in ages.

2) While Im glad there is an ongoing TMNT comic, is it me or does it look like its being made in 1985? Just imagine what TMNT the comic could look like if Dreamwave got ahold of it(the wonders they worked on the various Transformers series is astonishing)

3) Is it me or does the official TMNT site ninjaturtles.com seem stuck in a time warp? I checked out this site called MikeysTMNT.com that blows that site away. The official site seems stuck in a bit of a 1990 Archie phase.

4) The look of the cartoon. Hmmm, while I realize its not in the budget to go all out crisp and detailed anime styled(not the kiddy anime stuff, bu tlike Ghost in the Shell) ...still...and that intro to the new cartoon...I mean I know its all about recapturing the feel of the 80's, but they do to good of a job. It looks like it was made in 1988!

5) Finally, the toyline. Dont get me wrong...I cant wait to get my paws on these. The best toy line out there IMHO besides Palisades Muppet Show line. But still...its 2003 and they look more akin to the 1988 line.
Though...I will say that bus looks like the coolest TMNT vehicle ever!

So those are the only complaints I have. Generally speaking I am more than pleased overall with the new TMNT direction and stuff. Im glad this day and age finally allows for character that were originally black in the comic to be black again(darn history revisionism...) Im also glad its been a good 12 years since the strangulation and washout media blitz of the TMNT has passed. I think things are back on track now.

[Sparvid]

1) I am very offput by the decision to can the CGI film...I think this could have been the coolest thing in ages.

Agreed...

2) While Im glad there is an ongoing TMNT comic, is it me or does it look like its being made in 1985? Just imagine what TMNT the comic could look like if Dreamwave got ahold of it(the wonders they worked on the various Transformers series is astonishing)

Err, it would suck... The only thing I could think of that would make the new comic even better, would be if there were somewhat more clear beginnings and endings to the storylines...

3) Is it me or does the official TMNT site ninjaturtles.com seem stuck in a time warp? I checked out this site called MikeysTMNT.com that blows that site away. The official site seems stuck in a bit of a 1990 Archie phase.

Yeah, they could make it better, but I kinda like it the way it is now

4) The look of the cartoon. Hmmm, while I realize its not in the budget to go all out crisp and detailed anime styled(not the kiddy anime stuff, bu tlike Ghost in the Shell) ...still...and that intro to the new cartoon...I mean I know its all about recapturing the feel of the 80's, but they do to good of a job. It looks like it was made in 1988!

No, it doesn't...

[xZAOx]

Originally Posted by beaker

1) I am very offput by the decision to can the CGI film...I think this could have been the coolest thing in ages..

I think it woulda been cool. But im not too upset about it

Originally Posted by beaker

2) While Im glad there is an ongoing TMNT comic, is it me or does it look like its being made in 1985? Just imagine what TMNT the comic could look like if Dreamwave got ahold of it(the wonders they worked on the various Transformers series is astonishing) .

The turtles have always been in black and white, and jim lawson has drawn more turtle comics than anyone else. and while his style has changed, i think he draws the turtles better now than in volume 2, but his humans suck. i think the main fallback of the new comic is ther isnt near enough action going on, which is prolly what you are sensing as "1985".

Originally Posted by beaker

3) Is it me or does the official TMNT site ninjaturtles.com seem stuck in a time warp? I checked out this site called MikeysTMNT.com that blows that site away. The official site seems stuck in a bit of a 1990 Archie phase. .

mikeysTMNT has a good layout, but nowhere near the info that the official site has. i think dan has done a good job. it looks cartoonish, but that doesnt bother me. he has a site that is easy to navigate, with tons and tons of info, which is what i think is important.

Originally Posted by beaker

4) The look of the cartoon. Hmmm, while I realize its not in the budget to go all out crisp and detailed anime styled(not the kiddy anime stuff, bu tlike Ghost in the Shell) ...still...and that intro to the new cartoon...I mean I know its all about recapturing the feel of the 80's, but they do to good of a job. It looks like it was made in 1988!.

im 100% in disagreement with you there. if it was anime...UGHSOGDHOSH i would kill people. i think it looks great. its an action cartoon, not some stupid japanesse cartooon with big eyes where people stare at each other for 20 minutes while the background flashes and lines go everywhere for no reason.

Originally Posted by beaker

5) Finally, the toyline. Dont get me wrong...I cant wait to get my paws on these. The best toy line out there IMHO besides Palisades Muppet Show line. But still...its 2003 and they look more akin to the 1988 line.
Though...I will say that bus looks like the coolest TMNT vehicle ever!.

i love the new toys! they are a HUGE step up from the old toys. once again, this is an american franchise, not japanesse like most of the action figures on the market. they are highly detailed, and i think just look overall badass. im not a fan of the van thingy tho, but thats just cause i dont like vehicles in general.[/quote]

well you know what they say...you cant please all the people all of the time. =)

[Karpo_007]

The CGI was scraped because they couldn't sell it...

And Lawsson's style is a matter of opinnion, and He's style has changed a lot. Well the current style is excellent for the TMNT, but Humans are a little ...weird. And yes, Mirgae has always been black&white, except few specials and Volume 2. It is part of the magic.

And the website, I don't think there is nothing wrong with it. It servrs it's purpose very wel.

[Peanut]

I agree woth ZOA completely when it comes to the animation. Putting the turtles in anime would completely RUIN the show. Love the DBZ reference LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Karpo_007]

Well the First season of the TMNT was animated by Japanese company... Did you really hate it? It is the best season of the cartoon.

[PWDESAI]

Umm... dude you are saying everything is like it's back in the 80's, maybe it's just you are too far advanced

[xZAOx]

Originally Posted by Karpo_007

Well the Furst season of the TMNt was animated by Japanese company... Did you really hate it? It is the best season of the cartoon.

i never knew that. but what i was referring to is how nowadays at least 95% of japanesse cartoons are anime. i sat through an hour and a half of fox box this morning while cleaning up this collection of ninja turtle action figures i got in the other day...oh bleh. some guy is fighting a big cell phone? wtf?

[Mr. Snackpants]

I like the cartoon how it is, it looks fine. The figures are awsome, nothing wrong with them.

[Karpo_007]

LOL ... Well there are some great animes like Akira. The plot is hard to understand, But it is clear that the Japanese have much more skill in doing animation than western contries. Of course the there is the thing with big eyes and small mouths... Well I have to admit that most of the anime I have seen is not so good...

[Anarchistguy]

Anime is one of the best animation I have ever seen in my life. You think
Anime sucks because you guys only check out crap like Digimon, Pokemon and the junk that's on the FoxBox. But there's more to anime than that. There are some great movies such as Ninja Scroll and "X". And about Dragonball Z, It sucks because Funimation censored the crap out of it. So it's not because you see ONE boring Anime that they ALL suck.

[PanMan]

i for one cannot stand anime . some of the shows in anime i might watch if they were in regular animation but i really cannot stand it. for example, if Samurai Jack was in regular animation i would watch it but i can't stand watching it now in anime

[Aztec General]

My thoughts on the current state of TMNT:

Mirage Comic Volume 4:
Good:
1) The story is very indepth and constantly evolving. I have no idea what will happen next.
2) Lots of returning characters.
3) The alien beast looks like he has some potential as a villian.
Bad:
1) Where's the action? It's been 7 issues with a lot of building but no action. They haven't even broken out their weapons yet.
2) Lawson's humans.
3) No villian has emerged yet.

The New Toon:
Good:
1) The in depth story and continuity.
2) The fact that Laird is sticking close to the Mirage story but still adding something new.
3) The Foot Clan sounds pretty bad ass.
4) The art looks great.
5) The characters will evolve and respond to the events around them.
Bad:
1) It's on a Saturday morning cartoon block with some of the worst shows in history.

As for the Dreamwave comic I think this project has a lot of potential. Dreamwave has some awesome artists and serious comics. I'm very interested.

Also the new Tales of the TMNT line should rock. It'll be great to see the other classic Mirage artists get a crack at the TMNT. While at the same time filling up the continuity gap between Volume 2 and 4.

One final thing: I think Anime is downright awful .

[Karpo_007]

Rat king has good points there. We think pretty much a like when it comes to TMNT. Of course I can't judge Volume 4 yet because im still reading 1.

And as t has been said, not all anime is bad. Just Get Akira somewhere. It is almost 20 years old, but still better animated than any action cartoon today made by the western countries. Well when it comes to anime, there is only few movies/series I rally like, But im not saying that Japanese animation sucks. That's because when they animate an action scene, no western animation company can compete.

[Raphael-sama]

The TMNT line is growing strong, stronger then it has in quite a few years. I'm certain that once the cartoon comes out, we'll see the new fans emerging and the toys flying off the shelves.

What I'M concerned about is this. When this whole 80s nostalgia fad that He-Man and all of them are hopping on finally goes away (and it will), will the TMNT still be able to hold their ground? Or will they be washed away into the depths of time for another 10 years?

-Badabing.

[Karpo_007]

Well the TMNT aren't goign away, the comic is selling very good. But if the cartoon isn't succesgull enough, there might not be a season 2. Well let's hope that it wil become a hit.

[BigThew]

I feel that it should be a hit...the outcomes of this shows sucess are limitless

video games, movies, even Origional Season TMNT DVD's, and of course more action figures

but one thing that i just can't seem to get past is the appearance of splinter...he looks really lame and he is grey!

[Mondo_Gecko]

yeah Splinter does look so lame bring back the old cartoon Splinter

[Karpo_007]

He definetly looks better than the old cartoon splinter, But not as good as the mirage one. They should have made him brown. Oh well, he color is not that big a deal. And yes, the TMNT has almos always been popular when it has been on tv, So the chances are good.

[Aztec General]

Originally Posted by Raphael-sama

The TMNT line is growing strong, stronger then it has in quite a few years. I'm certain that once the cartoon comes out, we'll see the new fans emerging and the toys flying off the shelves.

What I'M concerned about is this. When this whole 80s nostalgia fad that He-Man and all of them are hopping on finally goes away (and it will), will the TMNT still be able to hold their ground? Or will they be washed away into the depths of time for another 10 years?

-Badabing.

You raise a valid question about the '80s nostalgia. The TMNT, He-Man, Transformers, G.I. Joe, and Thundercats are all making a huge comeback. It is also true that it will not last. But I think the TMNT have a good shot at remaining because the new comic is a hit, there are two more comics on the way that appear to be of quality, the new cartoon looks good enough to please most fans and bring in some new ones, and because TMNT has a huge foundation of "hardcore" fans.