Did You Like Splinter's Origin Better in the Comics or in the Old Cartoon Series?

cross · 10-16-2007, 05:03 PM

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*Mr._Mutant_Man* · 10-16-2007, 05:17 PM

I prefer the comic origin. I like the ooze better when it just causes things to grow and mutate, as opposed to making people/things take on attributes of whatever they last touched.

*Drtooth* · 10-16-2007, 05:30 PM

Well, considering the cartoon had a huge plot hole in it, since he actually was in conctact with the turtles closer to having contact with the rats, I'm going for the comic version. I felt the mutagen in the series was a little "iffy" considering that an animal had to be in contact with another animal to mutate. I never did care for that. kind of confusing.

Though I will say, there have been some great instances where Splinter being human was the source of drama and motivated the plot. Like Shreddered and Splintered .

*Scandia* · 10-16-2007, 06:25 PM

I prefer the comics origin.

Of course, as many people did, I was shocked about the rat origins in the movies- me being accustomed to the OT.

But I think that having Hamato Yoshi and Splinter be two separate characters is even cooler. Plus I like Tang Shen. More background and stories this way.

*KROW* · 10-16-2007, 06:34 PM

I'm dead level with the question. On one hand, I prefer the mutation process in the comics. On the other, I think having a rat mimic movements in a cage is silly. Though I think that the mutagen's requirements for it to work are a bit hokey and kind of confusing, it did leave a lot of options open for other characters.

In any event, both were better than his devolving in the Image series.

*Roseangelo* · 10-16-2007, 06:39 PM

Your poll is flawed... You're not asking a yes or no question, but those are the only choices.

*Mecha Cow* · 10-16-2007, 06:59 PM

Comic. I don't like the concept of Splinter and Yoshi being the same character.

*Coola Yagami* · 10-16-2007, 08:14 PM

The old toon didn't make sense in the sense that Splinter should have bascially become the 5th Turtle.... but I did like how him being Yoshi made the Splinter/Shredder thing that much more personal. Plus, I like how the mutagen differed between either mutated animals or human mutated into animals. If the cartoon explored it further, it would have made for more bestial mutants (the animals) and more traumatic mutants (the humans facing the fact they're now mutants).

The comic origin would have been ok if they didn't have the SPlinter knowing martial arts even though he was a normal rat thing. But I guess, he'd have to know martial arts somehow to train the turtles...

Colliwog · 10-16-2007, 08:16 PM

I prefer Splinter being a rat from the start, and mutating just as the Turtles had. :3

Magneto · 10-16-2007, 09:57 PM

Gotta go with the general consensus.

Comic book origin.

Bigfoot · 10-16-2007, 10:16 PM

Comic Book Origin All The Way!!!

Rat to mutated rat is soooooo much more believable than human to mutated rat. Duh! lol...

*shuriken* · 10-16-2007, 10:46 PM

Comic book origin due to the fact that in the cartoon he should have been a rat/turtle mutant crossbreed that I imagine would be pretty grotesque.

cross · 10-17-2007, 12:02 AM

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**Krang** · 10-17-2007, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Drtooth

Well, considering the cartoon had a huge plot hole in it, since he actually was in conctact with the turtles closer to having contact with the rats, I'm going for the comic version.

No, he stepped in the mutagen before ever touching the mutagen-covered turtles, so he had already begun mutating into a rat. At that point, it didn't matter that he made contact with the turtles since he was already a mutant. Makes sense to me.

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Originally Posted by cross

Yeah I know I messed up when I made it

No problem, I fixed it and reset the vote counts to 0 (feel free to vote again, everyone).

*sdp* · 10-17-2007, 07:04 AM

I'm with Krang it makes perfect sense when I was a kid and now.

As to which origin I prefer, the Toon origin. It gives the character more dept and more "tragic". I always found the rat learning martial arts from its cage silly.

Leonardo_ · 10-17-2007, 08:10 AM

I agree, sdp. The same goes for me.

*Drtooth* · 10-17-2007, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Krang

No, he stepped in the mutagen before ever touching the mutagen-covered turtles, so he had already begun mutating into a rat. At that point, it didn't matter that he made contact with the turtles since he was already a mutant. Makes sense to me.

Mmmh... I have to rewatch the episode for that. Good eye Krang.

*odupianist* · 10-17-2007, 10:47 AM

But the show made it seem like he was with the turtles constantly hence my thinking (as well as others) that he should have had some turtle in his mutation.

EDIT: Think about it like this... (and this has even changed my thinking a bit about it)

Bebop and Rocksteady... I'm sure they had been around other animals more than a rhino and warthog before being mutated. Maybe they had a pet cat or were around stray cats (being in a gang and all). Then all of a sudden they're both next to a rhino and warthog and BAM that's what they become. Granted, they were both within proximy of the rhino AND warthog, so therefore they both should have had similar traits of both animals. We need to find the clip or something (I had no luck on YouTube) so we can see how Yoshi's transformation happens. Krang makes a valid point, but I never saw it like that. I saw it as who he spent more time with, but if that was the case, Rocksteady and Bebop could have had other animal traits as well. So, yeah

*Tinuvielsdreams* · 10-17-2007, 10:54 AM

Too me it makes better sense and aids the story flow if he starts as a pet rat. It's more appropriate. I think if the turtles start as animals he should too. It was the way he was meant to be anyway

*Rooish* · 10-17-2007, 11:58 AM

Both versions are kind of flawed. I probably prefer Splinter's origin in the cartoon better, because it's just effing stupid that Splinter was able to learn ninjitsu as a pet rat. Yes, rats are smart. No, they cannot learn ninjitsu.

But I like Hamato Yoshi's story better in the comics. It's a little more violent and tragic. Although in the comics, Hamato Yoshi killed Oroku Saki's brother before Saki killed him, so that's a little morally sketchy.

And I do like the comics idea of the mutagen turning things into smarter, bigger, more humanoid animals.

View Poll Results: Did You Like Splinter's Origin Better in the Comics or in the Old Cartoon Series?
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10-16-2007, 05:03 PM	#1
cross Thug Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 76	Did You Like Splinter's Origin Better in the Comics or in the Old Cartoon Series? .......... Last edited by cross; 12-04-2007 at 06:44 AM.

10-16-2007, 05:30 PM	#3
Drtooth Foot Elite Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,439	Well, considering the cartoon had a huge plot hole in it, since he actually was in conctact with the turtles closer to having contact with the rats, I'm going for the comic version. I felt the mutagen in the series was a little "iffy" considering that an animal had to be in contact with another animal to mutate. I never did care for that. kind of confusing. Though I will say, there have been some great instances where Splinter being human was the source of drama and motivated the plot. Like Shreddered and Splintered . __________________ [Insert mildly amusing banner here]

10-16-2007, 06:25 PM	#4
Scandia Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 2,265	I prefer the comics origin. Of course, as many people did, I was shocked about the rat origins in the movies- me being accustomed to the OT. But I think that having Hamato Yoshi and Splinter be two separate characters is even cooler. Plus I like Tang Shen. More background and stories this way. __________________ Turtles fight with honor!!!

10-16-2007, 06:34 PM	#5
KROW Meat-n-Potatoes Man Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: State's Anus, NY Posts: 6,472	I'm dead level with the question. On one hand, I prefer the mutation process in the comics. On the other, I think having a rat mimic movements in a cage is silly. Though I think that the mutagen's requirements for it to work are a bit hokey and kind of confusing, it did leave a lot of options open for other characters. In any event, both were better than his devolving in the Image series. __________________ - Optimus Acid Trip - Cult of a Half-Shell - Raiden's Bitter Tongue - *I don't try to be funny; I fail at it naturally.*

10-16-2007, 05:17 PM	#2
Mr._Mutant_Man Mad Scientist Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,340	I prefer the comic origin. I like the ooze better when it just causes things to grow and mutate, as opposed to making people/things take on attributes of whatever they last touched.

10-16-2007, 06:39 PM	#6
Roseangelo Emperor Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: California Posts: 9,112	Your poll is flawed... You're not asking a yes or no question, but those are the only choices. __________________ www.ninjapizza.net www.colorsbyrosemary.com

10-16-2007, 06:59 PM	#7
Mecha Cow Gorgeous and modest too Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 3,699	Comic. I don't like the concept of Splinter and Yoshi being the same character. __________________

10-16-2007, 08:14 PM	#8
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,684	The old toon didn't make sense in the sense that Splinter should have bascially become the 5th Turtle.... but I did like how him being Yoshi made the Splinter/Shredder thing that much more personal. Plus, I like how the mutagen differed between either mutated animals or human mutated into animals. If the cartoon explored it further, it would have made for more bestial mutants (the animals) and more traumatic mutants (the humans facing the fact they're now mutants). The comic origin would have been ok if they didn't have the SPlinter knowing martial arts even though he was a normal rat thing. But I guess, he'd have to know martial arts somehow to train the turtles...

10-16-2007, 08:16 PM	#9
Colliwog Foot Soldier Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Ohio, U.S. Posts: 108	I prefer Splinter being a rat from the start, and mutating just as the Turtles had. :3 __________________

10-16-2007, 09:57 PM	#10
Magneto Foot Soldier Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Marvel Universe Posts: 173	Gotta go with the general consensus. Comic book origin.

10-16-2007, 10:16 PM	#11
Bigfoot Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Wandering aimlessly... Posts: 764	Comic Book Origin All The Way!!! Rat to mutated rat is soooooo much more believable than human to mutated rat. Duh! lol...

10-16-2007, 10:46 PM	#12
shuriken Second City Shinobi Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chi-town Posts: 4,182	Comic book origin due to the fact that in the cartoon he should have been a rat/turtle mutant crossbreed that I imagine would be pretty grotesque. __________________ Some things are better left unsaid. This isn't one of them

10-17-2007, 12:02 AM	#13
cross Thug Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 76	.......... Last edited by cross; 12-04-2007 at 06:44 AM.

10-17-2007, 07:04 AM	#15
sdp Detoxed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tokio, Italy Posts: 11,186	I'm with Krang it makes perfect sense when I was a kid and now. As to which origin I prefer, the Toon origin. It gives the character more dept and more "tragic". I always found the rat learning martial arts from its cage silly. __________________ *Trapt* *urself Page MiscRave!!!* Click to join The Drome Discord server

10-17-2007, 08:10 AM	#16
Leonardo_ Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 813	I agree, sdp. The same goes for me. __________________

10-17-2007, 10:47 AM	#18
odupianist Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,744	But the show made it seem like he was with the turtles constantly hence my thinking (as well as others) that he should have had some turtle in his mutation. EDIT: Think about it like this... (and this has even changed my thinking a bit about it) Bebop and Rocksteady... I'm sure they had been around other animals more than a rhino and warthog before being mutated. Maybe they had a pet cat or were around stray cats (being in a gang and all). Then all of a sudden they're both next to a rhino and warthog and BAM that's what they become. Granted, they were both within proximy of the rhino AND warthog, so therefore they both should have had similar traits of both animals. We need to find the clip or something (I had no luck on YouTube) so we can see how Yoshi's transformation happens. Krang makes a valid point, but I never saw it like that. I saw it as who he spent more time with, but if that was the case, Rocksteady and Bebop could have had other animal traits as well. So, yeah Last edited by odupianist; 10-17-2007 at 11:02 AM. Reason: just a thought

10-17-2007, 10:54 AM	#19
Tinuvielsdreams Nothing without passion Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,722	Too me it makes better sense and aids the story flow if he starts as a pet rat. It's more appropriate. I think if the turtles start as animals he should too. It was the way he was meant to be anyway

10-17-2007, 11:58 AM	#20
Rooish Devil's Advocate Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 2,130	Both versions are kind of flawed. I probably prefer Splinter's origin in the cartoon better, because it's just effing stupid that Splinter was able to learn ninjitsu as a pet rat. Yes, rats are smart. No, they cannot learn ninjitsu. But I like Hamato Yoshi's story better in the comics. It's a little more violent and tragic. Although in the comics, Hamato Yoshi killed Oroku Saki's brother before Saki killed him, so that's a little morally sketchy. And I do like the comics idea of the mutagen turning things into smarter, bigger, more humanoid animals.