Original series and 2k3 series DVD concerns...who owns them?

*CyberCubed* · 10-21-2009, 11:20 AM

Now that Nick has bought TMNT, what happens to the DVD releases of the original cartoon and 2k3 series?

Will Lionsgate still be allowed to release the final seasons of the original series on DVD? And what about the 2k3 series?

*DrSpengler* · 10-21-2009, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Now that Nick has bought TMNT, what happens to the DVD releases of the original cartoon and 2k3 series?

Will Lionsgate still be allowed to release the final seasons of the original series on DVD? And what about the 2k3 series?

Fred Wolf Films owns every episode of the 80s cartoon, lock stock and barrel. Mirage had 0 rights to them and Fred Wolf Films (through Lionsgate) could release them with or without Mirage's consent (it just so happens Mirage chose to cooperate with advertising and DVD packaging art, etc).

Presumably, that set up remains the same even though Nick now owns the TMNT franchise. Lionsgate can still release the Old Toon on DVD because they have full ownership of that series.

As for the 2k3 series? I dunno about that one.

Newton Gimmick · 10-21-2009, 12:11 PM

Wouldn't be surprised if Nick buys up the old TV show rights before long.

*CyberCubed* · 10-21-2009, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Newton Gimmick

Wouldn't be surprised if Nick buys up the old TV show rights before long.

Unlikely. Nick has a new CG TMNT series coming in 2012.

They're not going to care about some old 80's toon or 4kids TMNT series. Which is why I worry about the DVD releases.

*gobo* · 10-21-2009, 01:39 PM

*insert ignorant question here*

*ToTheNines* · 10-21-2009, 02:42 PM

Umm.... I think OT is fine.

And I'll take this as good news for the NT, 4kids was obviously doing a sh*tty job finding a distributor, so Nick might help with that.

The only thing I'm really worried about is the new movie, and I'm upset over the comics...

*CyberCubed* · 10-22-2009, 09:57 AM

Lionsgate never did offer the original series to sale to Mirage, mainly because Peter didn't feel like buying it, but I wonder if Nick offered Lionsgate a good deal of money, they could purchase the original show like they did the 4kids one.

I really hope they don't though, at least not yet. I'd rather Lionsgate quickly release Season 9 and 10, along with the 3 skipped eps, before any deal is made.

If the old toon gets re-released on DVD again later on, then so be it, but I prefer if Lionsgate finishes the run.

Tuxedo Moroboshi · 10-22-2009, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Unlikely. Nick has a new CG TMNT series coming in 2012.

They're not going to care about some old 80's toon or 4kids TMNT series.

You may want to take a look at the last, most bottom paragraph of this article.

*Kendamu* · 10-22-2009, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Clown Prince of Crime

You may want to take a look at the last, most bottom paragraph of this article.

Y'know what I'd like to see out of that? Reruns of the OT on Nick. That would kick so much ass. Reruns of 2k3 would be cool, too, but the OT hasn't been on US television in forever.

*Cipher* · 10-22-2009, 11:15 AM

If anything this is good news for seeing the rest of the 4Kids cartoon on DVD. Nick, I think, tends to be pretty good about DVD releases, don't they?

*Kendamu* · 10-22-2009, 11:23 AM

I don't collect a lot of Nick stuff, but their Avatar DVDs were good. First singles, then they went back and did Season releases once those became the norm.

Hopefully this means Turtles Forever on DVD.

hudemx · 10-22-2009, 11:54 AM

Hopefully Lionsgate wont sell the DVD Rights!

C'mon its only 2 Sets till (almost) the complet OT is on DVD!

Also it would be a pain in the ***, because all the DVD Labels around the World which have now a Deal with Lionsgate would be scrued because Paramount would get the Worldwide DVD Rights!

*Kendamu* · 10-22-2009, 12:14 PM

Well, maybe Lionsgate will finish out their releases then sell the OT if they so choose to sell the OT at all. It isn't like they have to do it right this minute just because Mirage did the same a day or four ago. They don't even have to do it at all.

It would be nice for one company to own all of this stuff, though. It gives greater potential for future material to draw from many sources without having to deal with a whole bunch of copyright issues.

*CyberCubed* · 10-22-2009, 02:02 PM

Well the 2k3 series will apparently be airing on Nick as reruns, so if they're going to air the series on TV they'll probably give it DVD releases.

Its just the original cartoon that I wonder about.

veemonjosh · 10-22-2009, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Cipher Classic

If anything this is good news for seeing the rest of the 4Kids cartoon on DVD. Nick, I think, tends to be pretty good about DVD releases, don't they?

Except for some of the insane prices that their boxsets go for ($60 for just one season of Avatar?!?), they're pretty good at releasing their properties on DVD.

A hell of a lot better than Disney, at any rate.

Leonardo_Warrior_Turtle · 10-22-2009, 05:17 PM

I just hope that Nick makes a effort to release full season sets of the show. None of this 'Part 1 or 2' BS that Funimation did. I want all 26 episodes from each season on the set TOGETHER. If I can get all 2k3 episodes (FF and BTTS included) I'll be a happy camper. If Turtles Forever is indeed the end of the 2k3 universe as we know it, it deserves to be on DVD properly.

*Kendamu* · 10-22-2009, 07:03 PM

Same here. Hopefully all this stop-and-go incomplete DVD release junk might actually come to an end now that we've got one company managing everything without sending people into creative burnout.

*Spitfire* · 10-23-2009, 12:30 PM

This might be a stupid question but I'm going to ask it anyway just to shut my curiosity up.

The buy out was of both Mirage and 4Kids correct? This means that after whatever the end date is they no longer have rights to produce anything turtles, except the 18 comics. So this means Nick basically now owns the 2K3 series. Since it's pretty obvious at this time 4Kids will never finish releasing the series on DVD properly my question is really more of a statement.

This means if we want BTTS we will have to buy it from Australia, unless Nick takes pity on us and decides to release the series. This also raises questions about the future of the Turtles Forever movie. If it's not released by the cut off point what will it's fate be?

Secondly I wanted to address Lion's Gate. I'm fairly positive they are unaffected by this. Fred Wolf had all the rights to the old series and LG wasn't even required to keep Mirage in the loop about the DVD releases. So with that said we should still be getting the last 2 seasons of the old toon, and hopefully a complete series set, with no problem. However I'm not sure how that legally works since the turtles likeness has been sold completely.

*Kendamu* · 10-23-2009, 12:37 PM

We have been talking about it a little already, but from what's going on it seems that after August of 2010 Nick will own everything except the OT. However, Nick is looking into getting the rights for the OT as well. With so little left for Lionsgate to put on DVD, I'm guessing we'll get the whole thing before they let Nick have it.

*Spitfire* · 10-23-2009, 12:42 PM

Well with that much time it might even be possible to get BTTS released here. That also makes me worry less about Turtles Forever being released. I have no clue why Nick wants to buy the OT unless they plan on re-running it. That's probably what they want to do since it's so popular and has yet to see the light of day on TV in over a decade.

I missed that topic completely so sorry for making another similar one.

10-21-2009, 11:20 AM	#1
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,713	Original series and 2k3 series DVD concerns...who owns them? Now that Nick has bought TMNT, what happens to the DVD releases of the original cartoon and 2k3 series? Will Lionsgate still be allowed to release the final seasons of the original series on DVD? And what about the 2k3 series?

10-21-2009, 01:39 PM	#5
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10-22-2009, 11:54 AM	#12
hudemx Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Klagenfurt Posts: 371	Hopefully Lionsgate wont sell the DVD Rights! C'mon its only 2 Sets till (almost) the complet OT is on DVD! Also it would be a pain in the ***, because all the DVD Labels around the World which have now a Deal with Lionsgate would be scrued because Paramount would get the Worldwide DVD Rights! __________________ German TMNT News Blog: http://ninjaturtlepower.wordpress.com/

10-22-2009, 05:17 PM	#16
Leonardo_Warrior_Turtle Stone Warrior Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 858	I just hope that Nick makes a effort to release full season sets of the show. None of this 'Part 1 or 2' BS that Funimation did. I want all 26 episodes from each season on the set TOGETHER. If I can get all 2k3 episodes (FF and BTTS included) I'll be a happy camper. If Turtles Forever is indeed the end of the 2k3 universe as we know it, it deserves to be on DVD properly. __________________

10-23-2009, 12:30 PM	#18
Spitfire Writer • Director Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,035	Future Of DVDs This might be a stupid question but I'm going to ask it anyway just to shut my curiosity up. The buy out was of both Mirage and 4Kids correct? This means that after whatever the end date is they no longer have rights to produce anything turtles, except the 18 comics. So this means Nick basically now owns the 2K3 series. Since it's pretty obvious at this time 4Kids will never finish releasing the series on DVD properly my question is really more of a statement. This means if we want BTTS we will have to buy it from Australia, unless Nick takes pity on us and decides to release the series. This also raises questions about the future of the Turtles Forever movie. If it's not released by the cut off point what will it's fate be? Secondly I wanted to address Lion's Gate. I'm fairly positive they are unaffected by this. Fred Wolf had all the rights to the old series and LG wasn't even required to keep Mirage in the loop about the DVD releases. So with that said we should still be getting the last 2 seasons of the old toon, and hopefully a complete series set, with no problem. However I'm not sure how that legally works since the turtles likeness has been sold completely. __________________ Check out my online portfolio http://www.christopherpelletier.com/

10-21-2009, 12:11 PM	#3
Newton Gimmick Mad Scientist Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,154	Wouldn't be surprised if Nick buys up the old TV show rights before long.

10-21-2009, 02:42 PM	#6
ToTheNines Col. Stinkmeaner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,072	Umm.... I think OT is fine. And I'll take this as good news for the NT, 4kids was obviously doing a sh*tty job finding a distributor, so Nick might help with that. The only thing I'm really worried about is the new movie, and I'm upset over the comics...

10-22-2009, 09:57 AM	#7
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,713	Lionsgate never did offer the original series to sale to Mirage, mainly because Peter didn't feel like buying it, but I wonder if Nick offered Lionsgate a good deal of money, they could purchase the original show like they did the 4kids one. I really hope they don't though, at least not yet. I'd rather Lionsgate quickly release Season 9 and 10, along with the 3 skipped eps, before any deal is made. If the old toon gets re-released on DVD again later on, then so be it, but I prefer if Lionsgate finishes the run.

10-22-2009, 11:15 AM	#10
Cipher Foot Elite Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 3,454	If anything this is good news for seeing the rest of the 4Kids cartoon on DVD. Nick, I think, tends to be pretty good about DVD releases, don't they?

10-22-2009, 11:23 AM	#11
Kendamu Sewerhead Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 2,890	I don't collect a lot of Nick stuff, but their Avatar DVDs were good. First singles, then they went back and did Season releases once those became the norm. Hopefully this means Turtles Forever on DVD.

10-22-2009, 12:14 PM	#13
Kendamu Sewerhead Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 2,890	Well, maybe Lionsgate will finish out their releases then sell the OT if they so choose to sell the OT at all. It isn't like they have to do it right this minute just because Mirage did the same a day or four ago. They don't even have to do it at all. It would be nice for one company to own all of this stuff, though. It gives greater potential for future material to draw from many sources without having to deal with a whole bunch of copyright issues.

10-22-2009, 02:02 PM	#14
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,713	Well the 2k3 series will apparently be airing on Nick as reruns, so if they're going to air the series on TV they'll probably give it DVD releases. Its just the original cartoon that I wonder about.

10-22-2009, 07:03 PM	#17
Kendamu Sewerhead Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 2,890	Same here. Hopefully all this stop-and-go incomplete DVD release junk might actually come to an end now that we've got one company managing everything without sending people into creative burnout.

10-23-2009, 12:37 PM	#19
Kendamu Sewerhead Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 2,890	We have been talking about it a little already, but from what's going on it seems that after August of 2010 Nick will own everything except the OT. However, Nick is looking into getting the rights for the OT as well. With so little left for Lionsgate to put on DVD, I'm guessing we'll get the whole thing before they let Nick have it.

10-23-2009, 12:42 PM	#20
Spitfire Writer • Director Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,035	Well with that much time it might even be possible to get BTTS released here. That also makes me worry less about Turtles Forever being released. I have no clue why Nick wants to buy the OT unless they plan on re-running it. That's probably what they want to do since it's so popular and has yet to see the light of day on TV in over a decade. I missed that topic completely so sorry for making another similar one. __________________ Check out my online portfolio http://www.christopherpelletier.com/