NHL

tmnt2513 · 04-17-2003, 12:17 AM

Hello, I was just wondering if there was any hockey fans here at he-man.org? I just wanted to drop a line about my favorite team and who I'm feeling a little down about right now. The Detroit Redwings... although unfortunatly they went out in the first round against the Ducks...I'm very proud of what this team has accomplished over the years..and they are to me...the best team ever...I'm down now...but I really believe in the saying .."you can't win all the time"...and that's the truth...I felt they played very well (the wings)...but that alot of luck was riding on the Ducks side and that there goaltender was running hot. So is it unfortunate that there already out?..well obviously...will I sleep tonight?...probably not as well as I normally do...but will the Wings come back to win again...your damn right. If you look at teams in the past that have either reached the finals or won the playoffs...the next year they didn't even make the playoffs...this happened to NYR, Dallas and NJ...and that's all I can think of within the last 10 years or so...but I bet there's probably more... but atleast the Wings did what they did this season and that they atleast made the playoffs...so what no parade next year...just gives me more time to plan for one...next year.
Go Wings!!! -Lance -

*Tetsu Deinonychus* · 04-17-2003, 12:35 AM

WOW!
All I know about Hockey is that the object of the game is to hit the goalie in the neck with the puck.

**GK Punk** · 04-17-2003, 12:50 AM

actually, this isn't He-Man.org, but that's ok

I also like the Red Wings, the Sharks and the Rangers... I haven't checked the scores lately, seems like all the teams I like have a bad habbit of losing anymore... Damn you Gretzky!

Peanut · 04-17-2003, 02:18 PM

The NHL is the best sport around. Nothing can compare especially basketball. Booooooooooooring! BTW LOL to GK. Detroit just got swept out of the playoffs last night by the Mighty Ducks who almost missed the playoffs. The Sharks and Rangers never even MADE the playoffs.

Peanut · 04-17-2003, 02:21 PM

Oh yeah BTW. HAHAHAHAHAHA to all the Wing fans! Joseph dropped the Leafs to join Detroit and now he's already playing golf! If you can't win one game against the ducks with that great Detroit defense....whew....you need some MEGA help. Maybe the old loser should retire.

*Mr. Snackpants* · 04-17-2003, 07:08 PM

3 outta 7 aint bad

SlayerX · 04-17-2003, 07:40 PM

Haha. The Red Wings go and spend millions of dollars, and don't even make it past the first round

And the lasttime someone knocked a defending stanley cup champion team out first round was like 51 years ago

But I felt bad when I saw some interview thing and CuJo started crying

But whatever, there's always next season

Who you guys WANT to win, and who do you THINK will win. I want Colorado or Toronto to win, and I think that either Ottawa or Dallas will win

**GK Punk** · 04-18-2003, 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michaelangelo

The NHL is the best sport around. Nothing can compare especially basketball. Booooooooooooring! BTW LOL to GK. Detroit just got swept out of the playoffs last night by the Mighty Ducks who almost missed the playoffs. The Sharks and Rangers never even MADE the playoffs.

Lol I know, it's so sad.. Call me a sucker I guess... I started as a Rangers fan when the Great One was still there, but the Sharks are kind of a home town thing scince I am from the same area.. You just gotta root them on right?

and poor redwings... poor poor redwings

tmnt2513 · 04-18-2003, 06:37 AM

I know your not really a hockey fan....but still if you had watched any of the games...there was so much crap going on...if the refs could call the game the same way during the playoffs as they had during the season..maybe things would have been different...do you really honestly think that the Ducks were a "better" team?...I know everyone wants to chime in...well yeah they beat your team...lol..The Wings led the league almost all year long...they had people gunning at them everynight as if it were a finals game...(when your the defending champ...you have everyone coming at you game in..game out..at 110%) ..that type of schedule wears you down...besides the Wings have won the cup 3 out of 7 years...and people here in Detroit have set this incredibly high expectation for there hockey club...because Detroit couldn't put a puck past J.S.G, and because Cujo wasn't necessarily playing his best...doesn't mean the Ducks are better.....just that the ducks had a better goaltender for the playoffs this year...plenty of times a great team for some reason doesn't perform quite as well as they should and they land on there face..it happens all the time...hell it was either Dallas or N.J...that made it to the finals and won the cup and the next year didn't even make the play-offs ...yet they had a pretty damn good team...The ducks weren't a better team...they just had a hot goalie..and alot of luck...again count how many posts the Wings hit...and how many time J.S.G...stopped play for faulty equipment checks...(yeah that's against the rules) ...how many times were goals disallowed for the Wings?...yeah there ya go...next year....whew...next year...besides in the second round...the Ducks are going to get rocked...lol... yep! How many times has your (anyone that's making fun of Detroit) team won the cup in it's history? Yeah they spent millions of dollars not just to win...but to keep producing a Great team...and they do have a Great team...oh and the Best fans in all of the world...yeah that's why they call it Hockey town...even Gary Betman called it that...yeah the HOCKEY COMMISSIONER...say what you want canadian fans...but your just pissed that all "your" precious hockey clubs are getting sent to the south...yeah the Jets? Nordiques? ....

...Next year they'll win and that's fine...yeah I guess one of the best goalies in the last 10 years of hockey...is a LOSER...right? because he lost in the playoffs...yeah I guess only winning the stanley cup gives you the right to be a winner.....whatever that's a load of crap. 3 out of 7...yeah where's all your teams stats and odds at? You can't win all the time. I GUARANTEE they win it next year...I GUARANTEE.

-Go Wings!....sorry I'm a real die-hard hockey fan and can get pretty touchy about it...lol
- Lance

Peanut · 04-18-2003, 09:58 AM

I'm not a real hockey fan? If you're directing that comment at me you're completely wrong. I bleed Maple Leaf blue. I shaved my head into a mohawk and dyed it blue just for the Leafs. I WATCHED what I could of the Detroit Anahiem series, a little bit of all 4 games and most nights the entire game. I won't disagree that Detroit completley out played Anahiem in every aspect except for the most important part of the playoffs GOALTENDING! Jospeh couldn't win here and he won't win there. And don't say anything about the ref calls. Toronto is the only team in the NHL to be down 2 men 4 times in a game and then to have even more penalties called on them afterwards. The Wings/Ducks series was called well in my opinion. I may not have seen all of the calls or non-calls but I'm pretty sure that powerplays didn't break a team like Detroit. The Wings are a very VERY arrogant team and I think they got too cocky, they probably thought they'd walk right through the Ducks without a scratch. I'm glad they're out. This proves once and for all that high payrolls won't win the cup. Wing out in first round and Rangers didn't even make the playoffs.

SlayerX · 04-18-2003, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michaelangelo

I shaved my head into a mohawk and dyed it blue just for the Leafs.

Can I have your autograph mister McCabe?

TMNT, if they have such a great team, why did they get swept out? By the AMD none-the-less... Poor little Cujo, leaving the Leafs, and going to the red wings, and getting knocked out

Oh well, next year theyll do better, cuz theyll spend another 500k on players that wont do anything

[/b]

tmnt2513 · 04-18-2003, 05:39 PM

Yeah 3 out of 7 years right?... Payroll doesn't win playoffs?...recheck the payrolls of Colorado, and Dallas...okay? What about the Yankee's in baseball?...Oh yeah and the associate press out of Detroit and Cali said that the Ducks players during the hand shaking...told various players...we respect you guys highly and "we shouldn't had won this series" ....Thats the DUCKS SAYING THAT!!!...oh and Toronto guy...quit being so mad that you lost Cujo...he was like your marquee player and we stole him away...we'll come back stronger than ever next year....and the Wings arrogant?...hardly...We're a team of finesse and heritage...not just the highest scoring team in the league...but probably the best passing team in the league...while the Maple leafs...is a bunch of rough necks that can't cut it...even went out and brought in old Belfour - who couldn't handle Dallas anymore...yeah Tie Domi...great player...probably the biggest goon ever...I watched your series last year w/ Ottawa/New J...and so far this year's Philly series...you guys deserve every penalty you get ...goons....whew....Toronto is a dirty dirty team...atleast Detroit has class. Ottawa has your number this year...and the 3rd best Swede will be wondering what's going on...yeah that's your precious Sundin I'm talking about ...incase your wondering (#1 Lidstrom, #2 Forsberg...eerrr...actually Naslund is #3...oh well)

- Lance

SlayerX · 04-18-2003, 06:14 PM

They got class allright, class to get kicked out of the season, and let another team get TV time. Wow, you stole Cujo, and look what you did to him. Obviously Toronto was being held back when they had him, as THEY are the ones that have made it further than detroit with "old" belfour... you cant deny facts.

tmnt2513 · 04-18-2003, 06:51 PM

Actually the fact is...last year Toronto (w/Cujo) got to the Conference finals...and this year there still not past the first round as we speak...yeah..good theory there!

...oh and the fact is...the Wings 3 for 7...Toronto???... yeah great argument here...

..think before you speak...what type of progress did Toronto make last year and the year before?...where are they at right now?...still in the first round. NEXT YEAR...hopefully your club doesn't move down south also.

Don · 04-19-2003, 12:42 PM

Ottawa has the best chance at the cup: They've got great depth, offense, defence, goaltending,coaching, leadership, discipline and grit (all on one of the NHL's smallest payrolls). I've been a sens fan since they were formed 11 years ago, and after 7 years of early playoff exits I think we'll finally do some damage this year!

Peanut · 04-19-2003, 03:44 PM

Well obviously we're still in the first round! IT ISN'T OVER YET! At least we're going longer than 4 games and against a GOOD team not a team that scraped into the playoffs. You make no sense at all. Plus you can take Cujo and shove him. I never liked the whiny baby. Domi a goon eh? That's why he has 15 goals this season huh? More than both the Detroit "goons" Mccarty and Draper. Try to learn the hockey terms first before you use them. Face the facts that Detroit DID lose and YES it IS because they're arrogant! They make such beautiful passes through center ice and...oh no...the ducks pick them off. They took the Ducks lightly and now they're out!
BTW don the Sens aren't very gritty at all. If they faced ONE, good, constant checking team they'd have an injury list bigger than ours last year.

tmnt2513 · 04-21-2003, 09:51 PM

yeah Kris Draper...a goon...(what the hell?!?!)..yep your going to game 7...you know I'm half canadian and I actually like the leafs...but I want them to lose because of people like you... quite honestly you don't know very much about hockey...and I'm getting tired of discussing it with you...you have your opinion and I have mine...The Wings were arrogant....true...but then again to win 3 Cups within 7 years in this day and age is quite an achievement...don't worry I know that resentment is bred from jealousy...and that's fine... next year we'll take it... it's people like you that have all the fun in the world when your "team" is on top...but quite honestly your on the brink to...oh yeah and how would Toronto fair if it were still in the Western Conference????....yeah arrogant Detroit may be...perhaps cocky...but then again...when was the last time Toronto won the cup?....93?... hmmm...I hate the Flyers...but I really want to see them squash the Leafs....oh and Cujo had a better first round than Hasek had for us last year....as far as numbers go. So maybe you should take a look in the record books and relize that just because your from Canada...eh..(or is it "a")..doesn't mean that your the almighty hockey god... simply because we're seperated by a lake...and it takes me 30 minutes to drive to your "homeland" eh

Peanut · 04-21-2003, 10:42 PM

Ok there pal. I know plenty about hockey. PLENTY. I don't care if my teams on top or on the bottom. I'm NOT a bandwangoner. I admit I may have made a mistake calling Draper a goon. I also respect your opinion, but there is no need at all to take the stance on your opinions that you did. I wasn't trying to get offensive. I was trying to get a good conversation going about the NHL, but obviously you (like most Wings fans) don't want to hear anything except that your team is the best.

*R-iZZy* · 04-21-2003, 11:41 PM

I just wanna say that I'm going for

the LIGHTNING!!!!!

SlayerX · 04-22-2003, 06:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tmnt2513

Actually the fact is...last year Toronto (w/Cujo) got to the Conference finals...and this year there still not past the first round as we speak...yeah..good theory there!

...oh and the fact is...the Wings 3 for 7...Toronto???... yeah great argument here...

..think before you speak...what type of progress did Toronto make last year and the year before?...where are they at right now?...still in the first round. NEXT YEAR...hopefully your club doesn't move down south also.

Yea, unlike Detroit, we can last more than 4 games... And oh yea, the Wings 3 for 7, WOW! 3 years they won a cup! Thats great! Let's all throw a huge ass party becauase they won 3 cups in the last 3 years. Seriously, who cares? It is in the past! Noone cares about how many cups you won years ago, they care about cups you win now, and in the future. You ask what progress Toronto made last year and the year before? Who cares, they never won the cup so obviously not much. How much did Detroit make this year? And then you get all offensive and start dissing Canada lmao, you need to relax if you get this worked up over talking about hockey

04-17-2003, 07:40 PM	#7
SlayerX Stone Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 828	Haha. The Red Wings go and spend millions of dollars, and don't even make it past the first round And the lasttime someone knocked a defending stanley cup champion team out first round was like 51 years ago But I felt bad when I saw some interview thing and CuJo started crying But whatever, there's always next season Who you guys WANT to win, and who do you THINK will win. I want Colorado or Toronto to win, and I think that either Ottawa or Dallas will win __________________ Nexus Media \| AnXProduction \| Games \| DVDs DP Feedback \| eBay feedback \| Room of Doom

04-18-2003, 06:14 PM	#13
SlayerX Stone Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 828	They got class allright, class to get kicked out of the season, and let another team get TV time. Wow, you stole Cujo, and look what you did to him. Obviously Toronto was being held back when they had him, as THEY are the ones that have made it further than detroit with "old" belfour... you cant deny facts. __________________ Nexus Media \| AnXProduction \| Games \| DVDs DP Feedback \| eBay feedback \| Room of Doom

04-21-2003, 11:41 PM	#19
R-iZZy The Long Con Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: G'ville, FL (Gator Country), USA Posts: 3,007	I just wanna say that I'm going for the LIGHTNING!!!!! __________________

04-17-2003, 12:17 AM	#1
tmnt2513 Thug Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 77	NHL Hello, I was just wondering if there was any hockey fans here at he-man.org? I just wanted to drop a line about my favorite team and who I'm feeling a little down about right now. The Detroit Redwings... although unfortunatly they went out in the first round against the Ducks...I'm very proud of what this team has accomplished over the years..and they are to me...the best team ever...I'm down now...but I really believe in the saying .."you can't win all the time"...and that's the truth...I felt they played very well (the wings)...but that alot of luck was riding on the Ducks side and that there goaltender was running hot. So is it unfortunate that there already out?..well obviously...will I sleep tonight?...probably not as well as I normally do...but will the Wings come back to win again...your damn right. If you look at teams in the past that have either reached the finals or won the playoffs...the next year they didn't even make the playoffs...this happened to NYR, Dallas and NJ...and that's all I can think of within the last 10 years or so...but I bet there's probably more... but atleast the Wings did what they did this season and that they atleast made the playoffs...so what no parade next year...just gives me more time to plan for one...next year. Go Wings!!! -Lance -

04-17-2003, 12:35 AM	#2
Tetsu Deinonychus The Iron Dinosaur Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Studio Snowlion HQ Posts: 3,021	WOW! All I know about Hockey is that the object of the game is to hit the goalie in the neck with the puck. __________________ (Image hosting by Postimage.org) And here's a list of all my old wacky threads!

04-17-2003, 12:50 AM	#3
GK Punk I'm your Devil Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,439	actually, this isn't He-Man.org, but that's ok I also like the Red Wings, the Sharks and the Rangers... I haven't checked the scores lately, seems like all the teams I like have a bad habbit of losing anymore... Damn you Gretzky!

04-17-2003, 02:18 PM	#4
Peanut Second Gear Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The New World Posts: 15,422	The NHL is the best sport around. Nothing can compare especially basketball. Booooooooooooring! BTW LOL to GK. Detroit just got swept out of the playoffs last night by the Mighty Ducks who almost missed the playoffs. The Sharks and Rangers never even MADE the playoffs.

04-17-2003, 02:21 PM	#5
Peanut Second Gear Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The New World Posts: 15,422	Oh yeah BTW. HAHAHAHAHAHA to all the Wing fans! Joseph dropped the Leafs to join Detroit and now he's already playing golf! If you can't win one game against the ducks with that great Detroit defense....whew....you need some MEGA help. Maybe the old loser should retire.

04-17-2003, 07:08 PM	#6
Mr. Snackpants Keep cool my babies! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mount Pleasant Posts: 2,239	3 outta 7 aint bad

04-18-2003, 06:37 AM	#9
tmnt2513 Thug Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 77	I know your not really a hockey fan....but still if you had watched any of the games...there was so much crap going on...if the refs could call the game the same way during the playoffs as they had during the season..maybe things would have been different...do you really honestly think that the Ducks were a "better" team?...I know everyone wants to chime in...well yeah they beat your team...lol..The Wings led the league almost all year long...they had people gunning at them everynight as if it were a finals game...(when your the defending champ...you have everyone coming at you game in..game out..at 110%) ..that type of schedule wears you down...besides the Wings have won the cup 3 out of 7 years...and people here in Detroit have set this incredibly high expectation for there hockey club...because Detroit couldn't put a puck past J.S.G, and because Cujo wasn't necessarily playing his best...doesn't mean the Ducks are better.....just that the ducks had a better goaltender for the playoffs this year...plenty of times a great team for some reason doesn't perform quite as well as they should and they land on there face..it happens all the time...hell it was either Dallas or N.J...that made it to the finals and won the cup and the next year didn't even make the play-offs ...yet they had a pretty damn good team...The ducks weren't a better team...they just had a hot goalie..and alot of luck...again count how many posts the Wings hit...and how many time J.S.G...stopped play for faulty equipment checks...(yeah that's against the rules) ...how many times were goals disallowed for the Wings?...yeah there ya go...next year....whew...next year...besides in the second round...the Ducks are going to get rocked...lol... yep! How many times has your (anyone that's making fun of Detroit) team won the cup in it's history? Yeah they spent millions of dollars not just to win...but to keep producing a Great team...and they do have a Great team...oh and the Best fans in all of the world...yeah that's why they call it Hockey town...even Gary Betman called it that...yeah the HOCKEY COMMISSIONER...say what you want canadian fans...but your just pissed that all "your" precious hockey clubs are getting sent to the south...yeah the Jets? Nordiques? .... ...Next year they'll win and that's fine...yeah I guess one of the best goalies in the last 10 years of hockey...is a LOSER...right? because he lost in the playoffs...yeah I guess only winning the stanley cup gives you the right to be a winner.....whatever that's a load of crap. 3 out of 7...yeah where's all your teams stats and odds at? You can't win all the time. I GUARANTEE they win it next year...I GUARANTEE. -Go Wings!....sorry I'm a real die-hard hockey fan and can get pretty touchy about it...lol - Lance

04-18-2003, 09:58 AM	#10
Peanut Second Gear Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The New World Posts: 15,422	I'm not a real hockey fan? If you're directing that comment at me you're completely wrong. I bleed Maple Leaf blue. I shaved my head into a mohawk and dyed it blue just for the Leafs. I WATCHED what I could of the Detroit Anahiem series, a little bit of all 4 games and most nights the entire game. I won't disagree that Detroit completley out played Anahiem in every aspect except for the most important part of the playoffs GOALTENDING! Jospeh couldn't win here and he won't win there. And don't say anything about the ref calls. Toronto is the only team in the NHL to be down 2 men 4 times in a game and then to have even more penalties called on them afterwards. The Wings/Ducks series was called well in my opinion. I may not have seen all of the calls or non-calls but I'm pretty sure that powerplays didn't break a team like Detroit. The Wings are a very VERY arrogant team and I think they got too cocky, they probably thought they'd walk right through the Ducks without a scratch. I'm glad they're out. This proves once and for all that high payrolls won't win the cup. Wing out in first round and Rangers didn't even make the playoffs.

04-18-2003, 05:39 PM	#12
tmnt2513 Thug Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 77	Yeah 3 out of 7 years right?... Payroll doesn't win playoffs?...recheck the payrolls of Colorado, and Dallas...okay? What about the Yankee's in baseball?...Oh yeah and the associate press out of Detroit and Cali said that the Ducks players during the hand shaking...told various players...we respect you guys highly and "we shouldn't had won this series" ....Thats the DUCKS SAYING THAT!!!...oh and Toronto guy...quit being so mad that you lost Cujo...he was like your marquee player and we stole him away...we'll come back stronger than ever next year....and the Wings arrogant?...hardly...We're a team of finesse and heritage...not just the highest scoring team in the league...but probably the best passing team in the league...while the Maple leafs...is a bunch of rough necks that can't cut it...even went out and brought in old Belfour - who couldn't handle Dallas anymore...yeah Tie Domi...great player...probably the biggest goon ever...I watched your series last year w/ Ottawa/New J...and so far this year's Philly series...you guys deserve every penalty you get ...goons....whew....Toronto is a dirty dirty team...atleast Detroit has class. Ottawa has your number this year...and the 3rd best Swede will be wondering what's going on...yeah that's your precious Sundin I'm talking about ...incase your wondering (#1 Lidstrom, #2 Forsberg...eerrr...actually Naslund is #3...oh well) - Lance

04-18-2003, 06:51 PM	#14
tmnt2513 Thug Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 77	Actually the fact is...last year Toronto (w/Cujo) got to the Conference finals...and this year there still not past the first round as we speak...yeah..good theory there! ...oh and the fact is...the Wings 3 for 7...Toronto???... yeah great argument here... ..think before you speak...what type of progress did Toronto make last year and the year before?...where are they at right now?...still in the first round. NEXT YEAR...hopefully your club doesn't move down south also.

04-19-2003, 12:42 PM	#15
Don New Recruit Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2	Ottawa has the best chance at the cup: They've got great depth, offense, defence, goaltending,coaching, leadership, discipline and grit (all on one of the NHL's smallest payrolls). I've been a sens fan since they were formed 11 years ago, and after 7 years of early playoff exits I think we'll finally do some damage this year!

04-19-2003, 03:44 PM	#16
Peanut Second Gear Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The New World Posts: 15,422	Well obviously we're still in the first round! IT ISN'T OVER YET! At least we're going longer than 4 games and against a GOOD team not a team that scraped into the playoffs. You make no sense at all. Plus you can take Cujo and shove him. I never liked the whiny baby. Domi a goon eh? That's why he has 15 goals this season huh? More than both the Detroit "goons" Mccarty and Draper. Try to learn the hockey terms first before you use them. Face the facts that Detroit DID lose and YES it IS because they're arrogant! They make such beautiful passes through center ice and...oh no...the ducks pick them off. They took the Ducks lightly and now they're out! BTW don the Sens aren't very gritty at all. If they faced ONE, good, constant checking team they'd have an injury list bigger than ours last year.

04-21-2003, 09:51 PM	#17
tmnt2513 Thug Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 77	yeah Kris Draper...a goon...(what the hell?!?!)..yep your going to game 7...you know I'm half canadian and I actually like the leafs...but I want them to lose because of people like you... quite honestly you don't know very much about hockey...and I'm getting tired of discussing it with you...you have your opinion and I have mine...The Wings were arrogant....true...but then again to win 3 Cups within 7 years in this day and age is quite an achievement...don't worry I know that resentment is bred from jealousy...and that's fine... next year we'll take it... it's people like you that have all the fun in the world when your "team" is on top...but quite honestly your on the brink to...oh yeah and how would Toronto fair if it were still in the Western Conference????....yeah arrogant Detroit may be...perhaps cocky...but then again...when was the last time Toronto won the cup?....93?... hmmm...I hate the Flyers...but I really want to see them squash the Leafs....oh and Cujo had a better first round than Hasek had for us last year....as far as numbers go. So maybe you should take a look in the record books and relize that just because your from Canada...eh..(or is it "a")..doesn't mean that your the almighty hockey god... simply because we're seperated by a lake...and it takes me 30 minutes to drive to your "homeland" eh

04-21-2003, 10:42 PM	#18
Peanut Second Gear Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The New World Posts: 15,422	Ok there pal. I know plenty about hockey. PLENTY. I don't care if my teams on top or on the bottom. I'm NOT a bandwangoner. I admit I may have made a mistake calling Draper a goon. I also respect your opinion, but there is no need at all to take the stance on your opinions that you did. I wasn't trying to get offensive. I was trying to get a good conversation going about the NHL, but obviously you (like most Wings fans) don't want to hear anything except that your team is the best.