Laird Vs. Eastman

Lone Wolf · 04-10-2003, 07:43 PM

New to the board... hey everyone.

Anyways, anyone know what differences Laird and Eastman have that prevents them from working on TMNT together? Eastman said in his interview with Ninja Turtles Network that they had different "visions" for the Turtles. Any links or input would be appreciated.

And anyone know where I could upload a small avatar pic so that I can use it instead of this pre-fabricated built in one? Thanks.

Apple Cat · 04-10-2003, 07:49 PM

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*Tetsu Deinonychus* · 04-10-2003, 07:51 PM

I think Eastman was tired of the Turtles and wanted to concentrate on "Heavy Metal". He was also probably tired of being the "Turtle guy" and, didn't want to be a "one-trick-pony".
Meanwhile Laird still loves the TMNT and doesn't mind his association with them.
I think that's it.

*Duke* · 04-10-2003, 07:51 PM

That thread explains it better than i can. But Welcome to the boards anyway.

*Roseangelo* · 04-11-2003, 12:27 AM

Yes, that thread explains everything.

But I really want to emphasize that Kevin still loves the TMNT, too. He spends a lot of his time at Comic-Con every year happily drawing and talking TMNT to people. And last year he published his Artobiography book, which is all TMNT.

SavantiRomero · 04-11-2003, 02:02 AM

Yeah Kevin hasn't copped out on the TMNT as some people might put it. He never truley intended to stay with that project. When they created the TMNT it was to get them started into comics.

Neither knew what would come.

Kevin still does things, as mentioned above, like being at Comic Con International in San Diego each year, granted with the Heavy Metal Booth. But he also tried to get the live action show going with NT:TNM. He also had the Words and Pictures Museum.

You just have to keep in mind that both are artists, and both have different styles. It's the combination of the two that created the TMNT. But it's the seperation that allow the TMNT to evolve. At least that's how I try to look at it

As to the other thread linked above, Kevin didn't do NT:TNM for the money, he did it to "TRY" something with the turtles. Which at the time was MORE than anyone could have asked. FOX required the presence of the female turtle, not kevin, but Kevin did have fun designing and watching the show mature. Laird didn't want the show to go at all because of the one simple addition of a female turtle.

Laird wants to keep TMNT to their original form. Kevin wanted to try new things. Laird is playing it safe, while Kevin was willing to take risks.

The way it all happened I almost think that Laird and Eastman had made a pact that if the show failed (which it actually didn't, it DID have the highest ratings until Fox pulled the plug) that Kevin would back off and sell his rights to Laird.

I also don't agree with the post that "all" the fans didn't like the show. While there were things I didn't particularly like, I did like the show overall.

We won't know for sure what happened unless either Eastman or Laird tell us, and we won't know what's going on in Eastman's mind unless he tells us.

**GK Punk** · 04-11-2003, 02:10 AM

Well put Savanti, well put.

Oh yeah, HI TO THE NEWBIE!

**Karpo_007** · 04-11-2003, 08:11 AM

That is not right... Venus is not by far the reason why next mutation is bad. Just one of the many.

They haven't been able to do a good live action TMNT after the first movie, but it seems that the Hallmark miniseries will be what we have been waiting for so long.

*J Legault* · 04-12-2003, 09:32 PM

The Laird Cop in Things Change seem to know more than Rookie Eastman.

~~Tokka-B~~ · 04-12-2003, 09:45 PM

This is so funny, how many of these which is better topics will be here?

*Eye of Sarnath* · 04-12-2003, 10:46 PM

About ten or twenty more, I reckon.

*starts trying to think up the stupidest possible 'which is better' topic*

**HorseTechie** · 04-14-2003, 11:38 AM

And I'm starting to wonder how many "Eastman and Laird" threads there will be. It's like we're going to have to add the whole "Why Eastman is in CA working on Heavymetal" story to the FAQ list next!

*Roseangelo* · 04-14-2003, 12:05 PM

Actually, I'd say that sounds like a good idea.

Krangfan · 04-14-2003, 01:38 PM

which one of them had the idea for the original toon? Or was it not their choice?

**Karpo_007** · 04-14-2003, 02:29 PM

I think their new licensing agent[Too lazy to check the name] Sold the license to playmates, who produced the 5 episode miniseries and toys.

*Roseangelo* · 04-14-2003, 05:15 PM

Mark Freedman

**Karpo_007** · 04-15-2003, 06:57 AM

Ahh thats it.

*heretic888* · 04-15-2003, 11:45 AM

whoever said Laird isnt tryng new things isnt quite right.

there have been some major changes in the new TMNT comic series under Mirage.

04-10-2003, 07:43 PM	#1
Lone Wolf Foot Soldier Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 160	Laird Vs. Eastman New to the board... hey everyone. Anyways, anyone know what differences Laird and Eastman have that prevents them from working on TMNT together? Eastman said in his interview with Ninja Turtles Network that they had different "visions" for the Turtles. Any links or input would be appreciated. And anyone know where I could upload a small avatar pic so that I can use it instead of this pre-fabricated built in one? Thanks. __________________ "You may destroy me... but I will not live in fear!"

04-10-2003, 07:49 PM	#2
Apple Cat Stone Warrior Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 528	---delete this Last edited by Apple Cat; 10-19-2008 at 06:56 AM.

04-10-2003, 07:51 PM	#3
Tetsu Deinonychus The Iron Dinosaur Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Studio Snowlion HQ Posts: 3,021	I think Eastman was tired of the Turtles and wanted to concentrate on "Heavy Metal". He was also probably tired of being the "Turtle guy" and, didn't want to be a "one-trick-pony". Meanwhile Laird still loves the TMNT and doesn't mind his association with them. I think that's it. __________________ (Image hosting by Postimage.org) And here's a list of all my old wacky threads!

04-11-2003, 12:27 AM	#5
Roseangelo Emperor Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: California Posts: 9,117	Yes, that thread explains everything. But I really want to emphasize that Kevin still loves the TMNT, too. He spends a lot of his time at Comic-Con every year happily drawing and talking TMNT to people. And last year he published his Artobiography book, which is all TMNT. __________________ www.ninjapizza.net www.colorsbyrosemary.com

04-12-2003, 09:32 PM	#9
J Legault Mad Scientist Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: West Coast Posts: 2,054	The Laird Cop in Things Change seem to know more than Rookie Eastman. __________________ I am a fan of TMNT and I'm still one today. I got into the habbit back in 1992 or 93' when I was little. I would like to thank my 2 year older cousin for getting me in the habbit. 2001 was when I revised my knowledge on TMNT. And today I'm a bigger fan than I was years ago. I have all 3 TMNT Movies, current Toon, and old school Toon on DVD.

04-10-2003, 07:51 PM	#4
Duke Mad Scientist Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,913	That thread explains it better than i can. But Welcome to the boards anyway.

04-11-2003, 02:02 AM	#6
SavantiRomero Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 277	Yeah Kevin hasn't copped out on the TMNT as some people might put it. He never truley intended to stay with that project. When they created the TMNT it was to get them started into comics. Neither knew what would come. Kevin still does things, as mentioned above, like being at Comic Con International in San Diego each year, granted with the Heavy Metal Booth. But he also tried to get the live action show going with NT:TNM. He also had the Words and Pictures Museum. You just have to keep in mind that both are artists, and both have different styles. It's the combination of the two that created the TMNT. But it's the seperation that allow the TMNT to evolve. At least that's how I try to look at it As to the other thread linked above, Kevin didn't do NT:TNM for the money, he did it to "TRY" something with the turtles. Which at the time was MORE than anyone could have asked. FOX required the presence of the female turtle, not kevin, but Kevin did have fun designing and watching the show mature. Laird didn't want the show to go at all because of the one simple addition of a female turtle. Laird wants to keep TMNT to their original form. Kevin wanted to try new things. Laird is playing it safe, while Kevin was willing to take risks. The way it all happened I almost think that Laird and Eastman had made a pact that if the show failed (which it actually didn't, it DID have the highest ratings until Fox pulled the plug) that Kevin would back off and sell his rights to Laird. I also don't agree with the post that "all" the fans didn't like the show. While there were things I didn't particularly like, I did like the show overall. We won't know for sure what happened unless either Eastman or Laird tell us, and we won't know what's going on in Eastman's mind unless he tells us.

04-11-2003, 02:10 AM	#7
GK Punk I'm your Devil Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,439	Well put Savanti, well put. Oh yeah, HI TO THE NEWBIE!

04-11-2003, 08:11 AM	#8
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	That is not right... Venus is not by far the reason why next mutation is bad. Just one of the many. They haven't been able to do a good live action TMNT after the first movie, but it seems that the Hallmark miniseries will be what we have been waiting for so long.

04-12-2003, 09:45 PM	#10
~~Tokka-B~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Lost Sewer Posts: 1,829	This is so funny, how many of these which is better topics will be here?

04-12-2003, 10:46 PM	#11
Eye of Sarnath Mad Scientist Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: NY Posts: 1,590	About ten or twenty more, I reckon. starts trying to think up the stupidest possible 'which is better' topic __________________ "When I was real small I heard about this thing called the decline of civilization... and I decided that it was something I would like to become involved in." -George Carlin

04-14-2003, 11:38 AM	#12
HorseTechie Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Midwest Posts: 5,677	And I'm starting to wonder how many "Eastman and Laird" threads there will be. It's like we're going to have to add the whole "Why Eastman is in CA working on Heavymetal" story to the FAQ list next!

04-14-2003, 12:05 PM	#13
Roseangelo Emperor Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: California Posts: 9,117	Actually, I'd say that sounds like a good idea. __________________ www.ninjapizza.net www.colorsbyrosemary.com

04-14-2003, 01:38 PM	#14
Krangfan Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: In a house Posts: 434	which one of them had the idea for the original toon? Or was it not their choice? __________________ "Home is where you hang your hat" -Krang's favorite phrase Krang owns!

04-14-2003, 02:29 PM	#15
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	I think their new licensing agent[Too lazy to check the name] Sold the license to playmates, who produced the 5 episode miniseries and toys.

04-14-2003, 05:15 PM	#16
Roseangelo Emperor Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: California Posts: 9,117	Mark Freedman __________________ www.ninjapizza.net www.colorsbyrosemary.com

04-15-2003, 06:57 AM	#17
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Ahh thats it.

04-15-2003, 11:45 AM	#18
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	hmmm whoever said Laird isnt tryng new things isnt quite right. there have been some major changes in the new TMNT comic series under Mirage. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)