New IDW collection for non-Eastman/Laird Vol. 1 issues

[CyberCubed]

Looks like #13, 16, and #18 of Vol. 1 won't be "skipped" for long, they'll just be released in a separate format:

http://www.amazon.ca/Teenage-Mutant-...g_hu-rd_dp_img

The original stories of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles come roaring back to shelves - in all-new, full color - with the line of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Classics trade paperbacks! Volume 1 contains Mirage Studios' issues #13, 16, and 18 - showcasing favorite tales like "The Peoples Choice," "A TMNT Time Tale," and "The Shell of the Dragon."


They're going to be in color...for #18 that doesn't surprise me as that WAS released in color back in the day, but were the other two?

[Venom]

Hm, only 3 issues per trade? Without doing much thinking that's what, 11-12 trades for the non-Kevin/Peter Volume 1 stuff?

[Kendamu]

Ooh! Shell of the Dragon in color? Freakin' awesome! I'm in!

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

showcasing favorite tales like "The Peoples Choice," "A TMNT Time Tale," and "The Shell of the Dragon."

Eh, there's like two people on this planet that enjoy "A TMNT Time Tale." But whatever, I guess they're just going down the line, for better or worse.

[Powder]

I guess I'm one of the two. I love those issues Mark did.

[Roseangelo]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Eh, there's like two people on this planet that enjoy "A TMNT Time Tale." But whatever, I guess they're just going down the line, for better or worse.

Oh please. #16, while not your preferred blood bath/swear fest/beer party, is harmless fun and not even compatible to the ridiculousness of the second two Martin stories.

And I'm for them printing the issues in order and not skipping any, so this'll do.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Roseangelo

is harmless fun and not even compatible to the ridiculousness of the second two Martin stories.

I guess that much is true.

Totally not against them reprinting this stuff, I'd just hate to see it come at the expense of the better stuff later on -- that's my only thing.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Totally not against them reprinting this stuff, I'd just hate to see it come at the expense of the better stuff later on -- that's my only thing.

What makes you say that? They're releasing these in little spurts, to keep the order, but to keep the Eastman and Laird "canon" intact. What makes you think they'll stop because they're releasing the issues in chronological order?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Jester

What makes you say that? They're releasing these in little spurts, to keep the order, but to keep the Eastman and Laird "canon" intact. What makes you think they'll stop because they're releasing the issues in chronological order?

If material like the Martin or Hedden-McWeeney stuff is put out there and sales not-so-coincidentally drop to levels that no longer justify future "filling in the blanks" TPBs. I'd hate to see "The River," or "Twilight of the Ring," or "Halls of Lost Legends" or "Leatherhead Too" be casualties.

[Galactus]

I tend to agree with Andrew on this. It seems like an odd choice to start off with. (A vast understatement)

Wouldn't it be a better idea to try and group the non Eastman/Laird stories together by creator. Put Dooney's "The Peoples Choice", "Dreams of Stone" and "Masks" Parts 1 - 3 in the same trade.

Same with Veitch's "The River" and couple it with "Sky Highway" . You could probably group together Dan Berger's "Leatherhead Too" with his Tales V. 2 stories featuring LH and so on.

Then group any overflow together. Maybe try and tie them with a theme or something.

[Jester]

Yes but isn't Leatherhead, Too and many of of those other stories mentioned "canon". I'd assume that Dooney's The Peoples Choice is because it was later adapted by Laird in the 4Kids series. I'm sure they will be grouped in Vol 3 (or later) of the Ultimate Collection. I see these as "Well we've gotta do them all...just in case, but they aren't part of the 'story'."

EDIT: Wait...why is The Peoples Choice in this release....I'll show myself out.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Jester

Yes but isn't Leatherhead, Too and many of of those other stories mentioned "canon".

Nobody cares about what Laird said is and isn't canon anymore. It's up to IDW and their legal department what they can and can't reprint.

[Matches Malone]

Originally Posted by Galactus

I tend to agree with Andrew on this. It seems like an odd choice to start off with. (A vast understatement)

Wouldn't it be a better idea to try and group the non Eastman/Laird stories together by creator. Put Dooney's "The Peoples Choice", "Dreams of Stone" and "Masks" Parts 1 - 3 in the same trade.

Same with Veitch's "The River" and couple it with "Sky Highway" . You could probably group together Dan Berger's "Leatherhead Too" with his Tales V. 2 stories featuring LH and so on.

Then group any overflow together. Maybe try and tie them with a theme or something.

That's pretty much what I suggested at the IDW boards (pretty much a TMNT Presents: A.C. Farley type deal which would also allow shorts and back-up strips to be reprinted as well) and while Bobby said that was an approach being considered, it looks like they went the chronological route. I have the same worries as it's almost like inviting the same decline in popularity Volume 1 experienced when these issues were published the FIRST time. At least with creator-centric collections they can prioritize the stories that stick closely with the tone of the Eastman/Laird issues whose sales IDW is so pleased with so far. Makes more sense to me... Then again, perhaps IDW is going with a cheaper investment with these reprints (hence the paperback and small price tag) that sales is less of an issue to continue these volumes... Hopefully we'll hear some sort of official word from IDW soon on their plans on this soon.

[marcelangelo]

wow, I for one am glad that they keep pushing turtles comics so intensively..with the archie reprint and the first idw material around the corner to be reprinted in tpb this is the third(!) turtles comic book in the near future not counting ultimate collection vol 2 and a possible second print run of ult.c. vol 1...truly a reason to cry out:COWABUNGA, MOTHERF....!!!!...and later worry about if I like everything they chose to go into that collection...I'd say, don't worry, amigos, these books seem to pop out of the ground and people won't shy away if they don't like one of all these books so much...with turtles they got a huge hit on their hands like we witness at the moment...the good stuff will come!!

just checked and I am only missing issue #13 from this book...;(but now I don't understand if they do it chronologicly, why not start with issue 12?

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Jester

Yes but isn't Leatherhead, Too and many of of those other stories mentioned "canon". I'd assume that Dooney's The Peoples Choice is because it was later adapted by Laird in the 4Kids series. I'm sure they will be grouped in Vol 3 (or later) of the Ultimate Collection. I see these as "Well we've gotta do them all...just in case, but they aren't part of the 'story'."

EDIT: Wait...why is The Peoples Choice in this release....I'll show myself out.

They're not going by what anyone said was canon. These "Ultimate Collections" are rounding up issues that Eastman and/or Laird drew or wrote. Whether collaboratively or not.

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

Originally Posted by Roseangelo

Oh please. #16, while not your preferred blood bath/swear fest/beer party,

Maybe I need to refresh myself on Mirage comics, but what story really does fit that description besides Bodycount?

Even the first issue is relatively tame compared to what else is out there in comics. It only seems "extreme" now because of how much slapstick and silliness was in the cartoon.

[CyberCubed]

I guess this means the next oversized hard cover will probably be Shades of Gray and City at War....probably split into two or more volume's.

I assume #16 is here simply because they're going in order. 13, 16, and 18 are the only 3 skipped so far in the Eastman collections.

I also assume Volume 2 will get the oversized hardcover treatment after City at War.

[John Pannozzi]

Yeah, I must admit having a very soft spot for TMNT Vol. 1 #16. I fondly remember reading it for the very first time on NinjaTurtles.com back in the spring/summer of 2009.

But I already own all three of these issues via the TPBs that Mirage put out 20 years ago (and I own #17 twice since it was also in Eastman's 20th Anniversary book), so I'm not in hurry to get this unless the quality of the scanning/printing is as least as good as the earlier collections, though I obviously want to support TMNT and have the later stuff reprinted.

Though the likelihood of having #24-26 and 30 reprinted is pretty nil, since Rick Veitch never signed away the rights to his TMNT work. And I have no clue if Viacom and/or IDW would give Rick a deal he would consider better than what Mirage offered him, so we'll see how things pan out.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by John Pannozzi

Though the likelihood of having #24-26 and 30 reprinted is pretty nil, since Rick Veitch never signed away the rights to his TMNT work. And I have no clue if Viacom and/or IDW would give Rick a deal he would consider better than what Mirage offered him, so we'll see how things pan out.

Here's hoping they do. It would be a shame not see the "good" Vol. 1 guest issues reprinted.

[Matches Malone]

And another thing, if IDW is comfortable jumping around chronologically to collect just the Eastman/Laird works, then I REALLY don't get why they don't use the same approach for the remaining issues. Hmm...