Why are other cartoons set in the future better than FF?

The Master Meglomaniac · 03-24-2007, 08:41 PM

It seems the 2003 tMNT cartoon jumped the shark with the FF episodes, but I wonder why that is. Other cartoons like Phamton 2040 or Batman Beyond, were set in the future and they were still good, why not FF?

kerfootw · 03-24-2007, 08:47 PM

Well look at them again and maybe you'll see.

The Master Meglomaniac · 03-24-2007, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kerfootw

Well look at them again and maybe you'll see.

Well the clear answer is the childish writing and the cliched characters, but why is it the TMNT get dumbed down when the concept is introduced in the future timeline, but other heroes like Batman do not.

**Jester** · 03-24-2007, 09:07 PM

The reason Batman: Beyond works as a futurized version of Batman:TAS is because the tone isn't as drastically different. Yes Batman: Beyond was a pit more bright than TAS but not as severely drastic as TMNT:>>

*ZariusTwo* · 03-24-2007, 09:11 PM

Because 4Kids presently are more case sensetive than WB, who allowed Timm and his collaberators free reign with their sophisticated storylines and characters. The same applies to 2040, which had well known Aeon Flux creator Peter Chung handling it.

The Master Meglomaniac · 03-24-2007, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester

The reason Batman: Beyond works as a futurized version of Batman:TAS is because the tone isn't as drastically different. Yes Batman: Beyond was a pit more bright than TAS but not as severely drastic as TMNT:>>

That's true, I think FF would have been cool if it kept the dark tone of the previous seasons, just set in the future. Maybe something a little more cyber punk.

*ToTheNines* · 03-25-2007, 09:24 AM

It's because FF takes the TMNT totally out of their element. No more hiding from humans, no more jumping down manholes, splinter is a minor character, Casey and April are gone, no Foot Clan.... there's more, but thinking about all these f-ups makes me sick

*Spitfire* · 03-25-2007, 11:07 AM

Okay I don't know what future shows you watched but only Batman Beyond was good in my opinion. Take a second look at Spider-man Unlimited and you'll see why.

On that note Beyond went downhill. They did to many high school stories and the series got dull after the first season. While season 2 and 3 had good episodes those seasons as a whole didn't match the quality of season 1.

Also it ran off the steam of Batman TAS, and since Gotham Knights was such a piece of **** Beyond really stood out.

And again you all know FF was supposed to happen. Watch the episodes again. You will see they were written to be dark. But the animation style and down toning hold it back.

*ZariusTwo* · 03-25-2007, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Spitfire666xXxXx

Okay I don't know what future shows you watched but only Batman Beyond was good in my opinion. Take a second look at Spider-man Unlimited and you'll see why.

On that note Beyond went downhill. They did to many high school stories and the series got dull after the first season. While season 2 and 3 had good episodes those seasons as a whole didn't match the quality of season 1.

Amen. When most fans talk about Beyond, they remember the entire first season, "The Call", ROTJ ,and "Epilouge", that's pretty much it. and "Out of the Past" was as appropriate a series finale as anything, but they HAD to air "Unmasked" in it's place. Idiots

*Spitfire* · 03-25-2007, 11:44 AM

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Amen. When most fans talk about Beyond, they remember the entire first season, "The Call", ROTJ ,and "Epilouge", that's pretty much it. and "Out of the Past" was as appropriate a series finale as anything, but they HAD to air "Unmasked" in it's place. Idiots

On the season 3 DVD they actually stated that Unmasked was just an episode that WB never aired because they canceled the show before they could. So later Cartoon Network aired it. It was never intended to be a series finial.

They also said they never felt like concluding any of their shows and they thought it worked better to just finish the series with another episode. They said they would never work on it again but would love to see someone else work with the mythology they set up.

But yeah, season 2 had it's moments as well but it seemed to focused on the same villains and episodes like "Terry's Friend Dates A Robot" don't help it much either.

**Jester** · 03-25-2007, 11:48 AM

I agree, even Timm in the "commentary" on Batman: Beyond vol 3 says that the "series finale" was lack luster and kinda fooled a lot of fans when it aired on CN. (doh! Sorry Spitz...posted at the same time...

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I kinda wish that there'd be more "Direct to DVD" movies (at least in the quality of Return of the Joke, or mask of the Phantasm.) The characters really lend themselves to 90 min animated featyures well.

*Spitfire* · 03-25-2007, 11:57 AM

They said when they do a Batman show they made sure the voice actors were acting like it was live action not just a cartoon. That's where the quality really comes in.

Cool little side note, the Batman Beyond season 3 set has a trailer for the TMNT movie on it. But I guess being distributed by Warner brothers that's not to out of the ordinary.

**Jester** · 03-25-2007, 12:02 PM

Yeah, what's weird about that trailer, it's the 3/30/07 trailer....

*Spitfire* · 03-25-2007, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester

Yeah, what's weird about that trailer, it's the 3/30/07 trailer....

Yeah I was expecting one of the newer trailers. I turned it off after I saw it was the first one we got.

While on a Batman note, am I alone in thinking Gotham Nights was horrible? It has some good episodes but it felt wayyyyy to kiddy. And I remember them commenting on making it that way on purpose because they wanted to lighten the tone after TAS.

**Jester** · 03-25-2007, 12:13 PM

I like the stories, the change in art direction kills me. Catwoman look to...blah. The only character that does good in the re-fit is Scarecrow. My pal Bob, who's blind said it best when he said, "I'm kind of glad I can't see the animation change, cause it's all Batman to me."

The Master Meglomaniac · 03-25-2007, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Spitfire666xXxXx

Okay I don't know what future shows you watched but only Batman Beyond was good in my opinion. Take a second look at Spider-man Unlimited and you'll see why.

On that note Beyond went downhill. They did to many high school stories and the series got dull after the first season. While season 2 and 3 had good episodes those seasons as a whole didn't match the quality of season 1.

Also it ran off the steam of Batman TAS, and since Gotham Knights was such a piece of **** Beyond really stood out.

And again you all know FF was supposed to happen. Watch the episodes again. You will see they were written to be dark. But the animation style and down toning hold it back.

I guess you never saw Phantom 2040 then, eh? Besides Spider-Man Unlimited wasn't set in the future, it was set on an alternate Earth.

*VaughnMichael* · 03-25-2007, 01:09 PM

all I'm gonna say in reply to all of this when asking why are other future shows better than fast forward?
You have to ask yourself why do kids like Apple Jacks?

*Spitfire* · 03-25-2007, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by The Master Meglomaniac

I guess you never saw Phantom 2040 then, eh? Besides Spider-Man Unlimited wasn't set in the future, it was set on an alternate Earth.

A futuristic earth in which Spider-man has a futuristic outfit with cloaking devices on it and other stuff. The fact that it was on another Earth made it even lamer. It jumped on trend just like all those other shows.

No I never saw Phantom 2040, I glanced over it at work. Being int he anime section I dismissed it instantly. Also images of the terrible live action Phantom movie I saw when I was a kid stuck in my head.

creativerealms82 · 03-25-2007, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Because 4Kids presently are more case sensetive than WB, who allowed Timm and his collaberators free reign with their sophisticated storylines and characters. The same applies to 2040, which had well known Aeon Flux creator Peter Chung handling it.

He asked why Phantom 2040 was good not why it should have sucked. Being handled by the utter waste of human existance that is Petter Chung is more then enough reason why 2040 should have sucked eggs.

anyway Phantom did not have a great show to live up to Thats Fast Forward's problem, it's a decent show in the shadows of four and a half seasons of great show. Fast Forward is like getting Prime Rib year after year and then heing handed a hamberger. It's still tastey and fills you up but not what you wanted after all that much better stuff you had.

Sure people won't agree with me but that's what I believe Fast Forward is not that bad we are just use to better.

*VaughnMichael* · 03-25-2007, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by creativerealms82

Fast Forward is like getting Prime Rib year after year and then heing handed a hamberger. It's still tastey and fills you up but not what you wanted after all that much better stuff you had.

ahahahahhah best metaphor ever!

03-24-2007, 08:41 PM	#1
The Master Meglomaniac Foot Soldier Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 131	Why are other cartoons set in the future better than FF? It seems the 2003 tMNT cartoon jumped the shark with the FF episodes, but I wonder why that is. Other cartoons like Phamton 2040 or Batman Beyond, were set in the future and they were still good, why not FF?

03-24-2007, 09:07 PM	#4
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,293	The reason Batman: Beyond works as a futurized version of Batman:TAS is because the tone isn't as drastically different. Yes Batman: Beyond was a pit more bright than TAS but not as severely drastic as TMNT:>> __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

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03-25-2007, 11:07 AM	#8
Spitfire Writer • Director Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,035	Okay I don't know what future shows you watched but only Batman Beyond was good in my opinion. Take a second look at Spider-man Unlimited and you'll see why. On that note Beyond went downhill. They did to many high school stories and the series got dull after the first season. While season 2 and 3 had good episodes those seasons as a whole didn't match the quality of season 1. Also it ran off the steam of Batman TAS, and since Gotham Knights was such a piece of ** Beyond really stood out. And again you all know FF was supposed to happen. Watch the episodes again. You will see they were written to be dark. But the animation style and down toning hold it back. __________________ Check out my online portfolio** http://www.christopherpelletier.com/

03-25-2007, 11:48 AM	#11
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,293	I agree, even Timm in the "commentary" on Batman: Beyond vol 3 says that the "series finale" was lack luster and kinda fooled a lot of fans when it aired on CN. (doh! Sorry Spitz...posted at the same time...) I kinda wish that there'd be more "Direct to DVD" movies (at least in the quality of Return of the Joke, or mask of the Phantasm.) The characters really lend themselves to 90 min animated featyures well. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

03-24-2007, 08:47 PM	#2
kerfootw Hench Mutant Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 405	Well look at them again and maybe you'll see.

03-25-2007, 09:24 AM	#7
ToTheNines Col. Stinkmeaner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,055	It's because FF takes the TMNT totally out of their element. No more hiding from humans, no more jumping down manholes, splinter is a minor character, Casey and April are gone, no Foot Clan.... there's more, but thinking about all these f-ups makes me sick

03-25-2007, 11:57 AM	#12
Spitfire Writer • Director Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,035	They said when they do a Batman show they made sure the voice actors were acting like it was live action not just a cartoon. That's where the quality really comes in. Cool little side note, the Batman Beyond season 3 set has a trailer for the TMNT movie on it. But I guess being distributed by Warner brothers that's not to out of the ordinary. __________________ Check out my online portfolio http://www.christopherpelletier.com/

03-25-2007, 12:02 PM	#13
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,293	Yeah, what's weird about that trailer, it's the 3/30/07 trailer.... __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

03-25-2007, 12:13 PM	#15
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,293	I like the stories, the change in art direction kills me. Catwoman look to...blah. The only character that does good in the re-fit is Scarecrow. My pal Bob, who's blind said it best when he said, "I'm kind of glad I can't see the animation change, cause it's all Batman to me." __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

03-25-2007, 01:09 PM	#17
VaughnMichael I'm Baaaaaaccck! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 11,833	all I'm gonna say in reply to all of this when asking why are other future shows better than fast forward? You have to ask yourself why do kids like Apple Jacks?