Fans on one turtle genrally dislike another turtle?

[Sage Ninja]

I wonder, does any one here think that depending on which turtle you like or favor you automatically dislike or don't care for another turte?

just by being on these message boards for the last two years as well as browsing through other turtle forums I sort of noticed a pattern that people who like Raphael dislike or sort of disfavor Leonardo and Michaelangelo and clash with their fans. And people who like Leonardo dislike or don't favor Raphael and some times Michaelangelo as well.

I've also noticed that people who like Michaelangelo don;t seem to overly fond of Raphael and sometimes Leoanrdo and Dontello as well. Dontello fans seem to dislike Raphael and Michaelangelo but for the most part seem to be the most neutral.

Has any one else noticed this? Why do you think this is? Do you think people who are fans of one turtle automatically dislike one turtle in particular. I've just noticed that some fans of a certain turtle are most critical of another turtle. Does any one else agree?

[Masked Ninja]

I have noticed that a lot of Raphael fans seem to have a special dislike of Leonardo's personality type (probably because many of them favor Raph because they relate with him, and therefore can fully understand/sympathize with Raph's annoyances with his bro in blue), and vice versa. I haven't noticed much of a trend with Donatello or Michelangelo fans though... that's interesting.

Only way I can think of to test it is to try a poll like this:

If You Had to Choose... Which is Your Favorite/Least Favorite Turtle?
1) Leo/Raph
2) Leo/Mike
3) Leo/Don
4) Raph/Leo
5) Raph/Mike
6) Raph/Don
7) Mike/Leo
8.) Mike/Raph
9) Mike/Don
10) Don/Leo
11) Don/Raph
12) Don/Mike

Hm, that'd be something. Can these forums have a poll with that many choices?

[Buslady]

As most know I'm a huge Raph nut; I love ALL of them but depending on the version, Mike's my least favorite simply cos he's annoying. But OTOH I also like him cos he keeps Raph's spirits high.

[Sunshine]

My favorite is Raph with Mikey as a VERY close second but my least favorite is Leo. So... maybe? ^_^'

[Ava Collier]

Whoa...I meant to post before, and I got kinda caught up in my painting there.
I don't really have a favorite, but I'm told I'm a bit like Raphael...
and I'm a Pisces, which means I don't get on well with Leos
Personally, I've never clashed with other fans on this though...unless my husband counts. Don and Leo are his favorites, and we argued our way out of the theater over that fight!

[Scandia]

My favorite is Leonardo and my least favorite is Raphael. But it was not an automatic dislike of Raphael. And I don't completely hate him either. He's just my least favorite Turtle. And there IS a rivalry between Leonardo and Raphael- even though I think that all four Turtles did vie for leadership once and Michelangelo and Donatello simply were eliminated quicker than Raph.

I'm very scientific and brainy just like Donnie. But it's not the first time I have liked the heroic leader better than the scientist cough Voltron cough.

In conclusion, I do not think that a dislike of a second Turtle simply because you prefer one Turtle would be automatic in any way. I'm pretty sure there are Leo fans out there whose least favorite is Mikey or Donnie for some reason or another.

[jenna]

Sage, whilst I'm not sure that it is a overall trend, I think there is some truth in what you say: Personally, my favourite is Raphael, but I love them all and don't really favour any of the other three over each other. However, my sister loves Michelangelo, but has little sympathy for Raphael. Maybe it's to do with our personalities? My sister loves Mike because he is fun loving and relaxed - like she is. She dislikes Raph because she has little patience for people who are angsty or depressive. She says he won't help himself.

[Garou]

Originally Posted by Ava Collier

and I'm a Pisces, which means I don't get on well with Leos

Scary that goes for me too...

But my fave would be Raph. He's always been, ever since I was a kid and watched it back in 1990. But there were times where I wasn't so sure that Raph was my favorite - because I really liked Leo.

It could be because my big sister was a true Leo type when she was younger... hmm....

I honestly don't have a least favorite after watching 2k3. They're all important characters and I like them all - but I'll say that I thought Mikey was just too annoying in the old toon for my taste.

The worst part is, I'm beginning to act and sound more and more like NT Raph over the years - even my mom told me that

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

The only turtle I dislike is Venus DeMilo, because she seemed like a blatant attempt at getting a Power Rangers like team going with a female character that was intended to be the "token girl" of the team or something. If they wanted a strong female character, I think they could have just had an April O'Neil that learned some martial arts moves from the turtles over the years.

Other than that, while Raphael is my current favorite, I still like everyone else. Michelangelo was my old favorite as a kid, because as a kid everyone idolizes the fun loving guy.

[Drtooth]

I am a fan of both Mike and Raph. But as the years went on, I realised something. While I would have to categorize one of them as my least favorite, I just can't bring myself to do it.

I have to actually say Leonardo's my fourth favorite Turtle. (Don being my third). Though to be fair, my actual least favorite turtle is Venus. She's the only one I hate.

Frankly I love ALL 4 turtles. Their contrasting personalities are what make the group dynamic so special. Leo's serious, straight forwardness helps set the rhythem and give them a guide of how to act, Raph's cynisism and anger gives them a dangerous edge, Mike's clowning nature gives them the heart of a child, and Don's analitical thinking punches it all together, while crafting gadgets that help them on their missions.

[triplexxx]

Suppose with some fans this is the case and with some fans it isn't. Like for one may or may not mean a dislike for another.
I think it more depends on which turtle personalities a fan can relate to, personally. Though the truth is: there are aspects from every turtle's personality that are generally common for a majority of people if they take the time to figure it out.
As I've said, I know I can relate to every turtle in some way. This is why I always love every TMNT equally and don't have a favorite, period.

[Sonic x 20]

My favorite turtle is Mikey, but I've always loved the turtles equally as well. I never had a least favorite one, so everyone of them is cool with me.

[eelayne]

I often realize that Leonardo fans like Raphael least and vice versa. Why? I have fallen for Raphael when I was 9 years old and still today I love him most, but that doesn't mean I dislike Leo. In the 2003 series the whole concentration on Leo became a bit too much for me, but nevertheless I don't like him less then the others. It's just Raph who's 'special' for me.

[Mr. Stay Puft]

Hands down, Mikey's my favorite in all versions. The order afterwards depends on which version.

OT and movies 1-3:
Mike
Don
Raph
Leo

2K3:
Mike
Raph
Don
Leo

CGI Movie:
Mike
Raph
Leo
Don

[Masked Ninja]

I agree with Garou - while before the 2k3 series I had a favorite (Leonardo), I've since learned to appreciate each of the four... each is absolutely kickawesome for certain reasons, and irritating for others. So I go through phases. Don was high up for a while, then after the movie I adored Leo and Raph, and sometimes I need me some good Mikey.

And of course having one turtle as your favorite doesn't dictate who you "should" dislike. I just noticed that Raph fans have a trend of disliking Leo. (I can see easily how they could be annoyed with Michelangelo, too). Something that makes me wonder, though, is whose fans are most likely to dislike Donatello? Though he doesn't often win "favorite Turtle" polls, I don't see a lot of Donny hate.

...Unless it's one of the incarnations (like TNM) where he's full of himself. That gets annoying pretty fast.

[Spitfire]

Don is my favorite by far. My least is Leo because he's an annoying self important prick in the comics and in the old toon. In the new toon I started to respect him more then I ever did but he's still a prick to me.

[SassyGal]

Originally Posted by Spitfire666xXxXx

Don is my favorite by far. My least is Leo because he's an annoying self important prick in the comics and in the old toon. In the new toon I started to respect him more then I ever did but he's still a prick to me.

I agree with you Spitfire. I love all the turtles, but I never could warm up to him because he was such an annoying little butthole in the comics and OT.The stereotypical know-it-all older brother that really needed a punch in the nose. He definitely got better in 2k3.

My fav is Raphael, but I love them all.

[triplexxx]

I don't read the comics so I can't speak for him there. But he ain't that bad, I mean he gets a bit prideful every now and then, but the only time I remember him actually exalting himself as better thn his bros was in the new movie, and when he did that, Raphael threw it back in his face. I admit, starting the NT off with a training session where he succeeds and the others don't was probably not the best idea, but they made up for that by giving every turtle an equal part in the defeat and deaths of any major villains who were killed, not to mention there greatest feat in the Lost Season, so it's not like he gets any more exalted. Leonardo can get annoying, but so can the others in their own way.

[Leonardo_]

For me it doesn't have something to do with the characters the people like the most. The reason why I could not get along with people here is their behaviour or how they act. So it could easily happen that I also don't get along well with a Leonardo fan.
It depends on how the fan himself/herself is and not what character he/she likes. I don't say "Uh that is a Raphael fan, so I don't like the person", because I don't really know her. That would be immature to me.

[MoreCowbell5263]

When I saw this post, I didn't think Leo and Raph would come up as the pair of favorite and least favorite. Sure they're different, but all of them are. What surprises me about this is that Leo and Raph have a more in common with each other (at least it seems like it sometimes) than they do with the others.

I've stated my polar opposites and "Z is a mix of X and Y" theory before, so just for this thread I'll state it again. If you remember it or are not interested, just skim down to after the "[ ]" ends.

[Leo is a mixture of Don and Raph and his polar opposite is Mike. Leo would rather choose other ways of dealing with things than fighting (Don) but also knows sometimes fighting is the only way to get through to some of their villains (Raph). Leo obviously takes his training (as well as many other things) very seriously, whereas Mike is very carefree and laid back and goofs around a lot.

Don is a mixture of Leo and Mike and his polar opposite is Raph. Don is a character who likes to have fun (even though his definition of fun is working on his gadgets), but nonetheless, he tries to have fun (Mike), but he also knows when it's time to be serious and that goofing around and making jokes won't help (Leo). Raph and Don I think are the two most different turtles in the group, Leo and Mike in my opinion being a close second, but Raph and Don's personalities are almost entirely different to the point where they sometimes have really tense arguments like the one seen in TMNT regarding fear and methods of getting things done.

Raph is a mixture of Leo and Mike and his polar opposite is Don. Raph takes his training very seriously, works hard to improve his skills, and feels very strongly about right and wrong and his sense of justice (Leo), and he's also someone who truly ENJOYS showing off his skills in combat, so you often see him in movies and cartoons fighting and bragging about how much better he is than they are (Mike). Like I said, him and Don are just entirely different. Raph likes fighting and improving his fighting skills and tries to take any opportunity that gets thrown at him to hone them. Don, being a ninja, is still relatively pacifistic and would much rather use technology and other means instead of risking their lives fighting.

Mike is a mixture of Don and Raph and his polar opposite is Leo. Raph likes to have fun but he probably gets more pleasure and excitement out of beating people up who he feels deserve it. Mike likes showing his fighting skills off and trying to make the world a better place (Raph) but I think he enjoys doing things like play video games or watch a movie (Don, even though Raph does like video games) more than he does fighting. Again, Mike is a goofball and doesn't take his training seriously, or at least not nearly as seriously as Leo. Mike is a light-hearted free-spirit who likes to relax, and Leo just enjoys working on his ninjitsu and learning more about it.]

Granted, all the turtles will have some things in common with any turtle that gets paired with them, but some more than others. Knowing all this, I was expecting Raph fans to have Don as their least favorite and the other way around for Don fans. And I thought Leo fans would see Mike as their least favorite and vise versa. I know Don's my favorite and Raph is my least, Don being because I relate to him, and Raph because I don't, or at least not as much as I relate to Leo or Mike. I don't hate Raph, but he is my least favorite.