Am I the only person who doesn't really like the OT any more?

~~blockhead~~ · 12-11-2010, 07:18 PM

The OT is what got me into turtles as a kid. I saw it first and got the toys and the first 2 movies. I love the mirage comics now and the first move, second is decent. But rewatching the OT, I found it pretty painful to watch. All the episodes are pretty predictable, the turtles hardly ever use their weapons, shredder is incompetent. I don't really enjoy but a few episodes of it any more (mainly the first 5 ep mini series.) Anyone else like this? To me the turtles are the mirage comics and the OT is a bastardization of the comics. I like the 2k3 cartoon a lot more, but all the "shell" puns are unbearable and mikey is annoying. The mirage comics are awesome though and some of the archie ones are cool. I really like the toys (neca and playmates too) but the OT just seems like it has aged poorly to me.

*Samhain* · 12-11-2010, 07:25 PM

Well, I think alot of us like the OT strictly for the nostalgia. As for me, while the Mirage TMNT are my favorite I can enjoy the 80s toon for what it is. A kids cartoon. A classic 90s toon. Not a masterpiece by any means but I still enjoy it.

You dont enjoy it anymore because you are older now and you prefer a little bit more mature content. But dont forget, while the Mirage turtles were first, it its because of the toon you are on this forum right now.

~~blockhead~~ · 12-11-2010, 07:31 PM

Yeah I agree with you man, the toon brought me to the forum and to the mirage turtles i love so much. I do like it some what for nostalgia, especially the theme song. It just gets a little too repetitive for me now. I kind of wish I hadn't watched it again as an adult cause I remembered it being a lot better. Not that it doesn't have good aspects. I'm not trying to bash the original toon by any means, I was just dissapointed that I can't enjoy it like I used to.

raphfan84 · 12-11-2010, 08:28 PM

I don't know many people who don't like the OT. I love the old toons, I was born in 1984 and the OT is what I grew up on and when I think of TMNT the OT is what comes to mind first. Even though I am 26 now I still love the OT I have almost all the seasons on dvd and I can sit down with my daughter and watch them and watch her enjoy it knowing the content of the cartoon is fine for her age. Everyone is titled to there opinions but rather you like the OT or not it will always be a part of TMNT as long as there around.

nwafreak · 12-11-2010, 08:48 PM

I still absolutely love the original cartoon! For many of us, its how our love for the tmnt first started. I still can't get enough of the classic hero-villain action. In fact, I wish we could all get together each weekend with munchies & coffee for an old toon marathon! Pure Awesomeness.

~~blockhead~~ · 12-11-2010, 09:19 PM

That would definitely be fun to hang out with a bunch of other TMNT enthusiasts and watch the OT/the first two movies/the 2k3 series any of that stuff.

*Eiko* · 12-11-2010, 09:24 PM

I still love the ot i grew up with it as most of us here have. I watch it with my kids now and they love it.

~~blockhead~~ · 12-11-2010, 09:25 PM

Even though I grew up with it I find it a little repetitive. I don't like how raph is just a smart ass instead of angry and rebellious. I don't like the lack of violence. It's good in it's own right, but doesn't hold a candle to the comics.

*sdp* · 12-11-2010, 09:41 PM

I like the OT and not because of nostalgia. While I did watch the OT as a kid, I really don't remember much of it at all, I may have been too young and it stopped airing when I got older, most of my TMNT childhood came from the toys and videogames. So when as I watched the OT DVDs I don't think I'm blinded by nostalgia and I really enjoy the show and definitely don't consider it inferior to the 2k3 show, just different. The show is just more fun and the lightheartedness works for it, I also don't consider the bad guys as incompetent as you the fandom some times makes them out to be as I watch other cartoons from that era they had far more incompetent villains while those shows were set in more serious universes.

As I've been watching the 2k3 show for basically the first time I've also realized the 2k3 is not as awesome as I used to think it was from what I had seen. It can get a bit flat and kinda drags. Its definitely missing more fun elements on the show, the comedy is just very childish and fails most of the time and its not serious enough to make up for the lack of comedy, so it doesn't really balance both really well and the show hurts because of it. Its still an awesome show don't get me wrong but I used to have much higher opinion on it when I had only watched a part of it and my opinion of the OT definitely grew. As far as Archie I think its way overrated, having never read any comics as a kid and was told how awesome they were I was very disappointed by them, they aren't bad but they are far from the best interpretation of the turtles. I understand why people like them though, they read them as kids and it was the turtles they loved but on a more serious setting.

psyrusly · 12-11-2010, 09:48 PM

Me too here.Introduced by OT,fav Mirage Comics,like 2k3.To me,2k3 is kinda like a fusion of OT and Mirage(Mixture of updated designs with slightly altered Mirage line story)It's nice that at the end of the day fans with different taste can enjoy different version of material from the multiverse.

*CyberCubed* · 12-11-2010, 10:09 PM

The original series works best when you think of it as a screwball comedy, which is what it was.

The entire cast made fun of themselves and knew the craziness of the show in general, and that's what made it fun. The show never took itself too seriously, (until the last few seasons), and just had a wild ride.

I'm in my 20's now and I still find the old toon fun when I watch the DVDs. Its just a show to turn your brain off and have fun with.

It was never intended to be anything more than an entertaining children's cartoon.

~~blockhead~~ · 12-11-2010, 10:22 PM

okay you guys tell me what you think the best episode is and i'll watch it right now

**Jester** · 12-11-2010, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blockhead

okay you guys tell me what you think the best episode is and i'll watch it right now

Legend of Koji.

Avatar Yuffie · 12-12-2010, 02:38 AM

To be fair, media watchdogs are a lot tighter back then than now. I mean would 10 year old Ben Tennyson get kicked and punched in his cartoon if it was aired in the 80's? I really doubt it. Even the first live action TMNT movie made the "grown ups" put up such a ruckus the Turtles never used their weapons in the sequel.

I treat the OT and NT cartoons as different entities. I don't treat the other as "better" because in the end, they're both cartoons geared at different audiences of a different era with different directions. Sometimes I wanna watch OT Raphael make such a witty retort to the silliness of their adventures as much as watching NT Raphael kick butt because he's such a badass. I kinda contest with the "NT are faithful with Mirage" disclaimer (because honestly, if that had been the case April's should be a drawing and Splinter drops dead by season 4) simply because I see the NT as different from Mirage as the OT did.

I like them both. I was kinda sad with 2K3 TMNT dragged with the narration after season 3, and wish it didn't have to undergo retools, but it was fine as itself nonetheless.

Also... there's a feeling of weirdness when re-watching the OT and see them reference the World Trade Center or April threatening to blow up the Channel 6 building just so her boss can give her his permission for a tv crew (though Shredder DID blow up Channel 6 much later in the Red Sky seasons) or a space ship used to ram a bunker in a slave camp. Recent cartoons would definitely won't dare show that, I'm sure. It was a different time, back then...

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 12-12-2010, 05:07 AM

I think a lot of people have became more interested in other TMNT works throughout the years.

cryan · 12-12-2010, 07:02 AM

With the old toon.Put your brain in another romm and enjoy.The series began when is was about 12 at the time.So,yeah I was there at the beginning of the craze.Though I wasn't into it as much in reguards to the figures and what not but it was a fun escape.

technicalfoul · 12-12-2010, 08:15 AM

If you can accept the OT for being silly and having very little action, it's not a bad show. I prefer for it to be an action series which is why I prefer the 2003 show. The whole pizza thing in the OT gets really annoying too, which is why I really don't like OT Mike. I sometimes think every line of dialogue he has mentions pizza. The other turtles LIKE pizza, but it seems like Mike's entire character is based around it.

*gobo* · 12-12-2010, 12:55 PM

I appreciate the Original 'Toon for what it was, the partial-prequel to Archie's TMNT Adventures and prototype for 4Kids TMNT (among other things). But, I only really like the pilot season. I was just stricken with a lot of blind devotion as a child, and so I watched regularly, thinking every time, "it'll get non-embarassing again someday!" It came close from time to time (certain eps like "USAGI YOJIMBO"), but I never saw in any other ep what I appreciated about the first five.

*ToTheNines* · 12-12-2010, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by blockhead

okay you guys tell me what you think the best episode is and i'll watch it right now

I see you've been banned for some reason, but I'll answer anyways.

"Usagi Yojimbo"

Every episode of season 1

The "Big" 3-part finale for season 3 (well part 2 and 3 at least).

*Sage Ninja* · 12-12-2010, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines

I see you've been banned for some reason, but I'll answer anyways.

"Usagi Yojimbo"

Every episode of season 1

The "Big" 3-part finale for season 3 (well part 2 and 3 at least).

I concur. I'll even chime in and say most of season seven of the orginal series as well/ And for the record, am a gal in her twenties who still to this day enjoys her OT turtle series, and not just for the nostalgia.

12-11-2010, 07:18 PM	#1
~~blockhead~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 99	Am I the only person who doesn't really like the OT any more? The OT is what got me into turtles as a kid. I saw it first and got the toys and the first 2 movies. I love the mirage comics now and the first move, second is decent. But rewatching the OT, I found it pretty painful to watch. All the episodes are pretty predictable, the turtles hardly ever use their weapons, shredder is incompetent. I don't really enjoy but a few episodes of it any more (mainly the first 5 ep mini series.) Anyone else like this? To me the turtles are the mirage comics and the OT is a bastardization of the comics. I like the 2k3 cartoon a lot more, but all the "shell" puns are unbearable and mikey is annoying. The mirage comics are awesome though and some of the archie ones are cool. I really like the toys (neca and playmates too) but the OT just seems like it has aged poorly to me.

12-11-2010, 09:24 PM	#7
Eiko Aussie and Proud Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Foot HQ Australia Posts: 1,816	I still love the ot i grew up with it as most of us here have. I watch it with my kids now and they love it. __________________

12-11-2010, 09:41 PM	#9
sdp Detoxed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tokio, Italy Posts: 11,203	I like the OT and not because of nostalgia. While I did watch the OT as a kid, I really don't remember much of it at all, I may have been too young and it stopped airing when I got older, most of my TMNT childhood came from the toys and videogames. So when as I watched the OT DVDs I don't think I'm blinded by nostalgia and I really enjoy the show and definitely don't consider it inferior to the 2k3 show, just different. The show is just more fun and the lightheartedness works for it, I also don't consider the bad guys as incompetent as you the fandom some times makes them out to be as I watch other cartoons from that era they had far more incompetent villains while those shows were set in more serious universes. As I've been watching the 2k3 show for basically the first time I've also realized the 2k3 is not as awesome as I used to think it was from what I had seen. It can get a bit flat and kinda drags. Its definitely missing more fun elements on the show, the comedy is just very childish and fails most of the time and its not serious enough to make up for the lack of comedy, so it doesn't really balance both really well and the show hurts because of it. Its still an awesome show don't get me wrong but I used to have much higher opinion on it when I had only watched a part of it and my opinion of the OT definitely grew. As far as Archie I think its way overrated, having never read any comics as a kid and was told how awesome they were I was very disappointed by them, they aren't bad but they are far from the best interpretation of the turtles. I understand why people like them though, they read them as kids and it was the turtles they loved but on a more serious setting. __________________ *Trapt* *urself Page MiscRave!!!* Click to join The Drome Discord server

12-12-2010, 02:38 AM	#14
Avatar Yuffie Stone Warrior Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 805	To be fair, media watchdogs are a lot tighter back then than now. I mean would 10 year old Ben Tennyson get kicked and punched in his cartoon if it was aired in the 80's? I really doubt it. Even the first live action TMNT movie made the "grown ups" put up such a ruckus the Turtles never used their weapons in the sequel. I treat the OT and NT cartoons as different entities. I don't treat the other as "better" because in the end, they're both cartoons geared at different audiences of a different era with different directions. Sometimes I wanna watch OT Raphael make such a witty retort to the silliness of their adventures as much as watching NT Raphael kick butt because he's such a badass. I kinda contest with the "NT are faithful with Mirage" disclaimer (because honestly, if that had been the case April's should be a drawing and Splinter drops dead by season 4) simply because I see the NT as different from Mirage as the OT did. I like them both. I was kinda sad with 2K3 TMNT dragged with the narration after season 3, and wish it didn't have to undergo retools, but it was fine as itself nonetheless. Also... there's a feeling of weirdness when re-watching the OT and see them reference the World Trade Center or April threatening to blow up the Channel 6 building just so her boss can give her his permission for a tv crew (though Shredder DID blow up Channel 6 much later in the Red Sky seasons) or a space ship used to ram a bunker in a slave camp. Recent cartoons would definitely won't dare show that, I'm sure. It was a different time, back then... __________________ We all know that Most Writers Are Male. Something like eighty percent of media aimed at children have male main characters, whereas half the population is female. At best, women will often be minor characters or will not be present at all. Stories about women are for women, stories about men are for general consumption. (TV Tropes Feminist Fantasy) Last edited by Avatar Yuffie; 12-12-2010 at 06:27 AM.

12-12-2010, 05:07 AM	#15
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan Overlord Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 10,481	Tmnt I think a lot of people have became more interested in other TMNT works throughout the years.

12-11-2010, 07:25 PM	#2
Samhain Dare To Be Stupid! Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: 1313 Mockingbird Lane Posts: 4,752	Well, I think alot of us like the OT strictly for the nostalgia. As for me, while the Mirage TMNT are my favorite I can enjoy the 80s toon for what it is. A kids cartoon. A classic 90s toon. Not a masterpiece by any means but I still enjoy it. You dont enjoy it anymore because you are older now and you prefer a little bit more mature content. But dont forget, while the Mirage turtles were first, it its because of the toon you are on this forum right now.

12-11-2010, 07:31 PM	#3
~~blockhead~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 99	Yeah I agree with you man, the toon brought me to the forum and to the mirage turtles i love so much. I do like it some what for nostalgia, especially the theme song. It just gets a little too repetitive for me now. I kind of wish I hadn't watched it again as an adult cause I remembered it being a lot better. Not that it doesn't have good aspects. I'm not trying to bash the original toon by any means, I was just dissapointed that I can't enjoy it like I used to.

12-11-2010, 08:28 PM	#4
raphfan84 Stone Warrior Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Winston-Salem NC. Posts: 630	I don't know many people who don't like the OT. I love the old toons, I was born in 1984 and the OT is what I grew up on and when I think of TMNT the OT is what comes to mind first. Even though I am 26 now I still love the OT I have almost all the seasons on dvd and I can sit down with my daughter and watch them and watch her enjoy it knowing the content of the cartoon is fine for her age. Everyone is titled to there opinions but rather you like the OT or not it will always be a part of TMNT as long as there around.

12-11-2010, 08:48 PM	#5
nwafreak Random Punk Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Lots of different places. Posts: 15	I still absolutely love the original cartoon! For many of us, its how our love for the tmnt first started. I still can't get enough of the classic hero-villain action. In fact, I wish we could all get together each weekend with munchies & coffee for an old toon marathon! Pure Awesomeness.

12-11-2010, 09:19 PM	#6
~~blockhead~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 99	That would definitely be fun to hang out with a bunch of other TMNT enthusiasts and watch the OT/the first two movies/the 2k3 series any of that stuff.

12-11-2010, 09:25 PM	#8
~~blockhead~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 99	Even though I grew up with it I find it a little repetitive. I don't like how raph is just a smart ass instead of angry and rebellious. I don't like the lack of violence. It's good in it's own right, but doesn't hold a candle to the comics.

12-11-2010, 09:48 PM	#10
psyrusly Foot Soldier Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 130	Me too here.Introduced by OT,fav Mirage Comics,like 2k3.To me,2k3 is kinda like a fusion of OT and Mirage(Mixture of updated designs with slightly altered Mirage line story)It's nice that at the end of the day fans with different taste can enjoy different version of material from the multiverse.

12-11-2010, 10:09 PM	#11
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,841	The original series works best when you think of it as a screwball comedy, which is what it was. The entire cast made fun of themselves and knew the craziness of the show in general, and that's what made it fun. The show never took itself too seriously, (until the last few seasons), and just had a wild ride. I'm in my 20's now and I still find the old toon fun when I watch the DVDs. Its just a show to turn your brain off and have fun with. It was never intended to be anything more than an entertaining children's cartoon.

12-11-2010, 10:22 PM	#12
~~blockhead~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 99	okay you guys tell me what you think the best episode is and i'll watch it right now

12-12-2010, 07:02 AM	#16
cryan Stone Warrior Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Athens,AL Posts: 743	With the old toon.Put your brain in another romm and enjoy.The series began when is was about 12 at the time.So,yeah I was there at the beginning of the craze.Though I wasn't into it as much in reguards to the figures and what not but it was a fun escape.

12-12-2010, 08:15 AM	#17
technicalfoul Random Punk Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Guelph, Ontario, Canada Posts: 49	If you can accept the OT for being silly and having very little action, it's not a bad show. I prefer for it to be an action series which is why I prefer the 2003 show. The whole pizza thing in the OT gets really annoying too, which is why I really don't like OT Mike. I sometimes think every line of dialogue he has mentions pizza. The other turtles LIKE pizza, but it seems like Mike's entire character is based around it.

12-12-2010, 12:55 PM	#18
gobo Wacky Action Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: on Earth Posts: 12,784	I appreciate the Original 'Toon for what it was, the partial-prequel to Archie's TMNT Adventures and prototype for 4Kids TMNT (among other things). But, I only really like the pilot season. I was just stricken with a lot of blind devotion as a child, and so I watched regularly, thinking every time, "it'll get non-embarassing again someday!" It came close from time to time (certain eps like "USAGI YOJIMBO"), but I never saw in any other ep what I appreciated about the first five. __________________ Live and let live... or go to hell.