Final Episode of John Semper's Spidey cartoon

*Spike Spiegel* · 11-15-2006, 10:11 AM

Wow. I was really blown away by it. It's on YouTube so you can watch it now...

***spoilers***

***ok don't say that i didn't warn you!***

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(We have spoiler tags.-Voltron)

**Barkworm** · 11-15-2006, 10:36 AM

Ugh. I can't stand that show anymore. I used to love it when I was a kid though.

*Mecha Cow* · 11-15-2006, 10:47 AM

Isn't this like 10 years old?

And yeah, I liked the show when I was a kid but I probably couldn't stand it now. Good thing I haven't seen it in years.

Jon · 11-15-2006, 11:35 AM

Well, yes it's a bit old -- this series was in the mid-90s. But, IMO, still a good series. I remember watching it back when it first aired, too.

And, of note to the OP, the series was re-run like a year or 2 ago on ABC Family and Toon Disney.

*Voltron* · 11-15-2006, 12:49 PM

I always felt that this was a fantastic series in the beginning. It just spun out of control towards the later seasons as the plot became less coherent. I think I stopped watching after they tried that whole dimensional travels crap.

*ZariusTwo* · 11-15-2006, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecha Cow

Isn't this like 10 years old?

And yeah, I liked the show when I was a kid but I probably couldn't stand it now. Good thing I haven't seen it in years.

Looks like the fad of bashing stuff from ten years ago is starting to take shape just as the other fad is ending. Fortunaly I was never part of either, this show still holds up in much the same way X-Men and Transformers do.

That being said, I can't stand the entire first season of Superman: TAS anymore...oh wait, I never did like that tosh until season two anyway, but god it looks worse now than ever, especially the pilot episode.

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*DrSpengler* · 11-15-2006, 04:55 PM

I enjoyed the show though I agree it started using dimensional vortexes waaaayyyy too much towards the end. They should've dropped that angle with the Spot.

Still, there were a lot of cool moments and I actually liked the inner monologue Peter had throughout the series. Not many comic-based cartoons or movies try to import that, and this show actually made it work pretty well.

I always felt a little gipped that Venom only appeared in a total of 3 episodes, yet showed up in the opening sequence.

Spider-Man Unlimited, the sequel series, overused Venom, though. So I'm not sure which I disliked more.

Hank Azaria was awesome as Venom, though. And the buildup to his character was very well done (much better than in the comics, if you ask me).

The Secret Wars adaptation was total crap, though. I know they couldn't use more X-Men because they could afford to get the cast from the 90's toon to fly down to LA, but they went ahead and recast the Fantastic Four and Iron Man characters instead of getting the voices from their respective shows. Ugh, they really shouldn't have bothered trying if they weren't willing to go the extra mile and get the TON of characters that Secret Wars was all about.

*ZariusTwo* · 11-15-2006, 05:05 PM

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I always felt a little gipped that Venom only appeared in a total of 3 episodes, yet showed up in the opening sequence.

Five. Although to put it delicatly, he was'nt anywhere close to who he was in that excellent trilogy.

The Secret Wars trilogy made no sense, even worse is that they brought back Black Cat, who was still involved with Blade and Morbius' Vampire war that never got resolved, then there was the amnesia angle at the end when the heroes overcame the villains, Doom sending back his rivals was a very neat and lazy way of closing up loose ends without a big final battle

And the ending? "Oh, that was'nt your greatest challenge, teaming up with yourself is", way to fool the audience, it's bait and switch, and nobody likes it when that happens.

Spider-Wars was far superior, short, to the point, and had one of the best endings of any Marvel series, it's only topped by the ending of Iron Man's second season, and that's so damned obscure nobody will ever be able to appreciate it.

*DrSpengler* · 11-15-2006, 05:48 PM

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Five. Although to put it delicatly, he was'nt anywhere close to who he was in that excellent trilogy.

Well, there was the Black Costume trilogy, but Venom only appeared in the 3rd installment, if I remember correctly. Then there was the 2-episode Carange arc he was on, making for 3 episodes. Though I guess it's 5 if you count the Symbiote as Venom.

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Spider-Wars was far superior, short, to the point, and had one of the best endings of any Marvel series, it's only topped by the ending of Iron Man's second season, and that's so damned obscure nobody will ever be able to appreciate it.

Yeah, Spider-Wars was a lot better and full of all sorts of fanwank. The more Ben Reilly the better, I say.

And indeed, the ending of Iron Man kicked ass, mostly because they had the balls to kill the Mandarin off the way they did.

Peanut · 11-15-2006, 05:53 PM

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Spider-Wars was far superior, short, to the point, and had one of the best endings of any Marvel series,

Dear god, yes! That was great.

Why is every obscure toon in the world out on DVD and this one isn't? Is there a problem with it somewhere, or is it just not being made?

*DrSpengler* · 11-15-2006, 05:55 PM

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Dear god, yes! That was great.

Why is every obscure toon in the world out on DVD and this one isn't? Is there a problem with it somewhere, or is it just not being made?

Disney/Buena Vista owns the distribution rights and they're total assholes.

That's about the jist of it.

Peanut · 11-15-2006, 05:56 PM

I figured that's what it was.

Can anyone hook me up with some linkage to the youtube videos? I haven't seen this show in years and I really want to watch some of it again.

*DrSpengler* · 11-15-2006, 06:06 PM

http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...an+spider-wars

This should do it. Spider-Wars is two episodes broken into 4 parts.

Jon · 11-15-2006, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Peanut

I figured that's what it was.

Can anyone hook me up with some linkage to the youtube videos? I haven't seen this show in years and I really want to watch some of it again.

Yeah. Though, they have released some DVDs of Spider-Man (and X-Men). But they're just various episode 1-disc deals.
I'd also like to see these released is Season Sets (as well as a Complete Iron Man -- like they did Fantastic Four). Hello!! Vista, what are you thinking doing just 1 complete release out of this great bunch of shows?!

*DrSpengler* · 11-15-2006, 06:25 PM

Iron Man will no doubt get a set once the live action movie comes out in 08. Though, many thought X-Men would get that treatment when their respective movies saw release, but that never happened.

The Spider-Wars, in particular, actually DID get a DVD release via those cheap 2-episode disks you mentioned. It was titled, appropriately, "I really really hate clones". The cheap 2-episode disks are actually out of print at the moment since they weren't manufactured with Buena Vista's concent. Still, enough of them saw release that if you look you can get ahold of a copy.

Jon · 11-15-2006, 06:50 PM

Actually, was meaning the ones Buena Vista did (1-disc with like 4 or 5 episodes). But had read about those others too.

Also hope that would come to pass (about the Iron Man 'toon).

*Anarchistguy* · 11-15-2006, 08:15 PM

Ah, the 90s Spider-Man cartoon...the thing that shocked me the most about this show is probably the fact that Venom was voiced by the same actor who does Moe, Chief Wiggum and Apu on The Simpsons...

*ZariusTwo* · 11-15-2006, 08:24 PM

I find it funny Beuna Vista have no problem releasing their greatest series from the 1980's, yet, with the exception of Batman: TAS, which is distributed by Warner Bros, they have yet to release three more of the most dominant series of the 1990's.

Spider-Man, X-Men, Power Rangers

They could set records releasing those.

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Ah, the 90s Spider-Man cartoon...the thing that shocked me the most about this show is probably the fact that Venom was voiced by the same actor who does Moe, Chief Wiggum and Apu on The Simpsons...

Spidey also featured what I think was the final performance of Edward Mulhare (Devon Miles from Knight Rider), before he died, he voiced Spencer Smythe

Fledermaus · 11-15-2006, 08:38 PM

Man! I never even saw the Spider-Wars episodes! So much that I have missed... such an awesome series!

Jon · 11-16-2006, 05:08 AM

[QUOTE=ZariusTwo;442557]I find it funny Beuna Vista have no problem releasing their greatest series from the 1980's, yet, with the exception of Batman: TAS, which is distributed by Warner Bros, they have yet to release three more of the most dominant series of the 1990's.

Spider-Man, X-Men, Power Rangers

They could set records releasing those.

Yeah, instead of doing the simple 1-disc with 3-5 eps. Why didn't they just go with the Season Set routine...
Like you say, they'd really have a big-time seller with any of those.

11-15-2006, 10:36 AM	#2
Barkworm Draconian leftist ruler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 6,758	Ugh. I can't stand that show anymore. I used to love it when I was a kid though. __________________ Make ****, not kill!

11-15-2006, 10:47 AM	#3
Mecha Cow Gorgeous and modest too Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 3,699	Isn't this like 10 years old? And yeah, I liked the show when I was a kid but I probably couldn't stand it now. Good thing I haven't seen it in years. __________________

11-15-2006, 08:15 PM	#17
Anarchistguy Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Canada (This country is too peaceful, Something's up...) Posts: 2,137	Ah, the 90s Spider-Man cartoon...the thing that shocked me the most about this show is probably the fact that Venom was voiced by the same actor who does Moe, Chief Wiggum and Apu on The Simpsons... __________________ M.D.K. Maim! Destroy! Kill!!! "When my time comes, I wanna be buried face down, so those who don't like me can kiss my ass!"

11-15-2006, 08:38 PM	#19
Fledermaus Mad Scientist Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,115	Man! I never even saw the Spider-Wars episodes! So much that I have missed... such an awesome series! __________________ We're calling it a freeway. Eight lanes of shimmering cement running from here to Pasadena. Smooth, safe, fast. Traffic jams will be a thing of the past. I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night! Soon there will be a string of gas stations, inexpensive motels, restaurants that serve rapidly prepared food! Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see! My God... It'll be beautiful.

11-15-2006, 11:35 AM	#4
Jon Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,356	Well, yes it's a bit old -- this series was in the mid-90s. But, IMO, still a good series. I remember watching it back when it first aired, too. And, of note to the OP, the series was re-run like a year or 2 ago on ABC Family and Toon Disney.

11-15-2006, 12:49 PM	#5
Voltron Handsomest Boy in School Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The Realm of SJW Posts: 4,642	I always felt that this was a fantastic series in the beginning. It just spun out of control towards the later seasons as the plot became less coherent. I think I stopped watching after they tried that whole dimensional travels crap.

11-15-2006, 04:55 PM	#7
DrSpengler Foot Elite Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,842	I enjoyed the show though I agree it started using dimensional vortexes waaaayyyy too much towards the end. They should've dropped that angle with the Spot. Still, there were a lot of cool moments and I actually liked the inner monologue Peter had throughout the series. Not many comic-based cartoons or movies try to import that, and this show actually made it work pretty well. I always felt a little gipped that Venom only appeared in a total of 3 episodes, yet showed up in the opening sequence. Spider-Man Unlimited, the sequel series, overused Venom, though. So I'm not sure which I disliked more. Hank Azaria was awesome as Venom, though. And the buildup to his character was very well done (much better than in the comics, if you ask me). The Secret Wars adaptation was total crap, though. I know they couldn't use more X-Men because they could afford to get the cast from the 90's toon to fly down to LA, but they went ahead and recast the Fantastic Four and Iron Man characters instead of getting the voices from their respective shows. Ugh, they really shouldn't have bothered trying if they weren't willing to go the extra mile and get the TON of characters that Secret Wars was all about.

11-15-2006, 05:56 PM	#12
Peanut Second Gear Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The New World Posts: 15,422	I figured that's what it was. Can anyone hook me up with some linkage to the youtube videos? I haven't seen this show in years and I really want to watch some of it again.

11-15-2006, 06:06 PM	#13
DrSpengler Foot Elite Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,842	http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...an+spider-wars This should do it. Spider-Wars is two episodes broken into 4 parts.

11-15-2006, 06:25 PM	#15
DrSpengler Foot Elite Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,842	Iron Man will no doubt get a set once the live action movie comes out in 08. Though, many thought X-Men would get that treatment when their respective movies saw release, but that never happened. The Spider-Wars, in particular, actually DID get a DVD release via those cheap 2-episode disks you mentioned. It was titled, appropriately, "I really really hate clones". The cheap 2-episode disks are actually out of print at the moment since they weren't manufactured with Buena Vista's concent. Still, enough of them saw release that if you look you can get ahold of a copy.

11-15-2006, 06:50 PM	#16
Jon Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,356	Actually, was meaning the ones Buena Vista did (1-disc with like 4 or 5 episodes). But had read about those others too. Also hope that would come to pass (about the Iron Man 'toon).

11-16-2006, 05:08 AM	#20
Jon Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,356	[QUOTE=ZariusTwo;442557]I find it funny Beuna Vista have no problem releasing their greatest series from the 1980's, yet, with the exception of Batman: TAS, which is distributed by Warner Bros, they have yet to release three more of the most dominant series of the 1990's. Spider-Man, X-Men, Power Rangers They could set records releasing those. Yeah, instead of doing the simple 1-disc with 3-5 eps. Why didn't they just go with the Season Set routine... Like you say, they'd really have a big-time seller with any of those.