Leatherhead - villain or friend?

*CyberCubed* · 09-24-2011, 09:31 AM

Leatherhead wound up becoming a friend of the turtles in Mirage, 4kids, Archie. In the original cartoon however he remained a villain the whole way through.

Do you want to see Leatherhead become their ally after maybe an ep or two of fighting the turtles, or should he stay as a villain?

*Bauer536* · 09-24-2011, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Leatherhead wound up becoming a friend of the turtles in Mirage, 4kids, Archie. In the original cartoon however he remained a villain the whole way through.

Do you want to see Leatherhead become their ally after maybe an ep or two of fighting the turtles, or should he stay as a villain?

Here's an interesting thought: how about having Donnie think that Leatherhead is good, but ends up getting fooled. We could have Leatherhead be a good guy first, but then later show that he's a traitor to the turtles. I don't know, I think it would be cool to have Leatherhead both ways.

Just to add: "What a Croc," in my opinion, was not a good title for an episode. I hope Nick calls theirs "Crocodile Tears" or better - "Crocodile Laughs" to portray Leatherhead as the bad guy. Or, the episode should have some symbolic name. I don't know.

*Slap-Happy* · 09-24-2011, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bauer536

Just to add: "What a Croc," in my opinion, was not a good title for an episode. I hope Nick calls theirs "Crocodile Tears" or better - "Crocodile Laughs" to portray Leatherhead as the bad guy. Or, the episode should have some symbolic name. I don't know.

I think you're getting a litte ahead of yourself...

ninjafowlkes8705 · 09-24-2011, 03:07 PM

allie to tmnt better than villian than 87 series

*Powder* · 09-24-2011, 03:50 PM

For me it depends on his appearance, I guess... I love Mirage/4kids' Leatherhead, but not more than I do in the OT. That absurd cajun critter is one of my all time favorite (OT) characters. If they go the route of big hulking intelligent naked gator, then I guess make him smart. If not, give us the swamp creep.

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Originally Posted by Bauer536

Just to add: "What a Croc," in my opinion, was not a good title for an episode. I hope Nick calls theirs "Crocodile Tears" or better - "Crocodile Laughs" to portray Leatherhead as the bad guy. Or, the episode should have some symbolic name. I don't know.

Yes we get it, you can write better comics AND better episodes. You're a literary god.

**Jester** · 09-24-2011, 04:45 PM

Time to buck the trend: I actually prefer the Cajun villain Leatherhead. I think he has more personality.

*Bauer536* · 09-24-2011, 05:47 PM

Yes we get it, you can write better comics AND better episodes. You're a literary god.[/QUOTE]

Okay, so maybe I'm ahead of myself. I'm sorry. I just think I have ideas that I think would work for a new series (or maybe the Nickelodeon series, which is what we're talking about). I just get too excited, I guess. Sorry. I just think that my fanfiction and fantasies may become a reality or something. Who knows? Maybe in the future. I still have to be realistic. Still, I can dream, can I? I don't know: back on the "Why the hate?" thread, I posted my feelings for a storyline that would've been better for the movie. By that point, someone responded saying that my idea was better. No, I don't want to get cocky. I just love devising ideas. That's all. I'm not a literary god. I may have a little arrogance in me, but I assure you, I'm not pompus.

*Slap-Happy* · 09-24-2011, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bauer536

Okay, so maybe I'm ahead of myself. I'm sorry. I just think I have ideas that I think would work for a new series (or maybe the Nickelodeon series, which is what we're talking about). I just get too excited, I guess. Sorry. I just think that my fanfiction and fantasies may become a reality or something. Who knows? Maybe in the future. I still have to be realistic. Still, I can dream, can I? I don't know: back on the "Why the hate?" thread, I posted my feelings for a storyline that would've been better for the movie. By that point, someone responded saying that my idea was better. No, I don't want to get cocky. I just love devising ideas. That's all. I'm not a literary god. I may have a little arrogance in me, but I assure you, I'm not pompus.

It's perfectly fine if you like devising ideas. Just calm down a bit.

Pretty much the same thing was said when you started to ask if the new April wears socks or not. You'll see what you wanna see soon enough.

*pannoni1* · 09-26-2011, 01:54 PM

I always wonder how much the writers actually look into fanfiction, as they may often have better ideas than the writers themselves! Plus, it's easier to get that first draft seeing what the fans want. But with all these Nick threads about "what do you want x to be?", unless we have some official cast/crew member post, have no control over what it's going to turn out. I'm making my personal scale in terms of characters that are the most threatening, with 10 being "Big Bad" villain (Shredder), a "5" meaning neutral (Rat King), and a "1" meaning a true hero (The TMNT). Basically, I would give Leatherhead about a 6. In real life, a turtle species called an Alligator Snapper have been known to kill and eat small alligators, yet alligators themselves have known to eat turtles as well. Therefore, I would expect a slightly better chance/occurance as a villain here.

LotusBlossom · 09-26-2011, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by pannoni1

I always wonder how much the writers actually look into fanfiction, as they may often have better ideas than the writers themselves! Plus, it's easier to get that first draft seeing what the fans want.

Of course then the end result would appeal to, like, 12 people (at the most). Plus, let's be honest, everyone here will be watching no matter what, so why should Nick bother catering to the "die-hards"?

If you want the new show to be successful, it needs to lure in a much more mainstream audience (far beyond the world of forums and "fan fics").

And thus Leatherhead should be a villain ... because, like, alligators are all scary and stuff.

*Whitewolf89* · 09-27-2011, 02:59 PM

I like Leatherhead better as a friend of the Turtles, rather than an enemy. To be very honest, I was NEVER very frond of the Cajun version in the OT. The one in the Archie Comics TMNT series was fine, because he was a good guy, and friend of our Turtles. Still a Cajun, yes, but a good guy.

And that, for what it's worth, is MY 2 cents.

LeoNerdo · 09-27-2011, 03:25 PM

I preferred OT Cajun Leatherhead to 2k3 friendly hulking scientist with bouts of uncontrollable rage. Though I liked 2k3 better when he was mindless and enraged and I wanted the OT version to be a good guy when I was a kid. I guess the Archie incarnation is my favorite overall.

**Machias Banshee** · 09-27-2011, 08:03 PM

I... didn't care for either version of Leatherhead. I would think of him as more of a 'gray' character. Not good or bad, except for when it suits him best. Crocodiles have survived for millions of years on opportunism and instinct, Let him keep those same traits...

*ssjup81* · 09-28-2011, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Machias Banshee

I... didn't care for either version of Leatherhead. I would think of him as more of a 'gray' character. Not good or bad, except for when it suits him best. Crocodiles have survived for millions of years on opportunism and instinct, Let him keep those same traits...

Sounds like OT Rat King. A "gray" character, imo.

That aside, I actually prefer Cajun enemy Leatherhead. He was more entertaining to me.

Suine Hallock · 10-04-2011, 07:33 AM

I vote scientist ally. Leatherhead, in that fashion, makes me think of Beast from X-Men. I like having a character with the "super smart guy prone to bouts of rage" dynamic in TMNT.

Godzilla · 10-09-2011, 01:28 AM

Cajun villain Leatherhead would be my pick.

Simply because it was how I was first introduced to the character, and is pretty much still what first comes to mind whenever thinking Leatherhead even though I am aware of the Mirage/Archie/2k3 versions. He just made for a very entertaining villain.

UK_Raph_Fan · 10-09-2011, 04:34 AM

Hey there, that-a-gator Leatherhead was best as a gumbo chomping, swap romping, turtle stomping Cajun Villain, ya'hear?! I guaranteeeeeeee...

*Redeemer* · 10-09-2011, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Jester

Time to buck the trend: I actually prefer the Cajun villain Leatherhead. I think he has more personality.

Got to agree with Jester, I love the OT cajen Leatherhead bc of his striking personality. I also prefer him as a villian.... dont know why jst do.

*sdp* · 10-09-2011, 11:49 AM

I like him better as a villain, however the cajun leatherhead was terrible.

cryan · 10-09-2011, 04:12 PM

I vote villian as well.

09-24-2011, 09:31 AM	#1
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,835	Leatherhead - villain or friend? Leatherhead wound up becoming a friend of the turtles in Mirage, 4kids, Archie. In the original cartoon however he remained a villain the whole way through. Do you want to see Leatherhead become their ally after maybe an ep or two of fighting the turtles, or should he stay as a villain?

09-24-2011, 04:45 PM	#6
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,298	Time to buck the trend: I actually prefer the Cajun villain Leatherhead. I think he has more personality. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

09-26-2011, 01:54 PM	#9
pannoni1 Foot Elite Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: USA Posts: 3,447	I always wonder how much the writers actually look into fanfiction, as they may often have better ideas than the writers themselves! Plus, it's easier to get that first draft seeing what the fans want. But with all these Nick threads about "what do you want x to be?", unless we have some official cast/crew member post, have no control over what it's going to turn out. I'm making my personal scale in terms of characters that are the most threatening, with 10 being "Big Bad" villain (Shredder), a "5" meaning neutral (Rat King), and a "1" meaning a true hero (The TMNT). Basically, I would give Leatherhead about a 6. In real life, a turtle species called an Alligator Snapper have been known to kill and eat small alligators, yet alligators themselves have known to eat turtles as well. Therefore, I would expect a slightly better chance/occurance as a villain here. __________________ http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/sho...d.php?t=37065- MY WANT LIST TMNT FAN CLUB LINK: http://sot.ag/gCjK/ 30 years of Turtle Power!

09-27-2011, 02:59 PM	#11
Whitewolf89 Freedom Fighter and Ninja Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Currently residing in the Turtles' Lair, NYC sewer system, NYC, NY Posts: 2,927	I like Leatherhead better as a friend of the Turtles, rather than an enemy. To be very honest, I was NEVER very frond of the Cajun version in the OT. The one in the Archie Comics TMNT series was fine, because he was a good guy, and friend of our Turtles. Still a Cajun, yes, but a good guy. And that, for what it's worth, is MY 2 cents. __________________ Brother against brother........... Last edited by Whitewolf89; 10-05-2011 at 01:30 PM.

10-09-2011, 11:49 AM	#19
sdp Detoxed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tokio, Italy Posts: 11,203	I like him better as a villain, however the cajun leatherhead was terrible. __________________ *Trapt* *urself Page MiscRave!!!* Click to join The Drome Discord server

09-24-2011, 03:07 PM	#4
ninjafowlkes8705 Thug Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 53	allie to tmnt better than villian than 87 series

09-24-2011, 05:47 PM	#7
Bauer536 Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2011 Location: United States Posts: 1,550	Yes we get it, you can write better comics AND better episodes. You're a literary god.[/QUOTE] Okay, so maybe I'm ahead of myself. I'm sorry. I just think I have ideas that I think would work for a new series (or maybe the Nickelodeon series, which is what we're talking about). I just get too excited, I guess. Sorry. I just think that my fanfiction and fantasies may become a reality or something. Who knows? Maybe in the future. I still have to be realistic. Still, I can dream, can I? I don't know: back on the "Why the hate?" thread, I posted my feelings for a storyline that would've been better for the movie. By that point, someone responded saying that my idea was better. No, I don't want to get cocky. I just love devising ideas. That's all. I'm not a literary god. I may have a little arrogance in me, but I assure you, I'm not pompus.

09-27-2011, 03:25 PM	#12
LeoNerdo Stone Warrior Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 872	I preferred OT Cajun Leatherhead to 2k3 friendly hulking scientist with bouts of uncontrollable rage. Though I liked 2k3 better when he was mindless and enraged and I wanted the OT version to be a good guy when I was a kid. I guess the Archie incarnation is my favorite overall.

09-27-2011, 08:03 PM	#13
Machias Banshee Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 17,163	I... didn't care for either version of Leatherhead. I would think of him as more of a 'gray' character. Not good or bad, except for when it suits him best. Crocodiles have survived for millions of years on opportunism and instinct, Let him keep those same traits...

10-04-2011, 07:33 AM	#15
Suine Hallock Mouser Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 9	I vote scientist ally. Leatherhead, in that fashion, makes me think of Beast from X-Men. I like having a character with the "super smart guy prone to bouts of rage" dynamic in TMNT.

10-09-2011, 01:28 AM	#16
Godzilla Foot Soldier Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 235	Cajun villain Leatherhead would be my pick. Simply because it was how I was first introduced to the character, and is pretty much still what first comes to mind whenever thinking Leatherhead even though I am aware of the Mirage/Archie/2k3 versions. He just made for a very entertaining villain.

10-09-2011, 04:34 AM	#17
UK_Raph_Fan Mouser Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: England, UK Posts: 10	Hey there, that-a-gator Leatherhead was best as a gumbo chomping, swap romping, turtle stomping Cajun Villain, ya'hear?! I guaranteeeeeeee...

10-09-2011, 04:12 PM	#20
cryan Stone Warrior Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Athens,AL Posts: 743	I vote villian as well.