Fast Forward and 2003 Cartoon

[cMac44111]

I've seen a couple of posts where people are talking about how when the Turtles get back to present day they'd remember all their FF adventures. But does anyone else think that they might retcon the next season and act like FF never happened? That way they wouldn't mess up anyone's storyline.

[VaughnMichael]

Originally Posted by cMac44111

I've seen a couple of posts where people are talking about how when the Turtles get back to present day they'd remember all their FF adventures. But does anyone else think that they might retcon the next season and act like FF never happened? That way they wouldn't mess up anyone's storyline.

No I've been told by Mirage that that while the show will be going back to present day Fast Forward will not be forgotten and will have an ending.

[gobo]

I suggested before that a memory-wipe sort of thing would be the only way for them to return to the early 21st century without the risk of skewing the future because of their foreknowledge. I get the feeling that's not what you were getting at though.

[gobo]

...that's highly unlikely. My opinion has always been, from the first I heard of Fast Forward (a month or so before the sneak preview/premiere of the sub-series), that 'the damage has already been done' in a manner of speaking. Even if it turned out to be as lame as some were fearing, it was too late to take it back. Disowning Fast Forward would be lamer than the lamest episodes of it IMHO.

[SimplerSimon]

Originally Posted by gobo

Disowning Fast Forward would be lamer than the lamest episodes of it IMHO.

Agreed. Which is why I never particularly liked Greg Weisman's decision to disown all of Gargoyles: Goliath Chronicles except the one episode he wrote. Were they good episodes? Not really. Did they damage the timeline so bad that he couldn't work around it? Not at all. And in tossing the episodes aside, he also tossed away the hard work of all the cast and crew.

One thing about FF is we never learn the Turtles' personal fates. The future may turn out pretty bright, but thats no guarantee the Turtles will have happy endings too.

[CyberCubed]

I have a feeling that in next season they're going to have Cody "guest star" in one episode by coming back to the past for an ep. Its just a hunch, but I don't think Cody will be ignored once FF ends.

To be honest, I'd like to see Cody interact with April and Casey. It might mess up the timeline though.

[Coola Yagami]

Unless they keep the fact of who he really is a secret... ala Trunks in DBZ when he first appeared.

I'd much rather see Sh'Okanabo return to the past to cause trouble... or Savanti go to the future to cause trouble. Either way, something to suggest FF still happened.

[Stephen]

They could have done Savanti in Fast Forward by having him frozen for a few hundred years like in the comics.

[Scandia]

I do not think their memories of Fast Forward will be erased completely. However, they probably should return to the same instant in time that they left. This is trickier than the prehistoric Renet adventure since it involves a travel to the future that they can affect. And it is the same universe, so it is not like Narnia where it can progress in a different direction. Plus the Turtles are now in a higher Ninja rank thanks to Fast Forward- I think this should be at least acknowledged in regular time.

[odupianist]

They could have done Savanti in Fast Forward by having him frozen for a few hundred years like in the comics.

Or they could have done Ultimate Drako in FF, seeing as he did possess the time scepter.

And it is the same universe, so it is not like Narnia where it can progress in a different direction.

Same universe or not, the future could still change. Why do you think they haven't told the turtles much? Either way, the future can still change, maybe not as bad as in "the journal", but still.

[Drtooth]

Here's how I want it to end... give the new series 2 episodes of FF as an arch in which they get home. And at the ned, Cody Screws up the location, and winds up plunking them into April's Bathtub (A running gag from the comic I was very disappointed they never pursued).

Now what I hate is how they tried to stretch the plot into 26 episodes, and made so many filler eps, they neglected to realize they may have to end the series at 26 episodes. They should have not wrote the entire thing at once. They should have waited for the second 13 eps, so we could have had some major story arch instead of planning arcs to come, and filling us up with Crap about how the future changed or how immature Mikey is.

[SimplerSimon]

Originally Posted by Drtooth

Now what I hate is how they tried to stretch the plot into 26 episodes, and made so many filler eps, they neglected to realize they may have to end the series at 26 episodes.

I don't think anyone in Mirage/Playmates/4Kids seriously thought FF would only be one season. Whatever else has been said, when you spend the time and money to rebrand a series, you expect it to stick around awhile. The production staff probably already knew they were being renewed as they wrote the season's last episode, hence the lack of closure. Then the toy sales dropped, and we got this.

Think of season 1 of 2K3, where the season was ended on the worst possible cliffhanger (Turtles get blasted into space). Season 2 was a sure bet, but what would've happened if toy sales had flopped?

[kerfootw]

Originally Posted by SimplerSimon

Agreed. Which is why I never particularly liked Greg Weisman's decision to disown all of Gargoyles: Goliath Chronicles except the one episode he wrote. Were they good episodes? Not really. Did they damage the timeline so bad that he couldn't work around it? Not at all. And in tossing the episodes aside, he also tossed away the hard work of all the cast and crew.

One thing about FF is we never learn the Turtles' personal fates. The future may turn out pretty bright, but thats no guarantee the Turtles will have happy endings too.

Actually you should. I thought TGC was good too until I noticed all the errors it made. The new crew didn't know a damn thing about Gargoyles and simply wrote it as another Saturday morning cartoon. It did change things around pretty much as it is.
Fast Forward, although some part of me wishes otherwise, is somewhat of an exception. They met Casey and April's offspring, some storylines were revisited, and some characters such as Leo and Stockman recieve closure.

[triplexxx]

Originally Posted by kerfootw

They met Casey and April's offspring, some storylines were revisited, and some characters such as Leo and Stockman recieve closure.

How did Leonardo receive any closure in FF? Whatever closure the turtles needed, I'd say they got in the Lost Season. The one exception probably being their Chunin graduation, but they'd already saved the world and defeated both Shredders before that, so that doesn't really make a difference.

[Jo Dawn]

I think they should pull a Bob Newhart and have the whole thing be a bad dream.

Then they could all wake up and, just to be safe, go and either split April and Caaey up, or neuter one of them.

[ZariusTwo]

"Goliath Chronicles" has it's moments, "Perchance to Dream" is a fan favourate in particular, but it does'nt do much beyond a "what if" scenario, and the finale is so basic, it's insulting.

They went by the numbers, where as the entire second season spent months seperating the characters and setting up the mythology that simply was not capatalised, again due to the writers not knowing how deep the show was and not bothering to try staying true to it. It was'nt "hard work" at all, it was sadly an early example of how "phoned in" Disney's staff would eventually become with later rubbish.

[VaughnMichael]

Originally Posted by triplexxx

How did Leonardo receive any closure in FF? Whatever closure the turtles needed, I'd say they got in the Lost Season.

Yeah I really don't get that one either...but I can see why the turtles are so happy in FF and act so care free at first because they don't have a care in the world since an episode before they just saved the world from zombies and demons. So to me that excuses everyones relaxed attitude.
You will see it change though as they notice the future isn't really a all sparkles, sunshine, and happy lets walk the streets freely kind of place.

[kerfootw]

That was when Leo got another crack at Shredder in "Timing Is Everything" and they owned him.

[triplexxx]

I see. Though I believe their best beating on him (the Utrom one) was in Secret Origins 3 when they all sliced him up and short-circuited him, then made him reveal himself and blew him up.

[The Big Bad]

Same universe or not, the future could still change. Why do you think they haven't told the turtles much? Either way, the future can still change, maybe not as bad as in "the Journal", but still.

Actually, what we've seen in the series suggests that the turtles will not change the future, no matter what they do; unlike in Back to the Future, time travel in the TMNTverse seems to make history instead of changing it (for another example of this, see Gargoyles). For example, Earth as the turtles know it wouldn't have existed if Savanti (who, if you recall, had been sent to the Cretaceous Period as an indirect result of the turtles' interference) hadn't sent the meteor that killed the dinosaurs crashing down to Earth. If Cody doesn't tell them of their eventual fate, it's more for their mental well-being than anything else--even if they couldn't change the past, how would you feel if you knew when you were going to die?

In any case, erasing the turtles' memories or treating Fast Forward as it didn't happen would be, to me, a serious cop-out, and would seriously affect my enjoyment of any post-Fast Forward episodes. Plus, personally, I think the series has a lot going for it, so I really don't want to see it ignored.

You will see it change though as they notice the future isn't really a all sparkles, sunshine, and happy lets walk the streets freely kind of place.

I don't see why you think the turtles would feel this way; the turtles have never been ones to romanticize their situation that way. The way I see it, they know the world is just as effed up as its always been--they, like most people, just don't see a reason to try to actively change it in a way that would make for good television.

Think of season 1 of 2K3, where the season was ended on the worst possible cliffhanger (Turtles get blasted into space). Season 2 was a sure bet, but what would've happened if toy sales had flopped?

Well, Return to New York makes for a fairly decent series finale (barring the "Splinter is missing/The Shredder isn't really dead" angles)--had they know the series wasn't coming back, they could have stopped there--just animate an alternate last two minutes, and you're golden.