Baxter Stockman

Jelly Bean · 01-01-2009, 04:28 PM

Why does Baxter get the cruddy end of the stick in this series? I mean he doesn't get mutilated like he does in the 4KIDs cartoon but he's gotta be the most fu**ed over character in the entire show.

He's always getting pushed around or lied to or tortured in some way. Almost every time he's on he gets trapped into some other world or nearly killed. What happens to Baxter in the show does he get to be human? I almost feel sorry for him.

*tone-master21* · 01-01-2009, 04:42 PM

Baxter's final appearance in the original series was the episode Revenge of the Fly and he doesn't ever become human again, infact he gets trapped in limbo again.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 01-01-2009, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by tone-master21

Baxter's final appearance in the original series was the episode Revenge of the Fly and he doesn't ever become human again, infact he gets trapped in limbo again.

You can always write a fanfic about how he gets back to Earth.

IamtheKnight · 01-01-2009, 06:07 PM

I felt sorry for him in the new toon after Insane in the Membrane.

*Coola Yagami* · 01-01-2009, 09:46 PM

Baxter's life just sucks no matter how you slice it. I mean in the original comics he's apparantly a brain chained up to a robot on a wall for who knows how many years until Don blasts him.

*Sage Ninja* · 01-02-2009, 12:36 AM

I always felt sorry for Baxter in the Old toon. He didn't deserve half the crap he got from Shredder and every one else.

But then Baxter character in genral is supposed to be verey tragic and every thing from being abused by Shredder and turned into a fly and betrayed and trapped inbetween deminsions, was the old toon more child friendly way of depicting him as tormented tragic character he was dipicted as being in mirage comics.

Evenstar227 · 01-02-2009, 10:45 AM

Baxter in the OT was treated like crap by Shredder and Krang. He didn't seem to deserve the ill treatment he was subjected to, at least not at first. After continually helping a supervillain, however, could he be considered an "innocent bystander"?

Baxter in the NT, however, was a crazy mofo. He did get a lot of grief from Shredder, but he probably deserved it due to his evil machinations in that series. Haven't read enough Mirage comics to say about that, but if 2k3 Baxter is derived from that then I'd probably feel the same.

*Cipher* · 01-02-2009, 03:52 PM

The 2003 Baxter is the only one I can think of who gets a happy ending, even if he has to wait one-hundred years for it.

The 1987 Baxter, however, was the only one who wasn't an evil genius to begin with, making his transformation into an increasingly insane fly mutant a bit pitiable.

And of course Mirage Baxter was an evil genius, and got the kind of twisted fate he deserved.

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But then Baxter character in genral is supposed to be verey tragic and every thing from being abused by Shredder and turned into a fly and betrayed and trapped inbetween deminsions, was the old toon more child friendly way of depicting him as tormented tragic character he was dipicted as being in mirage comics.

Um, no. Having read every issue to feature Baxter, I can safely say he was not a "tormented tragic character" at all. Here's a list of everything he does in the series:

Volume 1: Makes Mousers with the intent of chewing through building foundations and holding the city for ransom, "because it's fun." Has them topple at least one building killing god-knows how many bystanders. Tries to kill April. Laughs maniacally as the Turtles punch him out.

Volume 2: Places his brain inside a robot body. Kills countless DARPA soldiers. Kills an innocent man in a phonebooth and marvels at his lack of remorse. Inserts nanobots in April. Atempts to kill the Turtles and is blown to pieces.

Volume 4: Having spent decades in Donatello's lair as an inoperative robot body, he still refuses to offer a cure for April. Donatello blows him to pieces...again.

That's it. Mirage Baxter is the least sympathetic version by far.

turkishproverb · 01-02-2009, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Baxter's life just sucks no matter how you slice it. I mean in the original comics he's apparantly a brain chained up to a robot on a wall for who knows how many years until Don blasts him.

He deserved it. He was probably the most evil character mirage ever had.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 01-07-2009, 09:08 AM

I would like to have him as a human all the 1987 cartoon long. But the funniest he said as a fly was in the 1993 episode "Revenge of the Fly" when he mutated humans into insects, saying "Don't worry about the ants ruining your picknick, you are the ants".

NameGoesHere1066 · 01-10-2009, 10:13 PM

you know what I found weird about OT Baxter? He always called Shredder "Master".

Why did he call Shredder master? It's not like Baxter came from a foriegn background where Master and servant hiearchy was the norm. For goodness sakes, Baxter was a white guy who came from an American culture. Did Baxter call Shredder Master of his own volition or did Shredder make him? He doesn't own Baxter and he had nothing over him, I mean Bebop and Rocksteady who a practically Shredder's slaves never call him Master. Just boss.

*Coola Yagami* · 01-10-2009, 11:55 PM

Shredder likes a bitch to call him master....

What I find funny is how he was always against the Turtles, when him becoming a fly was all Shredder and Krang's doing.

Like in his final episode-

Baxter- Now I'll finally make you pay for what you did to me!
Leo- Baxter... exactly what did we do to you?
Baxter- ..... I... I don't remember, but I'll make you pay!!!

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 01-17-2009, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Shredder likes a bitch to call him master....

What I find funny is how he was always against the Turtles, when him becoming a fly was all Shredder and Krang's doing.

Like in his final episode-

Baxter- Now I'll finally make you pay for what you did to me!
Leo- Baxter... exactly what did we do to you?
Baxter- ..... I... I don't remember, but I'll make you pay!!!

Shredder tricked him into beliving it was the TMNT's doing. He was probably unconscious in the disintegrator machine.

*Coola Yagami* · 01-17-2009, 08:46 AM

Um... Baxter was banging on the doors pleading for them to let him out.

*Drtooth* · 01-17-2009, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Shredder likes a bitch to call him master....

Well, obviously, since Krang does it to him all the time, he needs someone to feel superior to. That's how I always viewed that (and Rocksteady and Bebop while we're at it). Shredder takes abuse from Krang and passes it in turn to his underlings.

But the NT Baxter... come on, how isn't that slip by the censors amazing? He's boarder line suicidal near the end (Saying that he was rudely awakend from his eternal sleep and all), and you can tell he really hates having to work for Shredder and Hun. I think he has a better relationship with Bishop, since he almost views him as a colleague (almost). But considering Hun gave him nightly beatings every time Baxter tried to stand up for himself. Sure, he came off as an arrogant jerk at first, but you could tell the further down the line the show went, Baxter was hurting.

*Cipher* · 01-17-2009, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Um... Baxter was banging on the doors pleading for them to let him out.

Baxter becomes increasingly insane after his mutation. In his first episode as a fly, all Shredder has to do is suggest that it was the Turtles' fault to get Baxter to fight them. I don't think he remembers or cares who's fault it actually was.

Chrissie Terrapin · 01-17-2009, 01:55 PM

I don't get it why they changed Baxter to Caucasian instead of African American, due to not being framed for racism since Shredder was cruel to him.
Shredder is Japanese... They probably thought that people wouldn't notice it

*Coola Yagami* · 01-19-2009, 12:23 AM

Apart from saying Sayonara and saying stuff like 'ninja honor' and whatnot, Shredder barely acted Japanese. I mean, really, with all the jokes, puns, and play on words he uses, Shredder sure caught a hell of an impressive grip on the English language, while Splinter still kinda/sorta talks like Mr. Miyagi.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 01-19-2009, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Chrissie Terrapin

I don't get it why they changed Baxter to Caucasian instead of African American, due to not being framed for racism since Shredder was cruel to him.
Shredder is Japanese... They probably thought that people wouldn't notice it

A racist doesn't need to be a white guy/girl hating a black guy/girl. It can be a Japanese guy/girl hating a black guy/girl or whatever.

Jelly Bean · 01-23-2009, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cipher

Baxter becomes increasingly insane after his mutation. In his first episode as a fly, all Shredder has to do is suggest that it was the Turtles' fault to get Baxter to fight them. I don't think he remembers or cares who's fault it actually was.

I sort of took that as a "any port in a storm" mentality on Baxter's part. His acceptance of Shredder only lasts that episode from what I've seen.

01-01-2009, 04:42 PM	#2
tone-master21 Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 2,152	Baxter's final appearance in the original series was the episode Revenge of the Fly and he doesn't ever become human again, infact he gets trapped in limbo again. __________________

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Sage Ninja Band of the Hawk Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: USA Posts: 3,926	I always felt sorry for Baxter in the Old toon. He didn't deserve half the crap he got from Shredder and every one else. But then Baxter character in genral is supposed to be verey tragic and every thing from being abused by Shredder and turned into a fly and betrayed and trapped inbetween deminsions, was the old toon more child friendly way of depicting him as tormented tragic character he was dipicted as being in mirage comics. __________________ Cassandra: You won't fight me, but will you fight--for him! Cassandra's Revenge ~Tangled the Series ________________________________ http://frankviola.org/2012/01/30/godsviewofawoman/ _______________________________ http://nox-artemis.tumblr.com/post/4...k-and-feminism

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Evenstar227 Stone Warrior Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: 42 Burr Hill Rd Posts: 513	Baxter in the OT was treated like crap by Shredder and Krang. He didn't seem to deserve the ill treatment he was subjected to, at least not at first. After continually helping a supervillain, however, could he be considered an "innocent bystander"? Baxter in the NT, however, was a crazy mofo. He did get a lot of grief from Shredder, but he probably deserved it due to his evil machinations in that series. Haven't read enough Mirage comics to say about that, but if 2k3 Baxter is derived from that then I'd probably feel the same. __________________ In the beginning...

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Original TMNT Cartoon Fan Overlord Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 10,481	Revenge of the Fly I would like to have him as a human all the 1987 cartoon long. But the funniest he said as a fly was in the 1993 episode "Revenge of the Fly" when he mutated humans into insects, saying "Don't worry about the ants ruining your picknick, you are the ants".

01-10-2009, 10:13 PM	#11
NameGoesHere1066 Stone Warrior Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: at home LOL Posts: 957	you know what I found weird about OT Baxter? He always called Shredder "Master". Why did he call Shredder master? It's not like Baxter came from a foriegn background where Master and servant hiearchy was the norm. For goodness sakes, Baxter was a white guy who came from an American culture. Did Baxter call Shredder Master of his own volition or did Shredder make him? He doesn't own Baxter and he had nothing over him, I mean Bebop and Rocksteady who a practically Shredder's slaves never call him Master. Just boss. __________________ ]

01-01-2009, 06:07 PM	#4
IamtheKnight Stone Warrior Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Gotham City Posts: 701	I felt sorry for him in the new toon after Insane in the Membrane.

01-01-2009, 09:46 PM	#5
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,709	Baxter's life just sucks no matter how you slice it. I mean in the original comics he's apparantly a brain chained up to a robot on a wall for who knows how many years until Don blasts him.

01-10-2009, 11:55 PM	#12
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,709	Shredder likes a bitch to call him master.... What I find funny is how he was always against the Turtles, when him becoming a fly was all Shredder and Krang's doing. Like in his final episode- Baxter- Now I'll finally make you pay for what you did to me! Leo- Baxter... exactly what did we do to you? Baxter- ..... I... I don't remember, but I'll make you pay!!!

01-17-2009, 08:46 AM	#14
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,709	Um... Baxter was banging on the doors pleading for them to let him out.

01-17-2009, 01:55 PM	#17
Chrissie Terrapin Foot Soldier Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: somewhere Posts: 180	I don't get it why they changed Baxter to Caucasian instead of African American, due to not being framed for racism since Shredder was cruel to him. Shredder is Japanese... They probably thought that people wouldn't notice it

01-19-2009, 12:23 AM	#18
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,709	Apart from saying Sayonara and saying stuff like 'ninja honor' and whatnot, Shredder barely acted Japanese. I mean, really, with all the jokes, puns, and play on words he uses, Shredder sure caught a hell of an impressive grip on the English language, while Splinter still kinda/sorta talks like Mr. Miyagi.