How long do you think Shredder will last in IDW's continuity?

*CyberCubed* · 09-12-2012, 12:28 AM

So as we know, the Turtles didn't kill the Shredder when they battled him in #12, allowing him to be a recurring villain for future arcs.

Whereas Mirage killed him off in his debut, the cartoons and Archie kept Shredder throughout pretty much their entire run, and I am sure the Nick cartoon will do the same. Heck the last Archie story ever published focused on Shredder (Year of the Turtle), as well as the one we didn't get, (The Forever War, which still focused on Shredder).

Shredder lasted throughout the entire runs of both cartoons, (Shredder was in Season 10, Ch'rell was in Turtles Forever), and as I said, I am willing to bet he will be around forever in the Nick show as well.

What about IDW's Shredder? Will he eventually be killed off? Or do you think they'll keep him as long as possible? Or better yet, will Shredder be a mantle that is passed from character to character, much in the same way we've seen Karai, Raphael, Ch'rell, Viral, etc. take over the Shredder mantle in various continuities.

*Andrew NDB* · 09-12-2012, 01:12 AM

I'd like to believe there'd be a shocker at some point 20-30 issues from now where Oroku Saki is definitively killed on-page but realistically they probably have no plans on removing him entirely.

Could be wrong.

*Candy Kappa* · 09-12-2012, 01:24 AM

Since Shredder in IDW is the same Oroku Saki from Hamato Yoshi's time and are fully ressurected, not reincarnated apparently. I do not think the Shredder persona will be an mantle in the IDW-verse.

*frank_one* · 09-12-2012, 02:32 AM

I hope he dies as soon as possible, I don't want him to be a recurring villain like in the old toon. He is starting to bore me already actually. But I know it, this comics will finally turn into the old toon and we will have Bebop and Rocksteady and Shredder and Krang will become allies. Or maybe it is just a nightmare of mine. Prove me wrong, IDW!

*Powder* · 09-12-2012, 02:51 AM

I have no doubt he'll die/disappear & return. More than once. It's cool, I've come to expect that. I do like the mantle thing though, they could give that a whirl.

thelouisguy · 09-12-2012, 05:34 AM

I think he'll die at the end of year 3, so 36 issues in. Gives him a good run and allowed IDW time to build up secondary villains that could realistically be as opposing a threat as Shredder.

That said, we still have a lot to explore with Krang. If Krang and Shredder en up working together at the end of year 2 or beginning of year 3, then Shredder might be around a little longer.

*Plasticplayhouse* · 09-12-2012, 05:39 AM

i hope he gets killed off by splinter/turtles at some point. it doesnt have to be soon persay, but i would say within the next 12-15 issues. i love and respect the character, thus i feel he should die a warriors death. sure at some point, i wouldnt mind the shredder clone(s) to make a short seires appearance. maybe even a son of his that maybe is currently unknown to exist will take the helm. dont know really, but what i do know is that i dont want his character to be watered down into nothing that goes on and on and on. and by no means do i ever want to see Ch'rell rehashed.

*Zulithe* · 09-12-2012, 06:03 AM

As far as I'm concerned, Shredder should be TMNT's Joker -- he may only appear in the books once a year or so but he is an important and iconic villain and should not die off for good unless the series itself has planned ending that transpires at some point as well.

Shredder is deeply woven into the plot, moreso in the IDW series than probably any other incarnation of the story. The ties between him and Splinter go back farther. If he died, especially so early in the series, it feels like there is no greater confrontation that could happen beyond that where the drama and gravitas would be higher. Would be a waste. So yeah, I think he won't disappear for good. Besides, with reincarnation being such a central factor now, he can never TRULY be gone.

How many times have villains like X-Men's Apocalypse come back? It is to be expected.

*MikeandRaph87* · 09-12-2012, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Zulithe

As far as I'm concerned, Shredder should be TMNT's Joker -- he may only appear in the books once a year or so but he is an important and iconic villain and should not die off for good unless the series itself has planned ending that transpires at some point as well.

Shredder is deeply woven into the plot, moreso in the IDW series than probably any other incarnation of the story. The ties between him and Splinter go back farther. If he died, especially so early in the series, it feels like there is no greater confrontation that could happen beyond that where the drama and gravitas would be higher. Would be a waste. So yeah, I think he won't disappear for good. Besides, with reincarnation being such a central factor now, he can never TRULY be gone.

How many times have villains like X-Men's Apocalypse come back? It is to be expected.

Excactly. My limited interest in the black and white comics is rooted in the fact the main villain is dead after three appearances. Shredder has to be reoccuring and that is what makes him great.He should not be overused nor just appear a few times. If he was killed then it would feel like what is the point of keep going? With the main villain defeated with no return to keep the story going just seems pointless.

Lampy · 09-12-2012, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Zulithe

As far as I'm concerned, Shredder should be TMNT's Joker -- he may only appear in the books once a year or so but he is an important and iconic villain and should not die off for good unless the series itself has planned ending that transpires at some point as well.

Shredder is deeply woven into the plot, moreso in the IDW series than probably any other incarnation of the story. The ties between him and Splinter go back farther. If he died, especially so early in the series, it feels like there is no greater confrontation that could happen beyond that where the drama and gravitas would be higher. Would be a waste. So yeah, I think he won't disappear for good. Besides, with reincarnation being such a central factor now, he can never TRULY be gone.

How many times have villains like X-Men's Apocalypse come back? It is to be expected.

i definitely agree with this. i don't think they can completely remove the shredder. and if they do go the route of handing the mantle down generations... it won't last long. having read so much DC comics... i've come to accept that some mantles are just too great to pass on (right Bruce? Hal? Barry?). hell... even Marvel does it! i get it... there's a difference between villain and hero. not really... imagine magneto or joker being killed off and replaced.

my point is that if the mantle is indeed passed on... then the successor has very big armor-plated boots to fill... 30 years worth.

*Andrew NDB* · 09-12-2012, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Zulithe

As far as I'm concerned, Shredder should be TMNT's Joker

I don't believe the TMNT need their own Joker... they aren't superheroes and aren't vigilantes. I don't like to see them getting saddled with, like, every comic book superhero trope, even ones that shouldn't apply to them.

*Candy Kappa* · 09-12-2012, 12:54 PM

IDW have a bit of a superhero comic vibe, i wouldn't mind a slight street level ala Daredevil hero antics from the turtles, as long as it's not motivated by the need of being a hero and making a difference. Bad guys are easy target practice and no one would miss them.

And. I kinda want to see a capable, well fleshed out Shredder stay alive in the IDW series. As long as he is not overused, all good villains need a rest

Noah13 · 09-12-2012, 02:09 PM

I would like to see more charactization on the shredder instead of the 'big bad mean guy who wants to take over the world' that we normally get.

I'm glad they are keeping him around, but I'm going to hold off until the mini-series and possible micros to decide if this was a good thing in the long run

Godzilla · 09-12-2012, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Zulithe

As far as I'm concerned, Shredder should be TMNT's Joker --

Yeah, I think by and large, most people that is aware or knows anything about TMNT, Shredder already is what Joker is to Batman. I really don't care if he was intended or not intended to be the Darth Vader of the TMNT universe, but that's indeed the general perception, and has been for years.

Which, to me, is anything but a detriment to the franchise. Being that TMNT was essentially something of a parody of Daredevil, I have no qualms with Shredder being the Kingpin/Bullseye equivalent, and honestly never have.

*CyberCubed* · 09-12-2012, 04:45 PM

That's why in Mirage it didn't matter. Shredder was dead but his shadow cast on the rest of the series with Karai/The Foot being recurring characters.

Just look at City at War, Volume 2, Image and even Volume 4...the Turtles were never full free under Shredder's shadow.

*pannoni1* · 09-12-2012, 04:45 PM

Since IDW comics are not going to be aimed at the core Nickelodeon audience and comes at a point where lots of secondary villains have been created, I'd say Shredder will last as long as new issues are being created. You'll probably see Shredder escape and get away more often than in previous comics, and I wouldn't expect him to die given that villains in decades-old comic book franchises never disappear just so they can please new generations of readers. If Shredder is a mantle, I prefer it to be a family thing rather than using Utroms, so that all Shredders are Orokus, or better yet, Oroku Saki II, III, etc.

Lampy · 09-12-2012, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I don't believe the TMNT need their own Joker... they aren't superheroes and aren't vigilantes. I don't like to see them getting saddled with, like, every comic book superhero trope, even ones that shouldn't apply to them.

i think what he meant is that shredder is the main antagonist. not saying that the Turtles have to be heroes or vigilantes. the joker is the most well-recognized villain of batman. as is the shredder to the turtles. i think that's what Zulithe meant. but ask a kid who's the bad guy in tmnt (if they know of them)... they'd say shredder. in that way... he is the tmnt's joker.

but i see what you mean with your last statement. they're ninja mutants... they shouldn't feel any obligations toward humans... unless they happen to come across a situation.

*ToTheNines* · 09-12-2012, 07:21 PM

I dunno about Shredder, but I would like to see Krang get killed eventually. I think it'd be cool if Shredder was the one who did him in.

*CyberCubed* · 09-12-2012, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines

I dunno about Shredder, but I would like to see Krang get killed eventually. I think it'd be cool if Shredder was the one who did him in.

For some reason I think Krang's fate will be similar to what happened to him in the Archie series.

He'll be banished to some sort of wasteland planet without any body and forced to survive there on his own. Very similar to Ch'rell being banished in 4kids finale too.

I guess people really like the idea of banishing evil brains to random asteroids/planets rather than actually killing them.

*Powder* · 09-12-2012, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I guess people really like the idea of banishing evil brains to random asteroids/planets rather than actually killing them.

You know what they say, a mind is a terrible thing to waste.

09-12-2012, 01:12 AM	#2
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,396	I'd like to believe there'd be a shocker at some point 20-30 issues from now where Oroku Saki is definitively killed on-page but realistically they probably have no plans on removing him entirely. Could be wrong. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

09-12-2012, 01:24 AM	#3
Candy Kappa The Agenda of Existing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vikingland Posts: 14,596	Since Shredder in IDW is the same Oroku Saki from Hamato Yoshi's time and are fully ressurected, not reincarnated apparently. I do not think the Shredder persona will be an mantle in the IDW-verse. __________________ devianArt Instagram Youtube Tumblr Art Blog Patreon

09-12-2012, 05:34 AM	#6
thelouisguy Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Montréal Posts: 313	I think he'll die at the end of year 3, so 36 issues in. Gives him a good run and allowed IDW time to build up secondary villains that could realistically be as opposing a threat as Shredder. That said, we still have a lot to explore with Krang. If Krang and Shredder en up working together at the end of year 2 or beginning of year 3, then Shredder might be around a little longer. __________________ Lead the way, Toots. crossovercomics.ca/author/louis - @thelouisguy crossovercomics.ca/return-to-the-sewers - crossovercomics.ca/tag/tmnt+interview

09-12-2012, 05:39 AM	#7
Plasticplayhouse the gray ghost Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: North East Posts: 2,194	i hope he gets killed off by splinter/turtles at some point. it doesnt have to be soon persay, but i would say within the next 12-15 issues. i love and respect the character, thus i feel he should die a warriors death. sure at some point, i wouldnt mind the shredder clone(s) to make a short seires appearance. maybe even a son of his that maybe is currently unknown to exist will take the helm. dont know really, but what i do know is that i dont want his character to be watered down into nothing that goes on and on and on. and by no means do i ever want to see Ch'rell rehashed. __________________ Want to see more of my custom figures? http://plasticplayhouse.deviantart.com/

09-12-2012, 02:09 PM	#13
Noah13 Random Punk Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: New Zealand Posts: 42	I would like to see more charactization on the shredder instead of the 'big bad mean guy who wants to take over the world' that we normally get. I'm glad they are keeping him around, but I'm going to hold off until the mini-series and possible micros to decide if this was a good thing in the long run __________________ "Let me tell you a story..."

09-12-2012, 12:28 AM	#1
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,794	How long do you think Shredder will last in IDW's continuity? So as we know, the Turtles didn't kill the Shredder when they battled him in #12, allowing him to be a recurring villain for future arcs. Whereas Mirage killed him off in his debut, the cartoons and Archie kept Shredder throughout pretty much their entire run, and I am sure the Nick cartoon will do the same. Heck the last Archie story ever published focused on Shredder (Year of the Turtle), as well as the one we didn't get, (The Forever War, which still focused on Shredder). Shredder lasted throughout the entire runs of both cartoons, (Shredder was in Season 10, Ch'rell was in Turtles Forever), and as I said, I am willing to bet he will be around forever in the Nick show as well. What about IDW's Shredder? Will he eventually be killed off? Or do you think they'll keep him as long as possible? Or better yet, will Shredder be a mantle that is passed from character to character, much in the same way we've seen Karai, Raphael, Ch'rell, Viral, etc. take over the Shredder mantle in various continuities.

09-12-2012, 02:32 AM	#4
frank_one Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Southern Europe Posts: 2,230	I hope he dies as soon as possible, I don't want him to be a recurring villain like in the old toon. He is starting to bore me already actually. But I know it, this comics will finally turn into the old toon and we will have Bebop and Rocksteady and Shredder and Krang will become allies. Or maybe it is just a nightmare of mine. Prove me wrong, IDW!

09-12-2012, 02:51 AM	#5
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,945	I have no doubt he'll die/disappear & return. More than once. It's cool, I've come to expect that. I do like the mantle thing though, they could give that a whirl.

09-12-2012, 06:03 AM	#8
Zulithe Ninjutsu Master Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 6,418	As far as I'm concerned, Shredder should be TMNT's Joker -- he may only appear in the books once a year or so but he is an important and iconic villain and should not die off for good unless the series itself has planned ending that transpires at some point as well. Shredder is deeply woven into the plot, moreso in the IDW series than probably any other incarnation of the story. The ties between him and Splinter go back farther. If he died, especially so early in the series, it feels like there is no greater confrontation that could happen beyond that where the drama and gravitas would be higher. Would be a waste. So yeah, I think he won't disappear for good. Besides, with reincarnation being such a central factor now, he can never TRULY be gone. How many times have villains like X-Men's Apocalypse come back? It is to be expected.

09-12-2012, 12:54 PM	#12
Candy Kappa The Agenda of Existing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vikingland Posts: 14,596	IDW have a bit of a superhero comic vibe, i wouldn't mind a slight street level ala Daredevil hero antics from the turtles, as long as it's not motivated by the need of being a hero and making a difference. Bad guys are easy target practice and no one would miss them. And. I kinda want to see a capable, well fleshed out Shredder stay alive in the IDW series. As long as he is not overused, all good villains need a rest __________________ devianArt Instagram Youtube Tumblr Art Blog Patreon

09-12-2012, 04:45 PM	#15
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,794	That's why in Mirage it didn't matter. Shredder was dead but his shadow cast on the rest of the series with Karai/The Foot being recurring characters. Just look at City at War, Volume 2, Image and even Volume 4...the Turtles were never full free under Shredder's shadow.

09-12-2012, 04:45 PM	#16
pannoni1 Foot Elite Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: USA Posts: 3,447	Since IDW comics are not going to be aimed at the core Nickelodeon audience and comes at a point where lots of secondary villains have been created, I'd say Shredder will last as long as new issues are being created. You'll probably see Shredder escape and get away more often than in previous comics, and I wouldn't expect him to die given that villains in decades-old comic book franchises never disappear just so they can please new generations of readers. If Shredder is a mantle, I prefer it to be a family thing rather than using Utroms, so that all Shredders are Orokus, or better yet, Oroku Saki II, III, etc. __________________ http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/sho...d.php?t=37065- MY WANT LIST TMNT FAN CLUB LINK: http://sot.ag/gCjK/ 30 years of Turtle Power!

09-12-2012, 07:21 PM	#18
ToTheNines Col. Stinkmeaner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,208	I dunno about Shredder, but I would like to see Krang get killed eventually. I think it'd be cool if Shredder was the one who did him in.