Warm or cold blooded?

SeaThreePeeO · 03-18-2002, 04:15 PM

So whose in the mood for a NICE debate?

I was watching a program about Dinosaurs on Discovery and the debate about them being warm or cold blooded came up. So these sciencey people, whith a lack of dinosaurs to catch, went out and caught a logger head turtle. The checked its metabolic rate and found that it was on the border line between warm and cold blooied.

Your thoughts?

**azure turtle** · 03-18-2002, 04:19 PM

Hmmm....I thought all reptiles were cold-blooded? There are probably a few exceptions.

**Kali** · 03-18-2002, 04:24 PM

Are you asking if we think Dinosaurs were cold or warm blooded, or the Turtles? I will assume the Turtles since we're in that forum.

I always thought they were on the border between warm and cold blooded. Obviously their body temperature is not totally dependent on their environment, but not totally stable either. Definitely lower than average human temperature.

Saisei · 03-18-2002, 04:36 PM

I've gotta agree. I've always figured that body temperature was one of the aspects that were affected by the mutation, making them warm-blooded, but not fully. Kind of like how their appearance changed, but they have both human and turtle characteristics in their looks.

**Machias Banshee** · 03-18-2002, 04:43 PM

The guys are probly something like "lukewarm"-blooded. I know that i can feel sluggish in heat and feisty in cold, and sometimes its the other way around...

They can probly stand extreme temperatures to a certain point, and then it would start to affect them.

**HorseTechie** · 03-18-2002, 04:56 PM

*pops on a school PC... and temporarily ignores her Illustrator map*

Ooo...ooo..!! Good debate question! On the average, I also considered most reptiles as being 'cold-blooded'... generally not being able to maintan thier own body temperature.
Of course, I imagine a Ninja Turtle is also lukewarm-blooded after the mutation.

I've also seen a few shows on PBS about reptiles and dinos... as well as read what Crichton concluded in the Jurassic Park book.

In summary: size makes a difference! I remeber it being stated that for a big dino to be able to maintain his temperature, he would have to be warmblooded to a certain degree. And so they compared many of the dinos to that of birds. One thing there, is that many birds have a very high metabolism... while the dinos would have to had lower metaobolism so they didn't burn up all their energy needed to move their big bodies around.

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**Machias Banshee** · 03-18-2002, 05:03 PM

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On 2002-03-18 17:56, HorseTechie wrote:

Ooo...ooo..!! Good debate question! On the average, I also considered most reptiles as being 'cold-blooded'... generally not being able to maintan thier own body temperature.
Of course, I imagine a Ninja Turtle is also lukewarm-blooded after the mutation.

I've also seen a few shows on PBS about reptiles and dinos... as well as read what Crichton concluded in the Jurassic Park book.

I read everything in Jurassic Park and saw all those dino specials too, but i also base it on my own lukewarm-bloodedness. I also own "Walking with Dinosaurs". Good to see my 'relatives' back in action.

**HorseTechie** · 03-18-2002, 05:09 PM

Ooo.. the Machias Theory!

I bet you've been through these pages too, eh? http://dsc.discovery.com/guides/dinosaur/dinosaur.html

**azure turtle** · 03-18-2002, 05:13 PM

Hey! I own a video set of Walking With Dinosaurs too! After I saw it on the Discovery Channel, I just had to buy it

**Machias Banshee** · 03-18-2002, 05:13 PM

Yup! Whenever im not checking out our ninja reptiles, im looking at my relative reptiles! i used to wanna become a paleoentologist, but after my change, i'd probly BE the thing theyre looking at!

I look at All sorts of stuff on theropods, especially the meateaters! One (or two) books i really like are called dinotopia. The art is incredible, and i LOVE Stinktooth the Giganotosaurus!

Reptile fetish? NAH......!

*hides from off-topic Allosaurs*

**HorseTechie** · 03-18-2002, 05:17 PM

mmm-hmmm... now I see why she wanted to prove if they are warm or cold blooded.

**azure turtle** · 03-18-2002, 05:21 PM

Off topic allosaurs?? Where? Where?
*looks around nervously*

**Machias Banshee** · 03-18-2002, 05:23 PM

*chases HT to bap her*

Actually, i have a newspaper article about someone discovering a dinosaur heart and finding that it was four-chambered and hot-blooded. I got TONS of tuff on Dinosaurs!

Oh dear, dont let me get too off-topic, or else i'll go all nutzy... *looks around nervously for angry off-topic ninja turtles*

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[ This Message was edited by: Machias Banshee on 2002-03-18 18:23 ]

Saisei · 03-18-2002, 05:36 PM

I've always sorta wanted to be a paleonthologist, archeologist, or anything that involves discovering stuff in the dirt. Too bad it isn't really as exciting as Indiana Jones or Jurasic Park.

*Tries to sneek back on topic* On the other hand, I've also had the dream of creating some sort of mutagen that combines human and animal dna. Don't think I'll ever see that one through, though...

**azure turtle** · 03-18-2002, 05:38 PM

Heh....there's always a possibility for that. Take a look at cloning, for example. No one had any idea such a process could be done, but someone found a way. Sometimes science scares me

**Machias Banshee** · 03-18-2002, 05:41 PM

*sigh* you should see my origin... thats got all the mutagen melding DNA pandemonium you want...gotta get my prologue and chapter one of my long story typed up! my origin, and how i met the guys is gonna be in the whole thing.

**azure turtle** · 03-18-2002, 05:43 PM

Ooh, you're gonna grace us with your life story, too? How cool is that! I'm currently writing about how I met the TMNT too!

Great minds think alike, eh?

**HorseTechie** · 03-18-2002, 05:43 PM

Some things sci-f do ,ake it to reality, while others still remain undone. It hink the reason why they went ahead with cloning was due to many more reasons on why it could be a benefit. (o course, I'm not all for cloning though... being the religious nut that I am)

I bet as soon as they found a medical benefit for human/animal hybrids, they'll prolly make it happen!

**Machias Banshee** · 03-18-2002, 05:47 PM

Oh oH! I should get some of my Pursuit story up with the pictures i made! Its got LOTS of animal/human hybrids! sone of the characters sound alil' like the TMNT tho... Taladh and Niger are like Splinter, Rynchoseph like Raphael, Hannah like Don/Leo, Carcharadon like...shredder? and Clannad like Mike...

*runs away from off-topic psonics(in the story too!)*

Somebody bap me when i go to far! Ack!
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[ This Message was edited by: Machias Banshee on 2002-03-18 18:49 ]

**HorseTechie** · 03-18-2002, 05:50 PM

hah... that also reminds me of that Mirror fic I started, then turned over to Dawn's "build a story" thing. I sent the Turtles way into the future, and they saw that animal/human hybrids were everywhere.

03-18-2002, 04:19 PM	#2
azure turtle Mango Lovin' Mutant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 9,453	Hmmm....I thought all reptiles were cold-blooded? There are probably a few exceptions. __________________ "God, I love being a turtle!" Want to meet the only blue ninja turtle in existence? Come visit me at my Lair!

03-18-2002, 04:36 PM	#4
Saisei Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 282	I've gotta agree. I've always figured that body temperature was one of the aspects that were affected by the mutation, making them warm-blooded, but not fully. Kind of like how their appearance changed, but they have both human and turtle characteristics in their looks. __________________ The truth is out there, but I forgot the URL...

03-18-2002, 04:56 PM	#6
HorseTechie Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Midwest Posts: 5,677	pops on a school PC... and temporarily ignores her Illustrator map Ooo...ooo..!! Good debate question! On the average, I also considered most reptiles as being 'cold-blooded'... generally not being able to maintan thier own body temperature. Of course, I imagine a Ninja Turtle is also lukewarm-blooded after the mutation. I've also seen a few shows on PBS about reptiles and dinos... as well as read what Crichton concluded in the Jurassic Park book. In summary: size makes a difference! I remeber it being stated that for a big dino to be able to maintain his temperature, he would have to be warmblooded to a certain degree. And so they compared many of the dinos to that of birds. One thing there, is that many birds have a very high metabolism... while the dinos would have to had lower metaobolism so they didn't burn up all their energy needed to move their big bodies around. _________________ "I have a headache this big, and it has Donatello written all over it!" <font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: HorseTechie on 2002-03-18 18:07 ]</font>

03-18-2002, 05:13 PM	#9
azure turtle Mango Lovin' Mutant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 9,453	Hey! I own a video set of Walking With Dinosaurs too! After I saw it on the Discovery Channel, I just had to buy it __________________ "God, I love being a turtle!" Want to meet the only blue ninja turtle in existence? Come visit me at my Lair!

03-18-2002, 05:21 PM	#12
azure turtle Mango Lovin' Mutant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 9,453	Off topic allosaurs?? Where? Where? looks around nervously __________________ "God, I love being a turtle!" Want to meet the only blue ninja turtle in existence? Come visit me at my Lair!

03-18-2002, 04:15 PM	#1
SeaThreePeeO Mad Scientist Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The Void Posts: 1,345	So whose in the mood for a NICE debate? I was watching a program about Dinosaurs on Discovery and the debate about them being warm or cold blooded came up. So these sciencey people, whith a lack of dinosaurs to catch, went out and caught a logger head turtle. The checked its metabolic rate and found that it was on the border line between warm and cold blooied. Your thoughts?

03-18-2002, 04:24 PM	#3
Kali Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California! Posts: 11,101	Are you asking if we think Dinosaurs were cold or warm blooded, or the Turtles? I will assume the Turtles since we're in that forum. I always thought they were on the border between warm and cold blooded. Obviously their body temperature is not totally dependent on their environment, but not totally stable either. Definitely lower than average human temperature.

03-18-2002, 04:43 PM	#5
Machias Banshee Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 17,163	The guys are probly something like "lukewarm"-blooded. I know that i can feel sluggish in heat and feisty in cold, and sometimes its the other way around... They can probly stand extreme temperatures to a certain point, and then it would start to affect them.

03-18-2002, 05:09 PM	#8
HorseTechie Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Midwest Posts: 5,677	Ooo.. the Machias Theory! I bet you've been through these pages too, eh? http://dsc.discovery.com/guides/dinosaur/dinosaur.html

03-18-2002, 05:17 PM	#11
HorseTechie Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Midwest Posts: 5,677	mmm-hmmm... now I see why she wanted to prove if they are warm or cold blooded.

03-18-2002, 05:23 PM	#13
Machias Banshee Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 17,163	chases HT to bap her Actually, i have a newspaper article about someone discovering a dinosaur heart and finding that it was four-chambered and hot-blooded. I got TONS of tuff on Dinosaurs! Oh dear, dont let me get too off-topic, or else i'll go all nutzy... looks around nervously for angry off-topic ninja turtles _________________ Last night I played a blank tape at full blast. The mime next door went nuts. <font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Machias Banshee on 2002-03-18 18:23 ]</font>

03-18-2002, 05:36 PM	#14
Saisei Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 282	I've always sorta wanted to be a paleonthologist, archeologist, or anything that involves discovering stuff in the dirt. Too bad it isn't really as exciting as Indiana Jones or Jurasic Park. Tries to sneek back on topic On the other hand, I've also had the dream of creating some sort of mutagen that combines human and animal dna. Don't think I'll ever see that one through, though... __________________ The truth is out there, but I forgot the URL...

03-18-2002, 05:38 PM	#15
azure turtle Mango Lovin' Mutant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 9,453	Heh....there's always a possibility for that. Take a look at cloning, for example. No one had any idea such a process could be done, but someone found a way. Sometimes science scares me __________________ "God, I love being a turtle!" Want to meet the only blue ninja turtle in existence? Come visit me at my Lair!

03-18-2002, 05:41 PM	#16
Machias Banshee Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 17,163	sigh you should see my origin... thats got all the mutagen melding DNA pandemonium you want...gotta get my prologue and chapter one of my long story typed up! my origin, and how i met the guys is gonna be in the whole thing.

03-18-2002, 05:43 PM	#17
azure turtle Mango Lovin' Mutant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 9,453	Ooh, you're gonna grace us with your life story, too? How cool is that! I'm currently writing about how I met the TMNT too! Great minds think alike, eh? __________________ "God, I love being a turtle!" Want to meet the only blue ninja turtle in existence? Come visit me at my Lair!

03-18-2002, 05:47 PM	#19
Machias Banshee Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 17,163	Oh oH! I should get some of my Pursuit story up with the pictures i made! Its got LOTS of animal/human hybrids! sone of the characters sound alil' like the TMNT tho... Taladh and Niger are like Splinter, Rynchoseph like Raphael, Hannah like Don/Leo, Carcharadon like...shredder? and Clannad like Mike... runs away from off-topic psonics(in the story too!) Somebody bap me when i go to far! Ack! _________________ Last night I played a blank tape at full blast. The mime next door went nuts. <font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Machias Banshee on 2002-03-18 18:49 ]</font>

03-18-2002, 05:50 PM	#20
HorseTechie Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Midwest Posts: 5,677	hah... that also reminds me of that Mirror fic I started, then turned over to Dawn's "build a story" thing. I sent the Turtles way into the future, and they saw that animal/human hybrids were everywhere.