Jedi Master Yoda vs Ninja Master Splinter

Mouse · 01-22-2003, 10:44 AM

A little disclaimer: I don't go around trying to flame people or his or hers interests, but only encourage fruitful discussion. Not to mentio, I graciously do not put down others or his or hers threads, so I am asking that whatever respect you give others you give that same to me. For I did nothing to you, so do not take your vents out on me...

Now on to the thread...I hope!

Ok, ninjas and jedi. Well, the two are equal. Doing what each does to make it through the times. Let me think...Yoda is ancient, Splinter is at the prime of his life. Yoda can prove he's got skills, so can Splinter. Both are masters. Each care for the individuals both instruct. Yoda teaches at a temple, Splinter a sewer. Jedi were the guardians of peace in the galaxy before the Empire, ninjas just vanish...Jedi use the force and are atuned to it...ninjas draw upon inner strength and focus it onto his or hers goal. The force will always be with you, ninjas fade away into the darkness to fight another day. Strict codes of devotion are a jedi's life, ways of silence and secrecy are the ninja's. Jedi have laser swords, ninjas have katanas...lasers are fun

ok that is my rant...later...
i'm a star wars chica, and damn proud of it!!!

**HorseTechie** · 01-22-2003, 11:09 AM

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A little disclaimer: I don't go around trying to flame people or his or hers interests, but only encourage fruitful discussion. Not to mentio, I graciously do not put down others or his or hers threads, so I am asking that whatever respect you give others you give that same to me. For I did nothing to you, so do not take your vents out on me...

Hear hear!

Yeah, I agree with your points. And as soon as I find that one George Lucas article (very hard task, it is now) I'd post it here. Otherwise. I guess we have to nudge it out of Heretic. Or something.

*wishes her mind was more like a sponge... so she could still remember all the details she read two years ago*

*sai*

*heretic888* · 01-22-2003, 04:57 PM

what exactly do you want to know, HT??

*That Matt Guy* · 01-22-2003, 08:30 PM

Couldn't Yoda just use the force and choke Splinter to death?

~~Reznorite420~~ · 01-22-2003, 09:18 PM

Ah, but Yoda is puny, and despite what he said in Empire, size will matter if he goes against Splinter. Splinter has the moves and the Confucionism to boot

He'll try to talk Yoda to defeat with his advice...

**Machias Banshee** · 01-23-2003, 09:38 AM

LOL, I'm SO glad someone started this convo!

It would be hilarious if the characters from TMNT and SW got together, Splinter and Yoda would talk philosophies, Leo and Luke could compare swordsmanship (or in Image terms, cyberprosthetics

), Leia and April could chat about guy issues, Casey and Chew would go gangbanging (fighting gangs sense!) Raph and Han could chat about fighting, Young Anakin and Don about electronics, and Shredder and Vader could compare their outfits and who's got a more ominous voice!

I must say, if there was anything i'd like to see, it would be Splinter in the outfit of the black jedi master, and both of the masters having a good sword/lightsaber session with their students--that would be one SWEET class to attend!

*gets inspired to draw*

**Karpo_007** · 01-23-2003, 10:43 AM

Young Anakin and Vader speaking to diffrent people at the same time?

**Machias Banshee** · 01-23-2003, 10:59 AM

Hey, its fiction, anythings possible!

Heck, We could get Krang and Jabba together to chat too!

*heretic888* · 01-23-2003, 11:42 AM

i see.......

If you all recall 'The River' storyarch in the Mirage series, Splinter is quite capable of generating a giant energy fist to fly ten miles away and smack someone else. I think he'd give ol Yoda a run for his money.

**HorseTechie** · 01-23-2003, 11:49 AM

*gar... deletes offending posts and PMs ZAO*

Oh yeah... very much so.

But as I was saying, Heretic, You had touched on this breiafly int he toher thread, but it didn't seem to relate much. I guess what I was hunting for, is that in what ways the Force does relate to chi-energy. Would a Ninja be able to pick up large objects and move them about? And if a ninja master is also able to use the mind control abilities like a Jedi.

I had felt (from watching Episode one) that being a Jedi also means one has psionic talent. Like telekenisis and telepathy. Whereas, the typical ninja would only have chi energy to work with. ...?

*heretic888* · 01-23-2003, 02:04 PM

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But as I was saying, Heretic, You had touched on this breiafly int he toher thread, but it didn't seem to relate much. I guess what I was hunting for, is that in what ways the Force does relate to chi-energy. Would a Ninja be able to pick up large objects and move them about? And if a ninja master is also able to use the mind control abilities like a Jedi.

I had felt (from watching Episode one) that being a Jedi also means one has psionic talent. Like telekenisis and telepathy. Whereas, the typical ninja would only have chi energy to work with. ...?

I assume you are referring to 'real' ninja here, so I will address the discussion as such.

Well, to begin this discussion you need to understand first what ki (Japanese transliteration of ch'i) is, or at least how it is defined in the ninjutsu tradition. In 'The Ninja and Their Secret Fighting Art', Stephen K. Hayes relates the first conversation he had with this generation's ninjutsu grandmaster:

"[...] the ninja learns to use the dynamic force of the universe. The West does not acknowledge anything like this force. The Orient sees it in everything living as well as static. The trick is to learn how to tune into this natural force and make it work for one. Natural body movement eventually replaces conventional muscle power in fighting, whether one is punching or slashing with a sword. In this way, even an old and seemingly weak ninja is still capable of exercising great power. In fact, the older he gets, the stronger he gets."

In 'Ninjutsu: History and Tradition', Dr. Masaaki Hatsumi (the current ninjutsu soke [head of the family] of this generation) states:

"The word 'ki' in the Japanese language is defined as the universal dynamic force, the energy behind the 'spirit' of everything in existence or potentially in existence. 'Ai' is the root form for Japanese words that translate as 'harmony', 'coming together', and 'associating'. As interpreted by the densho scrolls compiled by the former headmasters of the Togakure ryu, the concept of 'kiai' is literally translated as 'harmonizing with the dynamic force of the universe'. 'Kiaijutsu', therefore, is the technique of being in harmony with this dynamic force in order to act and react with what is appropriate. It means attuning with the total flow of energies and happenings of which we are a part. All the individual pieces and aspects merge as one flow."

Needless to say, the ninjutsu concept of 'ki' is more or less identical with Lucas' concept of the 'Force'. To my eyes anyway, there is no difference between the two.

I will stop for now, and answer any questions you might have, and then continue on with the discussion later.

**Karpo_007** · 01-23-2003, 02:25 PM

Well I think Lucas has confessed that Most of the Star wars mythology is greatly Influenced by Eastern culture.

*That Matt Guy* · 01-23-2003, 02:42 PM

One thing I don't get about the whole Jedi thing is: If they can shoot lightning from their hands and choke people with the force, why do they even need lightsabers?

**Machias Banshee** · 01-23-2003, 02:50 PM

Yoda: cuz its Cool...

~~Tokka-B~~ · 01-23-2003, 02:54 PM

Did you see Episode 2? The fight between Yoda and the other dude? That is why they need lightsabers, you can't solve everything by the force obviously.

**Karpo_007** · 01-23-2003, 03:51 PM

And it must take a lot out of A Jedi. And I think that the lighting thing might be a sith ability.

*heretic888* · 01-25-2003, 12:08 PM

anyone actually have any questions about the stuff i posted??? ht?

if not, i'll just continue in a bit....

*Eye of Sarnath* · 01-25-2003, 11:28 PM

Yoda would win, just cause he would. He's a Jedi and all that, you know what I mean?

Though would Yoda and Splinter fight each other? I mean, aren't they both pacifists?

*That Matt Guy* · 01-26-2003, 12:59 AM

Why not Darth Vader vs Shredder? or and Luke vs Krang's Android Body? or Princess Leia vs Irma?

**Karpo_007** · 01-26-2003, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Eye of Sarnath

Yoda would win, just cause he would. He's a Jedi and all that, you know what I mean?

Though would Yoda and Splinter fight each other? I mean, aren't they both pacifists?

Splinter is not a pacifist, atleast not at the time of first issue.

01-22-2003, 10:44 AM	#1
Mouse Foot Soldier Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Kansas Posts: 156	Jedi Master Yoda vs Ninja Master Splinter A little disclaimer: I don't go around trying to flame people or his or hers interests, but only encourage fruitful discussion. Not to mentio, I graciously do not put down others or his or hers threads, so I am asking that whatever respect you give others you give that same to me. For I did nothing to you, so do not take your vents out on me... Now on to the thread...I hope! Ok, ninjas and jedi. Well, the two are equal. Doing what each does to make it through the times. Let me think...Yoda is ancient, Splinter is at the prime of his life. Yoda can prove he's got skills, so can Splinter. Both are masters. Each care for the individuals both instruct. Yoda teaches at a temple, Splinter a sewer. Jedi were the guardians of peace in the galaxy before the Empire, ninjas just vanish...Jedi use the force and are atuned to it...ninjas draw upon inner strength and focus it onto his or hers goal. The force will always be with you, ninjas fade away into the darkness to fight another day. Strict codes of devotion are a jedi's life, ways of silence and secrecy are the ninja's. Jedi have laser swords, ninjas have katanas...lasers are fun ok that is my rant...later... i'm a star wars chica, and damn proud of it!!! __________________ So what we're blood brothers now?

01-22-2003, 04:57 PM	#3
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	eh? what exactly do you want to know, HT?? __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

01-23-2003, 11:42 AM	#9
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	hmmmmm i see....... If you all recall 'The River' storyarch in the Mirage series, Splinter is quite capable of generating a giant energy fist to fly ten miles away and smack someone else. I think he'd give ol Yoda a run for his money. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

01-25-2003, 12:08 PM	#17
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	errrrr.... anyone actually have any questions about the stuff i posted??? ht? if not, i'll just continue in a bit.... __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

01-25-2003, 11:28 PM	#18
Eye of Sarnath Mad Scientist Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: NY Posts: 1,590	Yoda would win, just cause he would. He's a Jedi and all that, you know what I mean? Though would Yoda and Splinter fight each other? I mean, aren't they both pacifists? __________________ "When I was real small I heard about this thing called the decline of civilization... and I decided that it was something I would like to become involved in." -George Carlin

01-22-2003, 08:30 PM	#4
That Matt Guy Honey Bunches Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lone Star State Posts: 5,840	Couldn't Yoda just use the force and choke Splinter to death?

01-22-2003, 09:18 PM	#5
~~Reznorite420~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 3,851	Ah, but Yoda is puny, and despite what he said in Empire, size will matter if he goes against Splinter. Splinter has the moves and the Confucionism to boot He'll try to talk Yoda to defeat with his advice...

01-23-2003, 09:38 AM	#6
Machias Banshee Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 17,163	LOL, I'm SO glad someone started this convo! It would be hilarious if the characters from TMNT and SW got together, Splinter and Yoda would talk philosophies, Leo and Luke could compare swordsmanship (or in Image terms, cyberprosthetics ), Leia and April could chat about guy issues, Casey and Chew would go gangbanging (fighting gangs sense!) Raph and Han could chat about fighting, Young Anakin and Don about electronics, and Shredder and Vader could compare their outfits and who's got a more ominous voice! I must say, if there was anything i'd like to see, it would be Splinter in the outfit of the black jedi master, and both of the masters having a good sword/lightsaber session with their students--that would be one SWEET class to attend! gets inspired to draw

01-23-2003, 10:43 AM	#7
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Young Anakin and Vader speaking to diffrent people at the same time?

01-23-2003, 10:59 AM	#8
Machias Banshee Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 17,163	Hey, its fiction, anythings possible! Heck, We could get Krang and Jabba together to chat too!

01-23-2003, 11:49 AM	#10
HorseTechie Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Midwest Posts: 5,677	gar... deletes offending posts and PMs ZAO Oh yeah... very much so. But as I was saying, Heretic, You had touched on this breiafly int he toher thread, but it didn't seem to relate much. I guess what I was hunting for, is that in what ways the Force does relate to chi-energy. Would a Ninja be able to pick up large objects and move them about? And if a ninja master is also able to use the mind control abilities like a Jedi. I had felt (from watching Episode one) that being a Jedi also means one has psionic talent. Like telekenisis and telepathy. Whereas, the typical ninja would only have chi energy to work with. ...?

01-23-2003, 02:25 PM	#12
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Well I think Lucas has confessed that Most of the Star wars mythology is greatly Influenced by Eastern culture.

01-23-2003, 02:42 PM	#13
That Matt Guy Honey Bunches Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lone Star State Posts: 5,840	One thing I don't get about the whole Jedi thing is: If they can shoot lightning from their hands and choke people with the force, why do they even need lightsabers?

01-23-2003, 02:50 PM	#14
Machias Banshee Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 17,163	Yoda: cuz its Cool...

01-23-2003, 02:54 PM	#15
~~Tokka-B~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Lost Sewer Posts: 1,829	Did you see Episode 2? The fight between Yoda and the other dude? That is why they need lightsabers, you can't solve everything by the force obviously.

01-23-2003, 03:51 PM	#16
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	And it must take a lot out of A Jedi. And I think that the lighting thing might be a sith ability.

01-26-2003, 12:59 AM	#19
That Matt Guy Honey Bunches Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lone Star State Posts: 5,840	Why not Darth Vader vs Shredder? or and Luke vs Krang's Android Body? or Princess Leia vs Irma?