Are the Mousers enough of a threat for a movie?

[saul]

How would you like to see them incorporated?
Do you think Rat King and Baxter should confront one another?

I think they are the 2 best villains/antagonists after Shredder, and could have an interesting connection with the whole rat/mouser thing. Maybe Baxter's mousers killing rats could turn Rat King from a neutral character to siding with the Turtles and begging for their help.

[Venom]

It would be a strange set-up, with Stockman being the main villain and Rat King being the minor character.

When faced with his rats being slain, though, the Rat King would allow the Turtles to help but would probably try to use Splinter as a bargaining chip by first ratnapping him to lure the Turtles to him.

[ToTheNines]

The concept is awesome, and I think I'd like to see it play out in an animated series or maybe a comic book, but the conflict isn't "big" enough to warrant a full movie.

However, it is high time both of these guys made it to the big screen. But probably in separate movies.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by saul

How would you like to see them incorporated?
Do you think Rat King and Baxter should confront one another?

I think they are the 2 best villains/antagonists after Shredder, and could have an interesting connection with the whole rat/mouser thing. Maybe Baxter's mousers killing rats could turn Rat King from a neutral character to siding with the Turtles and begging for their help.

The Rat King and his rats has no chance against Baxter Stockman's mouser robots, unless he hypnotizes Splinter.

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

The concept is awesome, and I think I'd like to see it play out in an animated series or maybe a comic book, but the conflict isn't "big" enough to warrant a full movie.

However, it is high time both of these guys made it to the big screen. But probably in separate movies.

This!

Though I will never understand what makes people think he is neutral and not evil. These characters would have been better than made for movie villains wasting chances for them or Krang to appear or Shredder once again.

[saul]

It would be cool to see the Turtles battle robots in a new movie, but would the Mousers be enough of a visual threat?

There's also the question of how the Turtles can use their ninja skills against robots.

Part of what made the first movie great was that their enemy (the Foot and Shredder) had the same or similar skill set as their own, which gave them a run for their money. And a ninja turtle movie needs a certain amount of ninja action in it.

[poprob]

Originally Posted by saul

It would be cool to see the Turtles battle robots in a new movie, but would the Mousers be enough of a visual threat?

There's also the question of how the Turtles can use their ninja skills against robots.

Part of what made the first movie great was that their enemy (the Foot and Shredder) had the same or similar skill set as their own, which gave them a run for their money. And a ninja turtle movie needs a certain amount of ninja action in it.

Baxter Stockman would be enough of a threat for a first movie, first using the Mousers, then himself as an agent against the Turtles. Then, at the end have it become known that The Shredder is really telling him what to do, setting up his entrance for a sequel...

[cACHI]

mousers type of ironman style of tech

[cowabungaparty]

or we could have the villians be baxter the mousers and just homato yoshi and which he gets his ass kicked so bad that sequal hint he has to hand build the shreddar armor and seek revenge on the turtle p.s get rid of the hun character and bring back master tatsu

[oldmanwinters]

I think the Mousers probably could have been used effectively as one of the sci-fi/technological threats faced by the turtles if they had followed something closer to Peter Laird's vision for Secret of the Ooze.
http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....on-second.html

[Jester]

Originally Posted by cowabungaparty

or we could have the villians be baxter the mousers and just homato yoshi and which he gets his ass kicked so bad that sequal hint he has to hand build the shreddar armor and seek revenge on the turtle p.s get rid of the hun character and bring back master tatsu

Hamato Yoshi? Do you mean Oroku Saki? Come on man. He's THE FREAKIN' SHREDDER! You gotta get that right.

[Cowabunga Carl]

Cowabungaparty you do know Saki is the Shredder and not Yoshi. Yoshi was Splinters master and or Splinter depending on the continuity your looking at.

I think Baxter is enough for the first movie. We don't need to see the Shredder as the big bad from the get go. Let him be the secret backer to Baxter. Reveal at the end that Baxter was just a small cog in a much larger machine.

If Baxter isn't enough throw in Old Hob to spice things up.

[Jester]

You wouldn't at all be biased towards that mutant kitty, would you Old Carl...or is it Cowabunga Hob?

[cowabungaparty]

oh yea saki my bad the mind wonder's after a few drink's lol

[cowabungaparty]

the stockman idea good , thumbs up, but .......we need more of a back story to why shreddar hate's the turtle's so much

[Cowabunga Carl]

Originally Posted by cowabungaparty

the stockman idea good , thumbs up, but .......we need more of a back story to why shreddar hate's the turtle's so much

You do realize that is in the origin too right?

If you go by the Mirage origin Shredder doesn't hate the Turtles, he didn't even know about them. It was Splinters revenge against the murder of his Master that brought them into conflict.

OT and IDW it is because Yoshi left the foot/challenged Shredders leadership.

Either way it's kind of always part of the origin on why Shredder hates them or the Turtles fight him. And it doesn't need to be part of the first film if he isn't the villain.

[cowabungaparty]

true but unfortunatly time has moved on and audiences these day's want less confusion we need to reboot the franchise decide on one story and roll with it and yes i am familiar with the various origin stories

[Cowabunga Carl]

Could have fooled me with your posts. Point is you don't have to tell the whole story the first time out. If Saki isn't the main villain you don't need to go into his origin in the first movie. Sometimes it is better to hold off showing the motivation, or even touching the motivation.

One of the best modern versions of a character is The Joker done by Ledger. No origin given, no back ground. Great character and great film.

[cowabungaparty]

ledger joker great performance indeed but tim burton's joker jack nichelson it's a close call

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