Emma Frost or Jean Grey?

NameGoesHere1066 · 08-26-2010, 09:59 AM

Emma and Jean have been at odds in the comics (not so much in the cartoons, except that time in Wolverine cartoon where Jean tied her up with steal girders). They are both powerful omega mutants with telepathy minds abilities and both have a thing for Cyclops (personaly I don't see why).

But who do you prefer? Jean is great but she is sort of the den mother of the institute and all so noble, plus anyone with a penis seems to fall for her. Plus she keeps dying. Emma is a bitchy sarcastic catty girl who is always making digs at Jean and wants her husband, BUT I think she is a good character and can be funny. Jean isn't always interesting unless she is going all phoenix on your ass. But some how I kept help but like Jean. She's just cool, despite the Mary Sue-nness of her character. So who do you prefer

**Jo Dawn** · 08-26-2010, 05:16 PM

Emma, all the way. I love Frost, and always have. The same way I've always loathed Jean. Plus, every time I see or read her name, I just hear Scott screaming 'JEEAAANNNNNNN!!' in my head.

Emma's just cool. I like her no-nonsense, tell-it-like-it-is way about her. Plus, she's darn sexy to boot. I should break out my old Emma avatar I had here.

I guess I always just disliked Jean always coming back to life, or being the den mother or being perfect or always having men all over her. She bores and annoys me.

...Plus, there's that Scott thing... (Which I also don't get... I also was never a fan of boy-scout Scott. So there ya go.)

The Clerk · 08-26-2010, 09:01 PM

As soon as I saw this topic title I thought of my sister, and her hatred for Jean. Then I just laughed.

Anywho; Emma Frost FTW. I mean c'mon she was a teacher in Generation X!

**Jo Dawn** · 08-26-2010, 09:03 PM

I cannot believe your post didn't just read: JEEAAANNNN!!!!

That's right. Gen X. I don't care what anyone says, I loved that comic.

Plus, Emma with the kids was highly amusing.

**Jester** · 08-26-2010, 09:22 PM

Rogue.....oh wait.

Neither. But I know exactly what you're talking about. I work with a guy named Gene, and I often scream "GEEEENE!!!" alla Scott from the 90's X-men series.

*Sage Ninja* · 08-26-2010, 10:17 PM

I don't know. I like Jean and I think she is cool, but I really disliked how she was handled in the 90's toon. I got annoyed with how syrupy and angsty her relationship is with Scott. She should just hook up with Logan already and get it over with. It might make her character more interesting.

I like the concept of her character as a telepath and how her powers work, but in the orginal 90's cartoon but I thought they made her too weak, compared to the power houses of Rogue and Storm, who could hold their own better. She was always getting thrown around or nearly killed that would cause Cyclops to go "JEEEEAAAAAANNNN!" which got old real fast. The only time she got interesting, I agree was when she became Pheonix.

I think the writers, of the comic need to make Jean more 3D and less PERFECT, because it makes her less relatable.

ANd I don't get the whole Emma, Scott, Jean love triangle, when Jean died (again

) didn't she telepathically manipulate Scott's mind to fall in love Emma Frost, so that he would "have a reason to live." Why is she upset if he did just that and is/was having a psychic affair with Emma?

I know after everything I just write it seems like I don't like Jean Grey, but I actually do really like her character. I just get annoyed at how she's handled at times.

*TheCanadiandrome* · 08-27-2010, 01:49 PM

my vote goes to Jean Grey simply cause i don't know much about Emma Frost other than what i saw of her in an episode of 'Wolverine & The X-men.'

perhaps i shall find some more episodes of that show and get a better idea of Emma Frost, or i could start to read more comics, lol!

Jelly Bean · 09-24-2010, 02:58 PM

I'm going to go with Jean Grey. I have always liked her. I have nothing against Emma but why is it that bitchy characters get more respect than nice ones. I understand why people may dislike Jean but some people try to make it out like nice or noble=2D.

Also the pheonix thing. Is the Pheonic apart of Jean or is it a seperet entity? This has always confused me.

**Venom** · 09-24-2010, 11:01 PM

It's a bit of both, if that makes any sense.

Here:http://marvel.com/universe/Phoenix_(Jean_Grey))

*Candy Kappa* · 10-01-2010, 05:42 AM

none pf them, Punk Storm for the win

Toon · 10-01-2010, 01:21 PM

Jean Grey.

NameGoesHere1066 · 10-14-2010, 09:59 AM

Quote:

I have nothing against Emma but why is it that bitchy characters get more respect than nice ones. I understand why people may dislike Jean but some people try to make it out like nice or noble=2D.

because despite what television and books and other society controled media like to force feed you, most people aren't super sacrificing, noble, upstanding people.

Sure, it's an ideal. It's nice to aspire to be like that and to have people like that around you, but alot of people are flawed, selfish, often nasty individuals that sometimes do the right thing, but more often do whats in their best interest.

The super noble and straight laced characters just aren't very relatable and even kind of flat, unless there is some characteristic about them that makes them sympathatic or some duality to their personality. When you see a character that is sort of an asshole or a bitch, yeah they are going to get more attention than the super sweet girl next door because...I don't know something about it grabs people.

Personally I like Jean better than Emma but I even I will admit that Emma is a whole lot more interesting a character than Jean.

*Sage Ninja* · 01-20-2011, 11:13 AM

no offense but you have a pretty jaded out look there.

I can't believe that that Jean and Emma are neck and neck right now.

*Xav* · 02-08-2011, 09:26 PM

Both at the same time.

FlawedCoil82 · 02-12-2011, 10:59 PM

I am going to go with Jean. I have never been a big fan of Emma Frost, especially as a "heroine". I like her better as the White Queen. Plus I don't like blondes.

In all honesty, X-Men have lost me. I fell in love with the X-Men in the early 90's, when the team consisted of Professor X, Cyclops, Jean Grey, Rogue, Gambit, Storm, Wolverine, Bishop, Colossus, Iceman, Archangel, Beast, Jubilee, Psylocke, etc. In my eyes, that was the PERFECT, FLAWLESS version of the X-Men. I loved the chracters, the uniforms, the look, the villains (Omega Red, Mr. Sinister, Sabretooth, Apocalypse, etc.) everything was just utter perfection in my eyes. God Himself could not have designed a more amazing team of superheroes. Then Marvel Comics got insanely self-destructive: they changed the art style to ultra-cartoony stuff, changed their incredible uniforms into the boring, dull, uninteresting crap we got now, got rid of members, etc. Rogue is NOT Rogue unless she is wearing her green/yellow uniform with the brown jacket (and can still fly/has super strength). Anyone who tries to design a new "better" uniform for her will only continue to piss me off further, as it simply can not be done. And that goes for all the X-Men of the early 90's. People say "but the storylines are so much better today". However, if I can not find the X-Men visually appealing, then the best comic writers in the world can not save them. I read comics not only for the stories, but the visual portrayal as well (otherwise I'd just read pictureless novels). I will forever cherish the 90's version of the X-Men and forever mourn their loss from the comic books/cartoons/trading cards/action figures and the fact that I feel people have flat-out forgotten just how amazing they used to look. In the case of the X-Men, human beings and their undying, unmerciful need for "change" and for trying to fix what is not broken, was a far more evil and destructive force than any villain the X-Men ever faced.

*Slap-Happy* · 02-13-2011, 03:07 AM

British girls are cute. +1 Emma

But then again... Jean's a redhead.

.5 Emma
.5 Jean

*Donnie* · 02-14-2011, 06:27 PM

It's a toss up, but I would say I like Emma Frost better. I don't know why nobody likes Cyclops, but he's my favorite X-Man, and I like his chemistry with Emma better. She's pretty seductive looking, but it's cool that she doesn't really give in to anyone besides Scott. Jean, on the other hand, couldn't stay loyal to Scott. And that in my mind makes Jean the weaker character. Plus, Emma is totally hot.

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08-26-2010, 09:59 AM	#1
NameGoesHere1066 Stone Warrior Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: at home LOL Posts: 957	Emma Frost or Jean Grey? Emma and Jean have been at odds in the comics (not so much in the cartoons, except that time in Wolverine cartoon where Jean tied her up with steal girders). They are both powerful omega mutants with telepathy minds abilities and both have a thing for Cyclops (personaly I don't see why). But who do you prefer? Jean is great but she is sort of the den mother of the institute and all so noble, plus anyone with a penis seems to fall for her. Plus she keeps dying. Emma is a bitchy sarcastic catty girl who is always making digs at Jean and wants her husband, BUT I think she is a good character and can be funny. Jean isn't always interesting unless she is going all phoenix on your ass. But some how I kept help but like Jean. She's just cool, despite the Mary Sue-nness of her character. So who do you prefer __________________ ]

08-26-2010, 05:16 PM	#2
Jo Dawn Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Authority On All Things Don Posts: 5,190	Emma, all the way. I love Frost, and always have. The same way I've always loathed Jean. Plus, every time I see or read her name, I just hear Scott screaming 'JEEAAANNNNNNN!!' in my head. Emma's just cool. I like her no-nonsense, tell-it-like-it-is way about her. Plus, she's darn sexy to boot. I should break out my old Emma avatar I had here. I guess I always just disliked Jean always coming back to life, or being the den mother or being perfect or always having men all over her. She bores and annoys me. ...Plus, there's that Scott thing... (Which I also don't get... I also was never a fan of boy-scout Scott. So there ya go.) __________________

08-26-2010, 09:01 PM	#3
The Clerk Stone Warrior Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 818	As soon as I saw this topic title I thought of my sister, and her hatred for Jean. Then I just laughed. Anywho; Emma Frost FTW. I mean c'mon she was a teacher in Generation X! __________________

08-26-2010, 09:03 PM	#4
Jo Dawn Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Authority On All Things Don Posts: 5,190	I cannot believe your post didn't just read: JEEAAANNNN!!!! That's right. Gen X. I don't care what anyone says, I loved that comic. Plus, Emma with the kids was highly amusing. __________________

08-26-2010, 09:22 PM	#5
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,301	Rogue.....oh wait. Neither. But I know exactly what you're talking about. I work with a guy named Gene, and I often scream "GEEEENE!!!" alla Scott from the 90's X-men series. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

08-26-2010, 10:17 PM	#6
Sage Ninja Band of the Hawk Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: USA Posts: 3,926	I don't know. I like Jean and I think she is cool, but I really disliked how she was handled in the 90's toon. I got annoyed with how syrupy and angsty her relationship is with Scott. She should just hook up with Logan already and get it over with. It might make her character more interesting. I like the concept of her character as a telepath and how her powers work, but in the orginal 90's cartoon but I thought they made her too weak, compared to the power houses of Rogue and Storm, who could hold their own better. She was always getting thrown around or nearly killed that would cause Cyclops to go "JEEEEAAAAAANNNN!" which got old real fast. The only time she got interesting, I agree was when she became Pheonix. I think the writers, of the comic need to make Jean more 3D and less PERFECT, because it makes her less relatable. ANd I don't get the whole Emma, Scott, Jean love triangle, when Jean died (again ) didn't she telepathically manipulate Scott's mind to fall in love Emma Frost, so that he would "have a reason to live." Why is she upset if he did just that and is/was having a psychic affair with Emma? I know after everything I just write it seems like I don't like Jean Grey, but I actually do really like her character. I just get annoyed at how she's handled at times. __________________ Cassandra: You won't fight me, but will you fight--for him! Cassandra's Revenge ~Tangled the Series ________________________________ http://frankviola.org/2012/01/30/godsviewofawoman/ _______________________________ http://nox-artemis.tumblr.com/post/4...k-and-feminism

08-27-2010, 01:49 PM	#7
TheCanadiandrome Big, Bad & Bold Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Inside the Technodrome; Shredderville; Saskatchewan Posts: 19,719	my vote goes to Jean Grey simply cause i don't know much about Emma Frost other than what i saw of her in an episode of 'Wolverine & The X-men.' perhaps i shall find some more episodes of that show and get a better idea of Emma Frost, or i could start to read more comics, lol! __________________ Add me: PSN/XBL; Nintendo Network ID: BDS-3.1.6; Switch FC: SW-3378-5206-8020 TMNT Fan Club: http://sot.ag/4jZR0 Visit My Wish List: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=30904 My Collection: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=40276

09-24-2010, 11:01 PM	#9
Venom Space Knight Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,637	It's a bit of both, if that makes any sense. Here:http://marvel.com/universe/Phoenix_(Jean_Grey)) __________________

10-01-2010, 05:42 AM	#10
Candy Kappa The Agenda of Existing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vikingland Posts: 14,596	none pf them, Punk Storm for the win __________________ devianArt Instagram Youtube Tumblr Art Blog Patreon

10-01-2010, 01:21 PM	#11
Toon Official TMNT Staff/Cast Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 81	Jean Grey.

01-20-2011, 11:13 AM	#13
Sage Ninja Band of the Hawk Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: USA Posts: 3,926	no offense but you have a pretty jaded out look there. I can't believe that that Jean and Emma are neck and neck right now. __________________ Cassandra: You won't fight me, but will you fight--for him! Cassandra's Revenge ~Tangled the Series ________________________________ http://frankviola.org/2012/01/30/godsviewofawoman/ _______________________________ http://nox-artemis.tumblr.com/post/4...k-and-feminism

02-08-2011, 09:26 PM	#14
Xav Foot Elite Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 3,045	Both at the same time.

02-12-2011, 10:59 PM	#15
FlawedCoil82 Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 523	I am going to go with Jean. I have never been a big fan of Emma Frost, especially as a "heroine". I like her better as the White Queen. Plus I don't like blondes. In all honesty, X-Men have lost me. I fell in love with the X-Men in the early 90's, when the team consisted of Professor X, Cyclops, Jean Grey, Rogue, Gambit, Storm, Wolverine, Bishop, Colossus, Iceman, Archangel, Beast, Jubilee, Psylocke, etc. In my eyes, that was the PERFECT, FLAWLESS version of the X-Men. I loved the chracters, the uniforms, the look, the villains (Omega Red, Mr. Sinister, Sabretooth, Apocalypse, etc.) everything was just utter perfection in my eyes. God Himself could not have designed a more amazing team of superheroes. Then Marvel Comics got insanely self-destructive: they changed the art style to ultra-cartoony stuff, changed their incredible uniforms into the boring, dull, uninteresting crap we got now, got rid of members, etc. Rogue is NOT Rogue unless she is wearing her green/yellow uniform with the brown jacket (and can still fly/has super strength). Anyone who tries to design a new "better" uniform for her will only continue to piss me off further, as it simply can not be done. And that goes for all the X-Men of the early 90's. People say "but the storylines are so much better today". However, if I can not find the X-Men visually appealing, then the best comic writers in the world can not save them. I read comics not only for the stories, but the visual portrayal as well (otherwise I'd just read pictureless novels). I will forever cherish the 90's version of the X-Men and forever mourn their loss from the comic books/cartoons/trading cards/action figures and the fact that I feel people have flat-out forgotten just how amazing they used to look. In the case of the X-Men, human beings and their undying, unmerciful need for "change" and for trying to fix what is not broken, was a far more evil and destructive force than any villain the X-Men ever faced. Last edited by FlawedCoil82; 02-12-2011 at 11:05 PM.

02-13-2011, 03:07 AM	#16
Slap-Happy Bad Boy Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,911	British girls are cute. +1 Emma But then again... Jean's a redhead. .5 Emma .5 Jean

02-14-2011, 06:27 PM	#17
Donnie Something from the Past Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: New York Posts: 3,256	It's a toss up, but I would say I like Emma Frost better. I don't know why nobody likes Cyclops, but he's my favorite X-Man, and I like his chemistry with Emma better. She's pretty seductive looking, but it's cool that she doesn't really give in to anyone besides Scott. Jean, on the other hand, couldn't stay loyal to Scott. And that in my mind makes Jean the weaker character. Plus, Emma is totally hot.