Now that FF is almost done will TMNT return or end?

U2WaTCHer · 11-30-2006, 12:31 PM

Hi I think I heard theirs only going to be 15 eps or something of FF have you guys heard anything if TMNT will continue or will it end here? Will 4kids bring it back or will there be a ending? Or better yet go back to the old way or do a power rangers and have a theme every year to re-invent TMNT.

Ratchet · 11-30-2006, 12:50 PM

I think by the time FF wraps up completely, we'll be near enough to the movie that it probably won't matter. I have a feeling it may all come to an end somewhere around the movie, but the movie will spark it's own spin-off (none of that is official, just speculating of course!).

**Jo Dawn** · 11-30-2006, 01:53 PM

Right now FF is two seasons of 13. Not one.

I'm sorry to have to break that to you.

*gobo* · 11-30-2006, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by U2WaTCHer

Or better yet go back to the old way or do a power rangers and have a theme every year to re-invent TMNT.

Cheez-ums Christ! Give me a heart-attack, why don't you...

*Chris* · 12-17-2006, 08:20 AM

Here's what I think;

4Kids split Fast Forward and pulled Lost Season from the DVD release schedule so they could air the Ninja Tribunal episodes early next year when the movie gets released. Probably just wishful thinking but it does make some sort of sense. A 13 episode DVD set (Ninja Tribunal + 12 "Lost" episodes) would then be released around the time of the movie DVD. It's the best way for them to cash in on the LS episodes.

Next season will be the remaining 12 FF episodes. I believe they will end with the TMNT returning home. FF was always said to be 26 stand alone episodes and I don't think the ratings or sales have had the jump they expected so there's no reason to keep them in the future.

After that the show could go back to normal (possibley exploring some of the ideas put forward in "The Journal") or come to a close.

If it comes to a close I would expect a CGI series (Peter Laird has always wanted to do CGI TMNT) to replace it. This could be stand alone or related to the new movie but I doubt it would relate to the current show.

*Warhorse* · 12-17-2006, 09:10 AM

Hey Chris, if they were to experiment with a CGI TMNT television show, you think they'll stick it with 4Kids, or try to strike up another contract with another broadcasting company?

I personally would love it if they stuck the Turtles in primetime!

*CyberCubed* · 12-17-2006, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Warhorse

Hey Chris, if they were to experiment with a CGI TMNT television show, you think they'll stick it with 4Kids, or try to strike up another contract with another broadcasting company?

I personally would love it if they stuck the Turtles in primetime!

If 4kids cancels TMNT after FF than obviously they've done with the franchise.

Mirage would have to look for a new partner for a new series.

Raph'N'Roll · 12-17-2006, 11:21 AM

Surely if the movie does well, Warner Bros would be an obvious choice as a partner for a TV show.
Imagi have already done TV with Father Of The Pride, but they'll be doing the TMNT sequel and will probably be too busy to do a TV version.
It should interesting anyway, to see how it all unfolds.

*CyberCubed* · 12-17-2006, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RAPH 'N' ROLL

Surely if the movie does well, Warner Bros would be an obvious choice as a partner for a TV show.

And have a re-launch of those pre-2001 WB TMNT designs on the official site?

Eh...no thanks. I hated the way Splinter, April, Baxter and Shredder looked in those designs. TMNT weren't my cup of tea either.

*Chris* · 12-17-2006, 05:06 PM

I agree Warner Bros would seem the natural partner for many reasons;

They were interested in purchasing a TMNT show before
They're involved with the movie
For a new show to start the 4Kids one would end so a new network would be needed, CW would be as good a place as any

I don't think you need to worry about the old designs. If it comes back as a CGI show and the movie does well I think WB would stick to those designs and the characters from the movie rather than redesign them all. With the models already done it would make the TV series cheaper.

Three questions:
1. Do you guys want the current show to end after FF and a new CGI one to start? Or would you rather more of the 2K3 show once the TMNT return to the present?
2. If they did a CGI show would you want it tied to the new movies or would you want it stand alone?
3. If you linked it to the movie would you want to to be set after the movie (between this film and the potential sequel), or would you want it to be set before the movie (redoing the in-continuity parts of the old movies and adding new adventures whilst avoiding tying the hands of the sequel)?

Just asking!

I personally would be very happy to see 2K3 continue. But I'm not sure I trust 4Kids anymore (after what happened with the Lost Season). I think I'd be equally happy with a good return to 2K3 or to just end the series well and move on to a new show.

If they did it CGI I think it would be good to link it to the new film. Though I'll be honest and say I'd be happy with any series.

If it's linked to the film I think I'd want the first season or two to be set before the new movie. They could retell the original movie and do a new "canon" version of "Secret of the Ooze" as well as add to the Turtles adventures before they drifted apart. Kevin Munroe has said there are loads of references to the old movies and the comics and TV show for the fans. As a prequel this series could show the adventures that these Turtles had that are hinted at in the movie. As a prequel it would also avoid stepping on the toes of any potential sequel.

Here's how I'd see it;

2007 - TMNT movie and final season of FF
2008 - TMNT Season 1 (starts with events similar to first movie, goes on to have other adventures, learn origin and ends with the defeat of the Shredder)
2009 - TMNT Season 2 (shows TMNT break apart as a family, how they go off on their own, and builds to a lead up to TMNT 2007 - covers events in the prequel comics but expands on them)

After that it would depend on what the movie plans were and how often the movies come out. I'd love it if Seasons 3+ could actually follow the movie or (even better) lead up to the next movie coming out.

*Roseangelo* · 12-17-2006, 05:51 PM

I have honestly already made peace with the likely reality that whenever they end up airing the last of Fast Forward, that will be the end of the TMNT on TV for the forseeable future.

In general the entire franchise is on the downward slope. The movie will lift it slightly, but only temporarily. My best hope is that the movie does well enough to warrant a sequel. It seems like there are tentative plot ideas in mind if they are given the opportunity, so I'd be all for that.

I would NOT want a half-assed CGI TV series. And the nature of any CGI series means you have to put up with sub-par CGI. No thank you.

I just made a long-winded rant along these lines on my personal blog, which I won't go into here. But basically if the movie gives me a solid story and is the last hurrah for the franchise for several years or even longer, I will be content.

*Kendamu* · 12-18-2006, 01:04 AM

If a new TMNT CGI series were to happen I'd want it to be kind of like the Spider-Man CGI series that came out after the first movie. A small number of one-shot episodes that could possibly be set between the new movie and a sequel but not necessarily in-continuity so that you don't have continuity errors with later movies.

I say a small number (like 13) because if you have a production team work on a small number of episodes a lot of quality and care can go into them. It's kind of in the same vein as the first five episodes of the old toon. That was some quality stuff that is just now starting to obviously show it's age.

That, and it wouldn't be freakishly expensive for me to get the whole series on DVD, either.

*Chris* · 12-18-2006, 02:49 AM

I agree with 13 episode seasons. That way more care and attention could be given to each episode.

I think that if they use the models created for the movie (characters and environments) then they could save a lot of money and might not have to cheap out as much on the CGI.

*Warhorse* · 12-18-2006, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris

I agree Warner Bros would seem the natural partner for many reasons;

They were interested in purchasing a TMNT show before
They're involved with the movie
For a new show to start the 4Kids one would end so a new network would be needed, CW would be as good a place as any

I don't think you need to worry about the old designs. If it comes back as a CGI show and the movie does well I think WB would stick to those designs and the characters from the movie rather than redesign them all. With the models already done it would make the TV series cheaper.

Three questions:
1. Do you guys want the current show to end after FF and a new CGI one to start? Or would you rather more of the 2K3 show once the TMNT return to the present?
2. If they did a CGI show would you want it tied to the new movies or would you want it stand alone?
3. If you linked it to the movie would you want to to be set after the movie (between this film and the potential sequel), or would you want it to be set before the movie (redoing the in-continuity parts of the old movies and adding new adventures whilst avoiding tying the hands of the sequel)?

Just asking!

I personally would be very happy to see 2K3 continue. But I'm not sure I trust 4Kids anymore (after what happened with the Lost Season). I think I'd be equally happy with a good return to 2K3 or to just end the series well and move on to a new show.

If they did it CGI I think it would be good to link it to the new film. Though I'll be honest and say I'd be happy with any series.

If it's linked to the film I think I'd want the first season or two to be set before the new movie. They could retell the original movie and do a new "canon" version of "Secret of the Ooze" as well as add to the Turtles adventures before they drifted apart. Kevin Munroe has said there are loads of references to the old movies and the comics and TV show for the fans. As a prequel this series could show the adventures that these Turtles had that are hinted at in the movie. As a prequel it would also avoid stepping on the toes of any potential sequel.

Here's how I'd see it;

2007 - TMNT movie and final season of FF
2008 - TMNT Season 1 (starts with events similar to first movie, goes on to have other adventures, learn origin and ends with the defeat of the Shredder)
2009 - TMNT Season 2 (shows TMNT break apart as a family, how they go off on their own, and builds to a lead up to TMNT 2007 - covers events in the prequel comics but expands on them)

After that it would depend on what the movie plans were and how often the movies come out. I'd love it if Seasons 3+ could actually follow the movie or (even better) lead up to the next movie coming out.

To answer your question about if I would rather see cgi or 2k3 version. For now, I prefer the 2k3 version. I kind of got attatched to the way the characters are portrayed, and there are still doors they could open.

I say leave the CGI for the big screen, it would have it's utmost impact to the human eye on there.

*ZariusTwo* · 12-18-2006, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by PsychoRaph

If a new TMNT CGI series were to happen I'd want it to be kind of like the Spider-Man CGI series that came out after the first movie. A small number of one-shot episodes that could possibly be set between the new movie and a sequel but not necessarily in-continuity so that you don't have continuity errors with later movies.

The Spider-Man CGI series was god awful mostly because of that reason

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Originally Posted by PsychoRaph

I say a small number (like 13) because if you have a production team work on a small number of episodes a lot of quality and care can go into them. It's kind of in the same vein as the first five episodes of the old toon. That was some quality stuff that is just now starting to obviously show it's age.

The hell it's showing it's age, it still pwns the animation in the new series by MILES.

**Jo Dawn** · 12-18-2006, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

The hell it's showing it's age, it still pwns the animation in the new series by MILES.

In your opinion.

*gobo* · 12-18-2006, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

The Spider-Man CGI series was god awful mostly because of that reason

Seriously... That's the first time I heard anyone diss Spidey CGI. I still haven't seen it myself, but I guess I ought to make an opinion someday.

As for a CGI series based on the TMNT, I'd like it if they kept the seasons small to give themselves the chance to be perfectionists. But, I'm not too keen on the idea of it following the movies continuity. I really hoped that John Woo CGI project from 2001 would happen, so maybe he could show us his what he had in mind.

*Duke* · 12-18-2006, 08:33 AM

I just don't want the TMNT to have to reinvent themselves again. I don't want to have to the start from scratch. I don't need another how april and the turtles meet storyline. With all that being said, I'd take a new show over FF any day.

*Kendamu* · 12-18-2006, 11:23 AM

If a new show took place after the new movie you wouldn't need an episode like that.

*Whitewolf89* · 12-18-2006, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

If 4kids cancels TMNT after FF than obviously they've done with the franchise.

Mirage would have to look for a new partner for a new series.

Peter would probably be better off doing that, anyway. I've personally held THAT opinion for awhile now. 4Kids is messing with the franchise just WAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY the shell too much, IMVHO.

11-30-2006, 12:31 PM	#1
U2WaTCHer Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 365	Now that FF is almost done will TMNT return or end? Hi I think I heard theirs only going to be 15 eps or something of FF have you guys heard anything if TMNT will continue or will it end here? Will 4kids bring it back or will there be a ending? Or better yet go back to the old way or do a power rangers and have a theme every year to re-invent TMNT. __________________ Krang ------ Long Live The Krang Legions!------

11-30-2006, 01:53 PM	#3
Jo Dawn Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Authority On All Things Don Posts: 5,190	Right now FF is two seasons of 13. Not one. I'm sorry to have to break that to you. __________________

12-17-2006, 05:06 PM	#10
Chris Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,898	I agree Warner Bros would seem the natural partner for many reasons; They were interested in purchasing a TMNT show before They're involved with the movie For a new show to start the 4Kids one would end so a new network would be needed, CW would be as good a place as any I don't think you need to worry about the old designs. If it comes back as a CGI show and the movie does well I think WB would stick to those designs and the characters from the movie rather than redesign them all. With the models already done it would make the TV series cheaper. Three questions: 1. Do you guys want the current show to end after FF and a new CGI one to start? Or would you rather more of the 2K3 show once the TMNT return to the present? 2. If they did a CGI show would you want it tied to the new movies or would you want it stand alone? 3. If you linked it to the movie would you want to to be set after the movie (between this film and the potential sequel), or would you want it to be set before the movie (redoing the in-continuity parts of the old movies and adding new adventures whilst avoiding tying the hands of the sequel)? Just asking! I personally would be very happy to see 2K3 continue. But I'm not sure I trust 4Kids anymore (after what happened with the Lost Season). I think I'd be equally happy with a good return to 2K3 or to just end the series well and move on to a new show. If they did it CGI I think it would be good to link it to the new film. Though I'll be honest and say I'd be happy with any series. If it's linked to the film I think I'd want the first season or two to be set before the new movie. They could retell the original movie and do a new "canon" version of "Secret of the Ooze" as well as add to the Turtles adventures before they drifted apart. Kevin Munroe has said there are loads of references to the old movies and the comics and TV show for the fans. As a prequel this series could show the adventures that these Turtles had that are hinted at in the movie. As a prequel it would also avoid stepping on the toes of any potential sequel. Here's how I'd see it; 2007 - TMNT movie and final season of FF 2008 - TMNT Season 1 (starts with events similar to first movie, goes on to have other adventures, learn origin and ends with the defeat of the Shredder) 2009 - TMNT Season 2 (shows TMNT break apart as a family, how they go off on their own, and builds to a lead up to TMNT 2007 - covers events in the prequel comics but expands on them) After that it would depend on what the movie plans were and how often the movies come out. I'd love it if Seasons 3+ could actually follow the movie or (even better) lead up to the next movie coming out.

12-17-2006, 05:51 PM	#11
Roseangelo Emperor Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: California Posts: 9,105	I have honestly already made peace with the likely reality that whenever they end up airing the last of Fast Forward, that will be the end of the TMNT on TV for the forseeable future. In general the entire franchise is on the downward slope. The movie will lift it slightly, but only temporarily. My best hope is that the movie does well enough to warrant a sequel. It seems like there are tentative plot ideas in mind if they are given the opportunity, so I'd be all for that. I would NOT want a half-assed CGI TV series. And the nature of any CGI series means you have to put up with sub-par CGI. No thank you. I just made a long-winded rant along these lines on my personal blog, which I won't go into here. But basically if the movie gives me a solid story and is the last hurrah for the franchise for several years or even longer, I will be content. __________________ www.ninjapizza.net www.colorsbyrosemary.com

11-30-2006, 12:50 PM	#2
Ratchet Foot Soldier Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 167	I think by the time FF wraps up completely, we'll be near enough to the movie that it probably won't matter. I have a feeling it may all come to an end somewhere around the movie, but the movie will spark it's own spin-off (none of that is official, just speculating of course!).

12-17-2006, 08:20 AM	#5
Chris Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,898	Here's what I think; 4Kids split Fast Forward and pulled Lost Season from the DVD release schedule so they could air the Ninja Tribunal episodes early next year when the movie gets released. Probably just wishful thinking but it does make some sort of sense. A 13 episode DVD set (Ninja Tribunal + 12 "Lost" episodes) would then be released around the time of the movie DVD. It's the best way for them to cash in on the LS episodes. Next season will be the remaining 12 FF episodes. I believe they will end with the TMNT returning home. FF was always said to be 26 stand alone episodes and I don't think the ratings or sales have had the jump they expected so there's no reason to keep them in the future. After that the show could go back to normal (possibley exploring some of the ideas put forward in "The Journal") or come to a close. If it comes to a close I would expect a CGI series (Peter Laird has always wanted to do CGI TMNT) to replace it. This could be stand alone or related to the new movie but I doubt it would relate to the current show.

12-17-2006, 09:10 AM	#6
Warhorse Emperor Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 5,544	Hey Chris, if they were to experiment with a CGI TMNT television show, you think they'll stick it with 4Kids, or try to strike up another contract with another broadcasting company? I personally would love it if they stuck the Turtles in primetime!

12-17-2006, 11:21 AM	#8
Raph'N'Roll Hench Mutant Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Ireland Posts: 313	Surely if the movie does well, Warner Bros would be an obvious choice as a partner for a TV show. Imagi have already done TV with Father Of The Pride, but they'll be doing the TMNT sequel and will probably be too busy to do a TV version. It should interesting anyway, to see how it all unfolds.

12-18-2006, 01:04 AM	#12
Kendamu Sewerhead Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 2,890	If a new TMNT CGI series were to happen I'd want it to be kind of like the Spider-Man CGI series that came out after the first movie. A small number of one-shot episodes that could possibly be set between the new movie and a sequel but not necessarily in-continuity so that you don't have continuity errors with later movies. I say a small number (like 13) because if you have a production team work on a small number of episodes a lot of quality and care can go into them. It's kind of in the same vein as the first five episodes of the old toon. That was some quality stuff that is just now starting to obviously show it's age. That, and it wouldn't be freakishly expensive for me to get the whole series on DVD, either.

12-18-2006, 02:49 AM	#13
Chris Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,898	I agree with 13 episode seasons. That way more care and attention could be given to each episode. I think that if they use the models created for the movie (characters and environments) then they could save a lot of money and might not have to cheap out as much on the CGI.

12-18-2006, 08:33 AM	#18
Duke Mad Scientist Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,913	I just don't want the TMNT to have to reinvent themselves again. I don't want to have to the start from scratch. I don't need another how april and the turtles meet storyline. With all that being said, I'd take a new show over FF any day.

12-18-2006, 11:23 AM	#19
Kendamu Sewerhead Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 2,890	If a new show took place after the new movie you wouldn't need an episode like that.