utrom shredder's past?

phillytmnt · 05-05-2007, 02:04 PM

After watching all of the lost season, I was left wondering about what was the utrom shredder's connection with everything. His past and link with the shredder is still a mystery. I don't think he just woke up one day and decided to just take on the mantle of the shredder. He had to have knowledge of it somehow.
We do know from one of the letter comments by peter laird in tmnt vol 4. issue 22 that when the utrom shredder crash landed in Japan, he went around with his exo suit and mastered every martial art he could. But how did he learn ninjutsu?, start the foot clan?, or learn about the shredder and take on his mantle? Did he ever trick the ninja tribinal into training him to be an acolite? Did he learn ninjutsu and info about the shredder from the ancient one?

Any thoughts, speculation, or opinions are welcomed.

*Ninjinister* · 05-05-2007, 07:46 PM

We know a bit about his life on the Utrom homeworld, thanks to Slashuur's flashback in TMNT2: Battle Nexus (if that's considered canon). But other than that, Ch'rell's life is pretty much an unresolved mystery. And with the Lost Season's relevations on the entity known as The Shredder, it makes it even more mysterious.

*Revan* · 05-05-2007, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by phillytmnt

We do know from one of the letter comments by peter laird in tmnt vol 4. issue 22 that when the utrom shredder crash landed in Japan, he went around with his exo suit and mastered every martial art he could. But how did he learn ninjutsu?, start the foot clan?, or learn about the shredder and take on his mantle?

Well since chrell has been around for thousands of years. He would have had plenty of time to learn ninjitsu and learn about oroku saki. He may have even been there while oroku saki was battling the demon.
He used the sword of tengu to gain victories and power. Through all his newly gained power, followers came to him and he gained the means to start a clan.

chrell might have even been around while oroku saki was battling the demon. Chrell probably thought it a good idea to present himself as the shredder because the shredder was so powerful.

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Originally Posted by phillytmnt

Did he ever trick the ninja tribinal into training him to be an acolite? Did he learn ninjutsu and info about the shredder from the ancient one?

Chrell was never an acolyte. The tribunal would have known that he was not the true oroku saki.

phillytmnt · 05-06-2007, 10:32 AM

"chrell might have even been around while oroku saki was battling the demon. Chrell probably thought it a good idea to present himself as the shredder because the shredder was so powerful".

Actually I think the evil utrom came centries after the whole battle between the five dragons and the shredder tengu.

"Chrell was never an acolyte. The tribunal would have known that he was not the true oroku saki".

I was thinking that before the evil utrom took on the disguise of Oroku Saki, he encountered the ninja tribinal and somehow convienced them that he was good. After that, maybe the tribinal saw potential for him to be a good warrior so trained him to fight not knowing that Chrell was using them. I think that would of been a good way for him too not only learn ninjutsu, but info about the shredder as well

Zechs · 05-06-2007, 12:49 PM

Probably heard of the legends and of the Tribunal. Then decided to make a reverse of one with him the only head and legions of pupils aka the Foot.

I kinda wonder why the Tribunal would let him roam freely using the name of Saki and Shredder?

Spawn Guy · 05-06-2007, 02:56 PM

Weren't they guarding the artefacts from anyone who would try and resurrect the true shredder? They clearly didn't give a damn about him when Yoshi came to them.

*Revan* · 05-06-2007, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Zechs

I kinda wonder why the Tribunal would let him roam freely using the name of Saki and Shredder?

It's not really their concern. Their only concern is demon saki.

Spawn Guy · 05-06-2007, 08:07 PM

They probably could have wasted him in seconds. The Mystics too. But since they were under the imposters control, they probably weren't a threat. After all, he's not going to want to bring back the origonal all powerful demon Shredder. Probably why the Tribunal did nothing about him.

*Revan* · 05-06-2007, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Spawn Guy

They probably could have wasted him in seconds. The Mystics too. But since they were under the imposters control, they probably weren't a threat. After all, he's not going to want to bring back the origonal all powerful demon Shredder. Probably why the Tribunal did nothing about him.

Good point. Actually the tribunal probably approved of what chrell was doing since chrell somehow had control of the mystics. As long as chrell had the mystics, they could not resurect demon saki and recover the relics.

*gobo* · 05-06-2007, 08:49 PM

I'd still like to think that Churell (whose actual spelling we may never know) forged a deal with The Ninja Tribunal. In exchange for removing The Shredder's Heralds from their concern, he was given free reign of destruction on Japan. So, The Tribunal chose the lesser of the two evils in order to properly end the whole conflict years later.

*Revan* · 05-06-2007, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by gobo

I'd still like to think that Churell (whose actual spelling we may never know) forged a deal with The Ninja Tribunal. In exchange for removing The Shredder's Heralds from their concern, he was given free reign of destruction on Japan. So, The Tribunal chose the lesser of the two evils in order to properly end the whole conflict years later.

That sounds like it could actually have been an episode. Nice thinking.

And for the record, ninjaturtles.com displays the spelling as "ch'rell"

*gobo* · 05-07-2007, 02:26 AM

Thanks for the validation and the info. ^_^

*odupianist* · 05-07-2007, 07:14 AM

Maybe Ch'rell learned of the demon Saki from the Mystics. Maybe he stumbled on to the Mystics somehow.

05-05-2007, 02:04 PM	#1
phillytmnt Thug Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 79	utrom shredder's past? After watching all of the lost season, I was left wondering about what was the utrom shredder's connection with everything. His past and link with the shredder is still a mystery. I don't think he just woke up one day and decided to just take on the mantle of the shredder. He had to have knowledge of it somehow. We do know from one of the letter comments by peter laird in tmnt vol 4. issue 22 that when the utrom shredder crash landed in Japan, he went around with his exo suit and mastered every martial art he could. But how did he learn ninjutsu?, start the foot clan?, or learn about the shredder and take on his mantle? Did he ever trick the ninja tribinal into training him to be an acolite? Did he learn ninjutsu and info about the shredder from the ancient one? Any thoughts, speculation, or opinions are welcomed.

05-05-2007, 07:46 PM	#2
Ninjinister 無問題 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Moesko Island, WA Posts: 14,348	We know a bit about his life on the Utrom homeworld, thanks to Slashuur's flashback in TMNT2: Battle Nexus (if that's considered canon). But other than that, Ch'rell's life is pretty much an unresolved mystery. And with the Lost Season's relevations on the entity known as The Shredder, it makes it even more mysterious. __________________

05-06-2007, 12:49 PM	#5
Zechs Thug Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: IL Posts: 56	Probably heard of the legends and of the Tribunal. Then decided to make a reverse of one with him the only head and legions of pupils aka the Foot. I kinda wonder why the Tribunal would let him roam freely using the name of Saki and Shredder? __________________

05-06-2007, 02:56 PM	#6
Spawn Guy Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Earth 616 Posts: 1,481	Weren't they guarding the artefacts from anyone who would try and resurrect the true shredder? They clearly didn't give a damn about him when Yoshi came to them. __________________ *THE TECHNODROME'S LITTLE YELLOW BOX LOVER* madpiratebunny (19:26:51): oh goodness, I've got an idea SpawnGuyThing (19:26:57): Do tell madpiratebunny (19:27:02): nononono madpiratebunny (19:27:05): no telling SpawnGuyThing (19:27:10): ... SpawnGuyThing (19:27:27): But I'm the imaginery friend you always wanted SpawnGuyThing (19:27:36): Your supposed to tell me everything

05-06-2007, 08:07 PM	#8
Spawn Guy Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Earth 616 Posts: 1,481	They probably could have wasted him in seconds. The Mystics too. But since they were under the imposters control, they probably weren't a threat. After all, he's not going to want to bring back the origonal all powerful demon Shredder. Probably why the Tribunal did nothing about him. __________________ *THE TECHNODROME'S LITTLE YELLOW BOX LOVER* madpiratebunny (19:26:51): oh goodness, I've got an idea SpawnGuyThing (19:26:57): Do tell madpiratebunny (19:27:02): nononono madpiratebunny (19:27:05): no telling SpawnGuyThing (19:27:10): ... SpawnGuyThing (19:27:27): But I'm the imaginery friend you always wanted SpawnGuyThing (19:27:36): Your supposed to tell me everything

05-06-2007, 10:32 AM	#4
phillytmnt Thug Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 79	"chrell might have even been around while oroku saki was battling the demon. Chrell probably thought it a good idea to present himself as the shredder because the shredder was so powerful". Actually I think the evil utrom came centries after the whole battle between the five dragons and the shredder tengu. "Chrell was never an acolyte. The tribunal would have known that he was not the true oroku saki". I was thinking that before the evil utrom took on the disguise of Oroku Saki, he encountered the ninja tribinal and somehow convienced them that he was good. After that, maybe the tribinal saw potential for him to be a good warrior so trained him to fight not knowing that Chrell was using them. I think that would of been a good way for him too not only learn ninjutsu, but info about the shredder as well

05-06-2007, 08:49 PM	#10
gobo Wacky Action Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: on Earth Posts: 12,784	I'd still like to think that Churell (whose actual spelling we may never know) forged a deal with The Ninja Tribunal. In exchange for removing The Shredder's Heralds from their concern, he was given free reign of destruction on Japan. So, The Tribunal chose the lesser of the two evils in order to properly end the whole conflict years later. __________________ Live and let live... or go to hell.

05-07-2007, 02:26 AM	#12
gobo Wacky Action Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: on Earth Posts: 12,784	Thanks for the validation and the info. ^_^ __________________ Live and let live... or go to hell.

05-07-2007, 07:14 AM	#13
odupianist Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,744	Maybe Ch'rell learned of the demon Saki from the Mystics. Maybe he stumbled on to the Mystics somehow.