The Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King

Mikey the Party Turtle · 03-09-2003, 01:56 PM

WARNING! SPOILERS BE AHEAD FOR NEWBIES!!!!!
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Alrighty, we all know that one of the greatest movie trilogies is going to end this year with,"The Return of the King", which, guranteed by Peter Jackson, to be the most powerful of all three. Now, there has to be some people who read the books on here, and if so:
What are you most looking forward to?
For me, it would either be Sam fighting Shelob, Gollum and Frodo fighting at Mt.Doom (Very powerful moment.), or to see if they kept in The Grey Havens at the end.
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End spoilers!

The really funny things is, two movie trilogies are wrapping it up this year. (And they both have the same actor...Agent Elrond.

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Deepflame · 03-09-2003, 05:10 PM

I'm looking forward to display of Faramir's and Eowyn's love.
The battle of Pelennor can't be to bad either

We'll get to see all members of the fellowship (save Frodo and Sam) kicking some serious ass, add Eowyn's battle against the WK and we have something damn good.
Seeing Frodo fail the quest to the ring will probably be my favourite moment of the movie.
And then we have the Morannon and the Mouth of Sauron, there are some pretty belivable rumors of Sauron being at the Morannon too, some even say we will get too see him fight (vs. Aragorn). I definetly don't want to see something like that, it would ruin his cunning and smart bad-ass villain 'gig, you know, "don't do anything if anybody else can do it for you". I could picture him standing at the top of the Black Gate, though; inspiring frenzy to his minions, and fear to his foes.

Mikey the Party Turtle · 03-09-2003, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Deepflame

I'm looking forward to display of Faramir's and Eowyn's love.
The battle of Pelennor can't be to bad either

We'll get to see all members of the fellowship (save Frodo and Sam) kicking some serious ass, add Eowyn's battle against the WK and we have something damn good.
Seeing Frodo fail the quest to the ring will probably be my favourite moment of the movie.
And then we have the Morannon and the Mouth of Sauron, there are some pretty belivable rumors of Sauron being at the Morannon too, some even say we will get too see him fight (vs. Aragorn). I definetly don't want to see something like that, it would ruin his cunning and smart bad-ass villain 'gig, you know, "don't do anything if anybody else can do it for you". I could picture him standing at the top of the Black Gate, though; inspiring frenzy to his minions, and fear to his foes.

That would be so cool to see him though. The Witchking should be an interesting battle. (I wonder how they'll handle Theoden's death....?) The one thing I'm looking forward to the most is definatly Frodo and Sam struggling to get to Mt.Doom.

It was such a sad, scary and exciting moment out of the trilogy.

Raphael-sama · 03-09-2003, 07:02 PM

My ultimate dream for RotK is watching the Ring falling into the fire while clutched in Gollum's hand, before witnessing the greatest spectacle of all: Mordor and everything in it collasping upon itself. That scene is going to ****ing ROCK.

Deepflame · 03-10-2003, 10:43 AM

http://www.freewebs.com/krossaren/sauron1.jpg

Yeah! Go Freewebs <not, but it's the most complicated of those web-space thingies I can understand :p>
Anyways, that's currently my pride and joy, but although I completed it yesterday. it's already getting slightly outdated, herrrm...

Dunnow how it works at this forum, but at another one you had to paste the URL into the damn what's-it-called thing, else you would simply be forwarded to the same thread.

**GK Punk** · 03-10-2003, 10:47 AM

[quote="Mikey the Party Turtle"]For me, it would either be Sam fighting Shelobquote]

As a huge arachnaphobic... I am fearing that scene...

**HorseTechie** · 03-10-2003, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikey the Party Turtle

That would be so cool to see him though. The Witchking should be an interesting battle. (I wonder how they'll handle Theoden's death....?) The one thing I'm looking forward to the most is definatly Frodo and Sam struggling to get to Mt.Doom.

It was such a sad, scary and exciting moment out of the trilogy.

Heh.. okay, I admit I'm a big LotR fan who has yet to read all of Return of the King. (life is tooo busy to just... *read* for fun anymore

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But I still look forward to this part, be it Book or Movie (whichever comes first). I also cane wait to see how Sam and Frodo make it to mount Doom, and the final outcome of the others in the great war. For a website on LotR horses I had done, I read bits where Pippin and Galdalf traveled togeteher on Shadowfax.

Awesome pic, that you have done as well, Deepflame.

Eeee....

Deepflame · 03-10-2003, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by HorseTechie

Heh.. okay, I admit I'm a big LotR fan who has yet to read all of Return of the King. (life is tooo busy to just... *read* for fun anymore

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But I still look forward to this part, be it Book or Movie (whichever comes first). I also cane wait to see how Sam and Frodo make it to mount Doom, and the final outcome of the others in the great war. For a website on LotR horses I had done, I read bits where Pippin and Galdalf traveled togeteher on Shadowfax.

Awesome pic, that you have done as well, Deepflame.

Eeee....

So you're one of those who reads spoiler and looks at the last page

And thanks for the comment, but you are all free to throw me some evil critisicm too (there are a few obvoius faults

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By the way, concerning TTT, was I the only one to find it strange that the Rohirrim charged right into a packed force of spears and pikes? I've deviced a few explanations to this, but I'm interested in hearing what some of you others think about this matter (cavalry charging into pikes usually ends up with cavalry hanging dead at the points of the pikes, it is not a good tactic.)
Yeah, I know this is a 'lil whining, but...

**HorseTechie** · 03-10-2003, 04:11 PM

Aww phoo. well, I'm not the type who reads the last page!

That's also why I hadn't read all of RotK yet. I want to be totally surprised with the movie when I go to see it too. Than I'll read the book after. Seems better that way, me thinks. (cause then I can appreciate all the things that are in the book later, and otherwise not get all peeved at Jackson for not having so and so in the movie too)

I guess you are talking about the part at the end with Gandalf on Shandowfax charging into the orcish army, Deepflame. I also had questions about that too. I had watched Braveheart not long before that (another excellent movie), and it was most certainly "shish ka bob pony" for many when the Scots suddenly rose their spears on the charging English.

But yet, PJ was using a digital army here, and I could see in many occasions the Rohirmm just going right thru them as if they were ghosts. Hrmm... I guess he didn't feel like appearing as if he was abusing more horses after all fuss that was raised after the a Nazgul steed slid off the Brandywine dock and broke it's leg (thus had to be put down after). :/

Okay... you want a critque on your pic too? Well, it certainly is funny how clicking on it just brings up another window with the forum.

My yay is that I love your attention to detail to this. Great stuff! Did you also detail the design on his clothing as well? My nay... his armor on his hands and feet stands out in a bad way. To me, it looks unfinished as raw inked portions that still need to be colored. The armor might look more part of the picture if you colored it in with a soft gray/silver color (with the black ink lines on top of the color, of course).

Deepflame · 03-10-2003, 04:52 PM

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Aww phoo. well, I'm not the type who reads the last page!

That's also why I hadn't read all of RotK yet. I want to be totally surprised with the movie when I go to see it too. Than I'll read the book after. Seems better that way, me thinks. (cause then I can appreciate all the things that are in the book later, and otherwise not get all peeved at Jackson for not having so and so in the movie too)

Then it's certainly a good idea to read a thread with a spoiler warning

The dangerous thing with reading the book afterwards is that you usually get taints on your ideas for the characters appearance, as an example.
I (who have read the book twice) got many of my own thoughts bashed by the movie. I'm slowly finding my way back to it, though.

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Originally Posted by HorseTechie

I guess you are talking about the part at the end with Gandalf on Shandowfax charging into the orcish army, Deepflame. I also had questions about that too. I had watched Braveheart not long before that (another excellent movie), and it was most certainly "shish ka bob pony" for many when the Scots suddenly rose their spears on the charging English.

Exactly that part. Since I couldn't stand having such an error screaming right at me, I thought this up:
First, as a pikeman, you have to have a good aim for the target, else you're gonna have some difficulties (holding the spear right in front of you works, but isn't overly effective) hitting it.
We have the sun rising just as the Rohirrim pour into the deep, that is most certainly a devastating shock for the orcs, they've been running around in that muddy darkness the whole night. They would have a very though time concentrating.
And here comes the magic. Note how Gandalf glows like a second sun (

), the Uruk-Hai's difference to normal orcs except their greater strenght was that they were not weakend by the sun. This does not make them immune in any way, though, and they are probably still more vulnerable to the effects than other races. Add the sun to Gandalfs shine thing and the Uruks should be weakend!
Then, of course, the Rohirrim are mucho skilled horsemen too, and probably train a lot to counter these situations

I noticed that thing with riders going right through orcs too, there is one particular when they charge out of the Hornburg

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Originally Posted by HorseTechie

My yay is that I love your attention to detail to this. Great stuff! Did you also detail the design on his clothing as well? My nay... his armor on his hands and feet stands out in a bad way. To me, it looks unfinished as raw inked portions that still need to be colored. The armor might look more part of the picture if you colored it in with a soft gray/silver color (with the black ink lines on top of the color, of course).

Mmm, that's the obvious one. It ain't any real problem to fix, but I'm not really sure what colours to use

Gray/silver? At first it had that colour, but when I added some mood they turned to another one.
But, you know, look at the colours at the rest of the picture, it all have the slightly reddish brown mood, I dunnow, it feels wrong

It more or less means I have to get rid of those shiny areas on the armour, but I'll try that out too. Anyways, keep em comin!
The texture on his clothing is drawn by hand, and I always love doing it

And this may surprise some, but this is simply a 4B, it's not inks at all

Mikey the Party Turtle · 03-10-2003, 06:26 PM

Well, that certain scene in TTT with the spears confused me as well, but after multiple veiwings, you have to think that Gandalf is a wizard, and I remember that little duel he and Saruman had in FotR. Do you think he could've repelled the spears with his magic, because when he rides through the Uruk-Hai, he has his staffed raised.

*Eye of Sarnath* · 03-10-2003, 06:30 PM

I myself think it's just an inexcusable mistake, but...

Deepflame · 03-11-2003, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikey the Party Turtle

Well, that certain scene in TTT with the spears confused me as well, but after multiple veiwings, you have to think that Gandalf is a wizard, and I remember that little duel he and Saruman had in FotR. Do you think he could've repelled the spears with his magic, because when he rides through the Uruk-Hai, he has his staffed raised.

If you look at the spears you'll see that Gandalf isn't doin' his magic thing on them. Also, the magic in ME is of a strange nature, and works more as an enforcer to something else (look when Gandalf smashes his staff against the bridge when he fights the Balrog, or when Sauron bulldozes the enemy armies at the prologue).

Either way, the team could've done a much better job at showing why it was so damn easy for the Rohirrim

Raphael-sama · 03-11-2003, 11:53 AM

Well, if you'd notice, right before the Rohirrim bash into the Orc armies, a light (made by Gandalf? He WAS holding his staff up...) blinds them and causes most of the spears of lift upwards and out of the way. Thusfore eliminating the threat for the horses.

Mikey the Party Turtle · 03-11-2003, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Deepflame

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Originally Posted by Mikey the Party Turtle

Well, that certain scene in TTT with the spears confused me as well, but after multiple veiwings, you have to think that Gandalf is a wizard, and I remember that little duel he and Saruman had in FotR. Do you think he could've repelled the spears with his magic, because when he rides through the Uruk-Hai, he has his staffed raised.

If you look at the spears you'll see that Gandalf isn't doin' his magic thing on them. Also, the magic in ME is of a strange nature, and works more as an enforcer to something else (look when Gandalf smashes his staff against the bridge when he fights the Balrog, or when Sauron bulldozes the enemy armies at the prologue).

Either way, the team could've done a much better job at showing why it was so damn easy for the Rohirrim

There's always the Extended Edition and Ultimate Edition.

(Come on, Peter himself said there's going to be a future release where he's going to fix some shots, like Gollum in FotR.)

*Voltron* · 03-12-2003, 04:55 PM

Gandalf wouldn't have "died" because he was already "dead". If you read the Silmarillion Gandalf and Saruman are angels that come to Middle Earth to prevent Sauron from taking power. That was the purpose of the Wizards and why he talks about why so few people know who he really is.

Plus, the scene outside of Gondor when all hell breaks loose is going to be insane. It may very well be so cool that people in the audience might die from it......

Deepflame · 03-12-2003, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Voltron

Gandalf wouldn't have "died" because he was already "dead". If you read the Silmarillion Gandalf and Saruman are angels that come to Middle Earth to prevent Sauron from taking power. That was the purpose of the Wizards and why he talks about why so few people know who he really is.

What do you mean with "woudn't have died"? Gandalf the White wasn't immortal or anything like that. He could still be killed (kinda, or not), or have his body destroyed and powers diminished 'til he couldn't take new shape, kinda. But that may be an opening for a discussion, however. Is this the same for all Maia? The Balrogs seem pretty dead to me

, when they die, that is.

Calling them angels is kinda wrong, but I guess you thought it was a fitting name of their kind

The 5 came to ME to aid the free peoples against Sauron, but prevent is a little too strong word, I'd say oppose instead. The time had come for the race of men to show that they were capable of becoming the new masters of ME, after the passing of the elves.

*Voltron* · 03-13-2003, 04:13 PM

Deep Flame, it's in the Silmarillion! I guess it's open to interpretation. By the way DF, is your pic there the Rat guy from Captain Planet?

Deepflame · 03-13-2003, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Voltron

Deep Flame, it's in the Silmarillion! I guess it's open to interpretation.

What part were you commenting on? I feel it's kinda clear that men have to prove themselves strong enough to take on after the elves, I'm pretty damn sure it can be found several times in both books too.

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By the way DF, is your pic there the Rat guy from Captain Planet?

What picture? The avatar? I guess so cuz' the other one is pretty obvious.
But no, I made the avatar myself and I have no idea what Captain Planet and the Rat guy is. On the other hand, I do belive I've seen a few of those Captain Planet some few ages ago, feel free to fresh my memory up, though

Dinny · 03-16-2003, 06:14 AM

I really wanna C Golllum dancing around with the ring and then falling in2 Mt. Doom

03-09-2003, 01:56 PM	#1
Mikey the Party Turtle Hench Mutant Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: In the US of A. Yay. Posts: 442	The Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King WARNING! SPOILERS BE AHEAD FOR NEWBIES!!!!! . . . . . . . . . . Alrighty, we all know that one of the greatest movie trilogies is going to end this year with,"The Return of the King", which, guranteed by Peter Jackson, to be the most powerful of all three. Now, there has to be some people who read the books on here, and if so: What are you most looking forward to? For me, it would either be Sam fighting Shelob, Gollum and Frodo fighting at Mt.Doom (Very powerful moment.), or to see if they kept in The Grey Havens at the end. . . . . . End spoilers! The really funny things is, two movie trilogies are wrapping it up this year. (And they both have the same actor...Agent Elrond. )

03-09-2003, 05:10 PM	#2
Deepflame Hench Mutant Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Deep below the mountains... Posts: 254	I'm looking forward to display of Faramir's and Eowyn's love. The battle of Pelennor can't be to bad either We'll get to see all members of the fellowship (save Frodo and Sam) kicking some serious ass, add Eowyn's battle against the WK and we have something damn good. Seeing Frodo fail the quest to the ring will probably be my favourite moment of the movie. And then we have the Morannon and the Mouth of Sauron, there are some pretty belivable rumors of Sauron being at the Morannon too, some even say we will get too see him fight (vs. Aragorn). I definetly don't want to see something like that, it would ruin his cunning and smart bad-ass villain 'gig, you know, "don't do anything if anybody else can do it for you". I could picture him standing at the top of the Black Gate, though; inspiring frenzy to his minions, and fear to his foes. __________________ NoOo! The killer scarfs attack!

03-09-2003, 07:02 PM	#4
Raphael-sama Foot Soldier Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Cah-nah-dah Posts: 155	My ultimate dream for RotK is watching the Ring falling into the fire while clutched in Gollum's hand, before witnessing the greatest spectacle of all: Mordor and everything in it collasping upon itself. That scene is going to ****ing ROCK. __________________ -Badabing.

03-10-2003, 10:43 AM	#5
Deepflame Hench Mutant Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Deep below the mountains... Posts: 254	http://www.freewebs.com/krossaren/sauron1.jpg Yeah! Go Freewebs <not, but it's the most complicated of those web-space thingies I can understand :p> Anyways, that's currently my pride and joy, but although I completed it yesterday. it's already getting slightly outdated, herrrm... Dunnow how it works at this forum, but at another one you had to paste the URL into the damn what's-it-called thing, else you would simply be forwarded to the same thread. __________________ NoOo! The killer scarfs attack!

03-10-2003, 10:47 AM	#6
GK Punk I'm your Devil Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,439	Re: The Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King [quote="Mikey the Party Turtle"]For me, it would either be Sam fighting Shelobquote] As a huge arachnaphobic... I am fearing that scene...

03-10-2003, 04:11 PM	#9
HorseTechie Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Midwest Posts: 5,677	Aww phoo. well, I'm not the type who reads the last page! That's also why I hadn't read all of RotK yet. I want to be totally surprised with the movie when I go to see it too. Than I'll read the book after. Seems better that way, me thinks. (cause then I can appreciate all the things that are in the book later, and otherwise not get all peeved at Jackson for not having so and so in the movie too) I guess you are talking about the part at the end with Gandalf on Shandowfax charging into the orcish army, Deepflame. I also had questions about that too. I had watched Braveheart not long before that (another excellent movie), and it was most certainly "shish ka bob pony" for many when the Scots suddenly rose their spears on the charging English. But yet, PJ was using a digital army here, and I could see in many occasions the Rohirmm just going right thru them as if they were ghosts. Hrmm... I guess he didn't feel like appearing as if he was abusing more horses after all fuss that was raised after the a Nazgul steed slid off the Brandywine dock and broke it's leg (thus had to be put down after). :/ Okay... you want a critque on your pic too? Well, it certainly is funny how clicking on it just brings up another window with the forum. My yay is that I love your attention to detail to this. Great stuff! Did you also detail the design on his clothing as well? My nay... his armor on his hands and feet stands out in a bad way. To me, it looks unfinished as raw inked portions that still need to be colored. The armor might look more part of the picture if you colored it in with a soft gray/silver color (with the black ink lines on top of the color, of course).

03-10-2003, 06:26 PM	#11
Mikey the Party Turtle Hench Mutant Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: In the US of A. Yay. Posts: 442	Well, that certain scene in TTT with the spears confused me as well, but after multiple veiwings, you have to think that Gandalf is a wizard, and I remember that little duel he and Saruman had in FotR. Do you think he could've repelled the spears with his magic, because when he rides through the Uruk-Hai, he has his staffed raised.

03-10-2003, 06:30 PM	#12
Eye of Sarnath Mad Scientist Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: NY Posts: 1,590	I myself think it's just an inexcusable mistake, but... __________________ "When I was real small I heard about this thing called the decline of civilization... and I decided that it was something I would like to become involved in." -George Carlin

03-11-2003, 11:53 AM	#14
Raphael-sama Foot Soldier Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Cah-nah-dah Posts: 155	Well, if you'd notice, right before the Rohirrim bash into the Orc armies, a light (made by Gandalf? He WAS holding his staff up...) blinds them and causes most of the spears of lift upwards and out of the way. Thusfore eliminating the threat for the horses. __________________ -Badabing.

03-12-2003, 04:55 PM	#16
Voltron Handsomest Boy in School Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The Realm of SJW Posts: 4,642	Gandalf Gandalf wouldn't have "died" because he was already "dead". If you read the Silmarillion Gandalf and Saruman are angels that come to Middle Earth to prevent Sauron from taking power. That was the purpose of the Wizards and why he talks about why so few people know who he really is. Plus, the scene outside of Gondor when all hell breaks loose is going to be insane. It may very well be so cool that people in the audience might die from it......

03-13-2003, 04:13 PM	#18
Voltron Handsomest Boy in School Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The Realm of SJW Posts: 4,642	Deep Flame, it's in the Silmarillion! I guess it's open to interpretation. By the way DF, is your pic there the Rat guy from Captain Planet?

03-16-2003, 06:14 AM	#20
Dinny Stone Warrior Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 774	I really wanna C Golllum dancing around with the ring and then falling in2 Mt. Doom