What Were The Worst Episodes of The '87 Cartoon?

[MikeandRaph87]

Its the crown jewel of all turtledom,but it had its clunkers just like anything does. Which ones in your opinion were the bottom of the barrel in the '87 cartoon?

The ones with Zack and Carter/Dregg I never had but so much interest as far as supporting characters go,but these episodes are the ones in chronological order I did not care for much or at all.
My bottom ten:

The Missing Map-Zack is boring and whiny the concept of the viewer hanging out with the TMNT does not work and this is his weakest appearance.

Mr. Ogg Comes To Town- Mr. Ogg is annoying and his powers are well ineffective and stupid.

Raphael Knocks 'em Dead-Its embarrasing as a Rob Paulsen Raphael fan. The sacastic hothead goes into the light of day to do stand up? I like the scarcastic hothead.
Funny,They Shrunk Michelangelo-Its just boring with an ineffective villian mirroring a previous plot like Sofo will do later in Too Hot To Handle.
Donatello's Badd Time-Worst villians faced in this series. A family of hillbillies are able to steal the Turtle Van from Don and go after a ruby the late father wanted?
Nightmare In The Lair-Creppy Eddy and the episode concept just bored me.
Polly Wanna Pizza-It was boring and silly too me.
The New Mutation-Bad idea and adds nothing to an alteady bad direction that's full potential was never seen.
Carter,The Enforcer-I don't like this character and this episode shows why he is such a bad character.
Mobster From Dimension X-Boring,filler,God Father glob?The only interesting thing about this dull episode is the Bazter Stockman look a-like in the inventor of the protein computer.

Which noes did not do it for you and why? Its possible one of my least favorties are your favorites.

[pannoni1]

I probably have several, but since it says "Worst episodes", I'll be nice and only go with the two worst that stick out with me.

Northern Lights Out: The dragon robot was simply boring, and Eric's plot of a volcanic explosion is just weak ghost of the same plot from Dimension X Story. Another plot about global warming involving flooding the coastal cities first established in Shredder's Mom. My least favorite pre-Red Sky episode.

The Unknown Ninja: Are we really still watching the Ninja Turtles? This is that episode that begins the Dregg/Carter/Unstable Mutation syndrome that killed this show and the moment the series Jumped the Shark. Reducing the plot element to simply gold just shows how stale the series has become at that point. Carter learns the Ninja honor for nothing as nothing from this season is really Ninja oriented. Also, The Intimadators could just be REX-1 intimidators!

[Cipher]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

Funny,They Shrunk Michelangelo-Its just boring with an ineffective villian mirroring a previous plot like Sofo will do later in Too Hot To Handle.
Donatello's Badd Time-Worst villians faced in this series. A family of hillbillies are able to steal the Turtle Van from Don and go after a ruby the late father wanted?

Absolutely agreed on these two. Their cardinal sin is that they're just incredibly boring. Either one makes a good candidate for "worst of the series."

Of course, I've deliberately avoided all the European vacation episodes to this point, and likely won't see them until I get the complete-series set later this year. Those could very easily be worse.

Raphael Knocks 'em Dead-Its embarrasing as a Rob Paulsen Raphael fan. The sacastic hothead goes into the light of day to do stand up? I like the scarcastic hothead.

Is this the one that ends with a taxi cab chase? If so, you take that back, sir. I thought it was one of the more entertaining Turtle-spotlight episodes.

[CyberCubed]

None of the episodes listed are particularly bad, The Missing Map especially was a great episode.

Worst overall was the one where Mike turns human.

[MikeandRaph87]

Cipher;1007800]Absolutely agreed on these two. Their cardinal sin is that they're just incredibly boring. Either one makes a good candidate for "worst of the series."

Donatello's Badd Time is my least favorite episode from the first 8 seasons so that one gets my vote.

Of course, I've deliberately avoided all the European vacation episodes to this point, and likely won't see them until I get the complete-series set later this year. Those could very easily be worse.

I don't have much problem with those aside from the first of the two Atlantis episodes and Viking ones and besides there are worse ones like I mentioned above though its all in one's Ring of Fire,and Elementary My Dear,Turtle which are all pretty good IMHO

Is this the one that ends with a taxi cab chase? If so, you take that back, sir. I thought it was one of the more entertaining Turtle-spotlight episodes.

No,this is the one where Baxter's twin creates a device to use laughter to control people. The concept was too silly for me and it took Raphael's character too far one way that it did not feel right for the character.

Edit: Cubed,the reason I don't like The Missing Map is because the turtles should not have need for a map and know the consequences of having one if they actually have need for one. That and Zack's annoyance equal irritating.

[Cipher]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

No,this is the one where Baxter's twin creates a device to use laughter to control people. The concept was too silly for me and it took Raphael's character too far one way that it did not feel right for the character.

Oh, yeah. I was thinking of "Raphael Drives 'Em Wild." I actually don't remember this one enough to comment.

[cammy85]

Mr. Ogg was annoying as were the Badds. I like The Missing Map because Zach visits the Technodrome and has a lot of fun much to Krang's chagrin. My least favorite Zach episode was the one with Wingnut and Screwloose because as a fifth Turtle, Zach would know better than to let his imagination get the better of him.

Jet McCabe ruined "The Showdown" because of HIS annoyance however.

[saul]

Season 4 - "Michelangelo Toys Around" takes the cake for me.

The animation is horrible. The Turtles are hardly in the story. And the plot is boring and ridiculous. There's nothing "ninja turtles" about it for me.


PS:
There was a thread started about this before:
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=32779

[CyberCubed]

Some of those poorly animated episodes in the middle seasons were clearly just rushed to increase the episode count.

[Logan]

I've mentioned this elsewhere, but I loathe "Return of the Shredder".

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Logan

I've mentioned this elsewhere, but I loathe "Return of the Shredder".

Season 2's opener? That episode with the Crooked Ninja Turtle Gang was hilarious.

[Cipher]

Originally Posted by Logan

I've mentioned this elsewhere, but I loathe "Return of the Shredder".

I got your back on this one. Boring and, more than anything, a signal for how much of a step down season two would be in terms of animation, action and humor.

[Cryomancer]

Ogg episode is hilarious and worth watch just to see Shredder freaking out about his collection.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by Cipher

Oh, yeah. I was thinking of "Raphael Drives 'Em Wild." I actually don't remember this one enough to comment.

I at least like the gangsters in that episode.

[Jephael]

A couple of the European episodes come to mind.

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by Jephael

A couple of the European episodes come to mind.

Which ones? I find The Lost Queen of Atlantis boring while not neccessarily bad and Atlantis Awakes contradicts it and its a fun action packed episode. Its funny how a similar premise has a good episode and a so-so one. I enjoy Adventures In Turtle Sitting while Back To The Egg was so-so for example. Its all about the plot around a concept!

The other European Vacation episode as I said above was Northern Lights Out. Mostly due to poor villiany. Are those the two you are referring to Jepheal?

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

The other European Vacation episode as I said above was Northern Lights Out. Mostly due to poor villiany. Are those the two you are referring to Jepheal?

I think its just the bad animation team and Raph's alternate VA that really makes those episodes seem worse than they actually are.

[Jephael]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

I find The Lost Queen of Atlantis boring while not neccessarily bad and Atlantis Awakes contradicts it and its a fun action packed episode. Its funny how a similar premise has a good episode and a so-so one. I enjoy Adventures In Turtle Sitting while Back To The Egg was so-so for example. Its all about the plot around a concept!

The other European Vacation episode as I said above was Northern Lights Out. Mostly due to poor villiany. Are those the two you are referring to Jepheal?

Actually, I thought the one with the Eiffel Tower was kinda stupid. It had such a lackluster plot.

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by Jephael

Actually, I thought the one with the Eiffel Tower was kinda stupid. It had such a lackluster plot.

Rust Never Sleeps,correct? I will have to go back and watch it again. I believe it to be decent. It was a stretch to get Shredder in the same location as the TMNT,but the episode overall was done well.

The European Vacation episodes made me realize something a long time ago. Why do the villain enter their attacks on the same city where they know thier enemey hero is? Why not come up with an aelbaorate plot somewhere else on the planet? Why have Lord Zedd always attack the same suburb of L.A.? Why have Brainiac come to Metropolis when he can destory worlds? The list goes on.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Season 2's opener? That episode with the Crooked Ninja Turtle Gang was hilarious.

As a kid, I thought it was patronizing that a bunch of people wearing red masks would be confused with what everyone in the media recognized as being mutant turtles. Maybe I was just precocious as a kid, I don't know, but I always found stuff like that in cartoons to be an insult to my intelligence.