Splinters capture in the first movie

Zog the Equalizer · 10-21-2007, 11:30 AM

Does anyone else think that Splinter allowed him self to be captured so that the turtles could learn their final lesson. I mean, he took out the Shredder so I'm pretty sure he could've taken a few foot ninjas.

*CyberCubed* · 10-21-2007, 12:36 PM

The Foot probably ambused him. Imagine 50 Foot plus probably Tatsu all there at once, he would definitely have a hard time fending them all off.

*Buslady* · 10-21-2007, 01:13 PM

I dont care if he is some hot shot ninja master, he's a 4 foot old rat and he can be taken by a large group of younger taller ninjas...but not without a good fight he wouldnt be taken

Mr. Stay Puft · 10-21-2007, 02:35 PM

You also have to keep in mind that the lair in the first movie wasn't all that big, so there weren't many places he could manuever around. Also, that version of Splinter seemed to be the weakest.

Raph'N'Roll · 10-21-2007, 02:42 PM

He was really old, and wouldn't have had the strength to do any damage, that version of Splinter was on the verge of death.

Zog the Equalizer · 10-21-2007, 02:59 PM

Casey took on several ninjas and he wasn't even trained in ninjutsu he was just a street fighter. I'd imagine Splinter would have gone out fighting if he didn't want to be captured. Also he's a rat so he probably heard or smelled them coming so he could have escaped.

Colliwog · 10-21-2007, 03:21 PM

I always felt that the first movie's Splinter was portrayed as too old and weak, but he didn't allow himself to be captured.

I think it would have been pretty cool to see Splinter fight those Foot, but I also think it was good surprise that we didn't find out about Splinter's capture until the Turtles came home and found out themselves.

**Jester** · 10-21-2007, 06:21 PM

Look at the lair after Splinter's capture. It's wrecked. I assume he put up quite a fight.

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Casey took on several ninjas and he wasn't even trained in ninjutsu he was just a street fighter. I'd imagine Splinter would have gone out fighting if he didn't want to be captured. Also he's a rat so he probably heard or smelled them coming so he could have escaped.

Yes, but Casey was easily manhandled by Tatsu, alone. I imagine that Splinter would have to deal with not only 20-30 Foot kids, but their trainer as well. No way he alone could handle that.

EDIT: Heck, one may assume that the original invasion of the lair was meant to take all 5 mutants, just imagine the Foot forces amassed if that was the objective.

Zog the Equalizer · 10-21-2007, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester

Look at the lair after Splinter's capture. It's wrecked. I assume he put up quite a fight.

This is a very good point. The only thing that still bothers me is what I said earlier about how he should have heard or smelled them coming

*shuriken* · 10-21-2007, 07:36 PM

I always thought about this too... My guess is that Splinter did smell them, but thought that the he would be able to take them on himself. You also have to remeber that the Foot are NINJAS and they did sneak up on Raphael. Splinter defenitely put up a fight, but it was just too much for him. I mean look at what happened to Raph, he was nearly beaten to death on the roof, without Tatsu there. Hell, I'm sure he took out a good half of them mbefore he was taken out. I also thought that even though Splinter is better in terms of his skill, the Turtles always had more Endurance than their master, which is quite old. I even made a comic about the foot abducting Splinter (I think I'll post it later).

Mr. Stay Puft · 10-21-2007, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester

Heck, one may assume that the original invasion of the lair was meant to take all 5 mutants, just imagine the Foot forces amassed if that was the objective.

Another valid point.

**Jester** · 10-21-2007, 08:03 PM

Don't let the name fool you, I'm full of "valid points."

This kinda makes me wonder if there may have been a deleted scene where we see the sneak attack.

Magneto · 10-21-2007, 08:29 PM

I have to agree on movie Splinter coming across as the weakest of any incarnation of Splinter I've seen thus far. He certainly did seem more frail than any other version, however I wouldnt call him completely unable to defend himself as he took out The Shredder himself with relative ease. As far as the scene being a deleted scene cut out of the movie (splinters capture) I kinda doubt it. It's really one of those scenes better left to the imagination than one that we actually get to see. The turtles discovering their lair in ruins along with Splinter being abducted at the same time of the viewer watching the film works best.

**Jester** · 10-21-2007, 08:41 PM

Yeah, I'm not sure why I posted that...I guess to keep from just posting the lame joke. :p

*odupianist* · 10-22-2007, 07:17 AM

I think a deleted scene would be good, but I doubt it was done. I dont think Splinter seemed that frail in the movie. He may have come off as frail because of the limited animatronics. As for him taking out Shredder, the Shredhead ran for, say, a hundred feet, so 1) Spinter saw him coming and had time prepare, 2) he is a ninja so quick reaction time is a breeze and combined with #1 it shouldnt have been a problem.

BlueLeo · 10-22-2007, 05:13 PM

Splinter, although old, would've wrecked up some foot ninjas. It didn't look like he could, but I'm sure he would've. I mean, come on, when the turtles were meditating at the old farm house and summoned up splinter, he even said it himself, "you have passed your final test."

*Coola Yagami* · 10-22-2007, 06:27 PM

In the movie universe... yeah, Splinter woulda kicked ass.

In real life... no... the foot would have ripped that puppet apart. I don't think they could make Splinter do much besides sit, stand and talk in the movies.

10-21-2007, 01:13 PM	#3
Buslady WingsOfDarkness! Perkele! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In 7803... Posts: 4,366	I dont care if he is some hot shot ninja master, he's a 4 foot old rat and he can be taken by a large group of younger taller ninjas...but not without a good fight he wouldnt be taken __________________

10-21-2007, 02:35 PM	#4
Mr. Stay Puft Stone Warrior Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: NH Posts: 580	You also have to keep in mind that the lair in the first movie wasn't all that big, so there weren't many places he could manuever around. Also, that version of Splinter seemed to be the weakest. __________________ And there came a day. A day unlike any other, when Earth’s mightiest heroes found themselves united against a common threat, to fight the foes no single superhero could withstand. On that day, the Avengers were born. R.I.P Chi Cheng and Jeff Hanneman

10-21-2007, 02:59 PM	#6
Zog the Equalizer Stone Warrior Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Corpus Christi, Texas Posts: 534	Casey took on several ninjas and he wasn't even trained in ninjutsu he was just a street fighter. I'd imagine Splinter would have gone out fighting if he didn't want to be captured. Also he's a rat so he probably heard or smelled them coming so he could have escaped. __________________ "Pork rind?" "Pork rind!"

10-21-2007, 03:21 PM	#7
Colliwog Foot Soldier Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Ohio, U.S. Posts: 108	I always felt that the first movie's Splinter was portrayed as too old and weak, but he didn't allow himself to be captured. I think it would have been pretty cool to see Splinter fight those Foot, but I also think it was good surprise that we didn't find out about Splinter's capture until the Turtles came home and found out themselves. __________________

10-21-2007, 07:36 PM	#10
shuriken Second City Shinobi Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chi-town Posts: 4,182	I always thought about this too... My guess is that Splinter did smell them, but thought that the he would be able to take them on himself. You also have to remeber that the Foot are NINJAS and they did sneak up on Raphael. Splinter defenitely put up a fight, but it was just too much for him. I mean look at what happened to Raph, he was nearly beaten to death on the roof, without Tatsu there. Hell, I'm sure he took out a good half of them mbefore he was taken out. I also thought that even though Splinter is better in terms of his skill, the Turtles always had more Endurance than their master, which is quite old. I even made a comic about the foot abducting Splinter (I think I'll post it later). __________________ Some things are better left unsaid. This isn't one of them

10-21-2007, 11:30 AM	#1
Zog the Equalizer Stone Warrior Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Corpus Christi, Texas Posts: 534	Splinters capture in the first movie Does anyone else think that Splinter allowed him self to be captured so that the turtles could learn their final lesson. I mean, he took out the Shredder so I'm pretty sure he could've taken a few foot ninjas. __________________ "Pork rind?" "Pork rind!"

10-21-2007, 12:36 PM	#2
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,838	The Foot probably ambused him. Imagine 50 Foot plus probably Tatsu all there at once, he would definitely have a hard time fending them all off.

10-21-2007, 02:42 PM	#5
Raph'N'Roll Hench Mutant Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Ireland Posts: 313	He was really old, and wouldn't have had the strength to do any damage, that version of Splinter was on the verge of death.

10-21-2007, 08:03 PM	#12
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,298	Don't let the name fool you, I'm full of "valid points." This kinda makes me wonder if there may have been a deleted scene where we see the sneak attack. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

10-21-2007, 08:29 PM	#13
Magneto Foot Soldier Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Marvel Universe Posts: 173	I have to agree on movie Splinter coming across as the weakest of any incarnation of Splinter I've seen thus far. He certainly did seem more frail than any other version, however I wouldnt call him completely unable to defend himself as he took out The Shredder himself with relative ease. As far as the scene being a deleted scene cut out of the movie (splinters capture) I kinda doubt it. It's really one of those scenes better left to the imagination than one that we actually get to see. The turtles discovering their lair in ruins along with Splinter being abducted at the same time of the viewer watching the film works best.

10-21-2007, 08:41 PM	#14
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,298	Yeah, I'm not sure why I posted that...I guess to keep from just posting the lame joke. :p __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

10-22-2007, 07:17 AM	#15
odupianist Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,744	I think a deleted scene would be good, but I doubt it was done. I dont think Splinter seemed that frail in the movie. He may have come off as frail because of the limited animatronics. As for him taking out Shredder, the Shredhead ran for, say, a hundred feet, so 1) Spinter saw him coming and had time prepare, 2) he is a ninja so quick reaction time is a breeze and combined with #1 it shouldnt have been a problem.

10-22-2007, 05:13 PM	#16
BlueLeo Mouser Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 7	Splinter, although old, would've wrecked up some foot ninjas. It didn't look like he could, but I'm sure he would've. I mean, come on, when the turtles were meditating at the old farm house and summoned up splinter, he even said it himself, "you have passed your final test."

10-22-2007, 06:27 PM	#17
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,703	In the movie universe... yeah, Splinter woulda kicked ass. In real life... no... the foot would have ripped that puppet apart. I don't think they could make Splinter do much besides sit, stand and talk in the movies.