I hate Old Cartoon vs. New Cartoon Discussions.

Ghidorah2000 · 06-02-2003, 08:37 AM

Ok. This really drives me crazy in other forums when people compare the Classic Series to the new Cartoon. To me it is like comparing apples and oranges. The main purpose of the original show was to appeal to children and not the hardcore comic fans. I think those who become self riteous in that matter forget that little fact. Don't get me wrong. I love the new show. But on the other hand I can see the 80's cartoon for what it was, good, clean tongue in cheek fun. I mean to me bringing up the topic of Old Cartoon vs. New Cartoon is bad form along the lines of Godzilla vs. King Kong, Joel Hodgson vs. Mike Nelson, etc. And no my intention in this thread is not to start a flame war. I just wanted to make my thoughts known on the either/or perception concerning the turtles in the animated cartoon medium.

**Karpo_007** · 06-02-2003, 09:31 AM

I feel the same way. There is no way the comparions would be fair, the time between the two shows is to big. It wasn't ment to have a deep plot or character develoment, if you missed an episode, it didn't mean a thing. These two shows are from two diffrent times and have totally diffrent format. While the old show was about slapstick humour, new show is about action and story telling.

Its like comparing Matrix reloaded to American Pie. Those two movie can't be compared, but people can still say wich they like more. Some like the action genre, some like comedy.

*Cascadia* · 06-02-2003, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Karpo_007

I feel the same way. There is no way the comparions would be fair, the time between the two shows is to big. It wasn't ment to have a deep plot or character develoment, if you missed an episode, it didn't mean a thing. These two shows are from two diffrent times and have totally diffrent format. While the old show was about slapstick humour, new show is about action and story telling.

Its like comparing Matrix reloaded to American Pie. Those two movie can't be compared, but people can still say wich they like more. Some like the action genre, some like comedy.

I agree....the two cartoons are very good but they are from different decades. How the two shows are ran are totally different from the other one. However, they are ran very well in the respectful decades. The slapstick comedy for the classic TMNT cartoon was appropriate for the late 1980s-early 1990s. Whereas, the newer cartoon works very well with current times.

**GK Punk** · 06-02-2003, 12:00 PM

Yeah there are plenty of us that feel both shows were great, and served their purpouses well. I for one STILL love the old show as much as the new one. (In fact I start loving the old one more and more with every episode I re-watch)

I guess for some reason people tend to think,one HAS to be better than the other, it's like those conversations about which Video Game system is better. Can't we just say they are all good and have their own merrits?

That applies to Old Series vs New Series discussions as well imo

*Tetsu Deinonychus* · 06-02-2003, 12:49 PM

The concepts themselves were totally different.

Old Cartoon : A brand new universe for the kids to explore with the TMNT characters.

New Cartoon : A TMNT animated series that's actually based on the original comics!

Both are great! I prefer new one, though. But I love both!

BTW Oranges are jucier but Apples are easier to eat!

*That Matt Guy* · 06-02-2003, 01:37 PM

I love the old toon, it's like an old friend. The new toon is good, but I don't have time for it.

Ghidorah2000 · 06-02-2003, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TetsuDeinonychus

The concepts themselves were totally different.

Old Cartoon : A brand new universe for the kids to explore with the TMNT characters.

New Cartoon : A TMNT animated series that's actually based on the original comics!

Both are great! I prefer new one, though. But I love both!

BTW Oranges are jucier but Apples are easier to eat!

But the acidity in oranges gives me heartburn.

Anyways, I was thinking that Mirage should put out a FAQ, if they already haven't, concerning this very issue much like Best Brains has asked people politely not to start Joel vs. Mike flamewars in forums on their Official Website for the show.

*Deathknight* · 06-02-2003, 03:32 PM

The new and old cartoon are completely different because of the eras of when they aired. The old TMNT was mostly about humor because of stupid parents who complained about how "violent" it already was. I mean, they completely do away with Mikey's chucks because they're "too violent" (like swords and sais aren't.) I guess you could say nunchuks are easy to mimic or some crap like that but it's just stupid to get rid of them completely. I am very happy to see Mikey using his chucks again in the new series and he will hopefully keep them this time instead of using that useless grappling hook that never did crap. You can see how much different times have become since the old series was on which is why the new series is like it is.

Ghidorah2000 · 06-02-2003, 04:41 PM

I gotta admit I do miss the idiocy of Bebop and Rocksteady though. Actually I would have liked to have seen the Jim Henson Creature Shop versions of them in the movies, but then I got a good look at what a real warthog looks like and Bebop would look even more freakish than his cartoon self. It's gives me shivers thinking about it.

You tell me that wouldn't look pretty ugly and freakish in an anthropomorphic sense.

~~PWDESAI~~ · 06-02-2003, 05:44 PM

Mon Jun 02, 2003 8:37 am
I hate Old Cartoon vs. New Cartoon Discussions.
Hate is such a strong word...

I would say they look pretty ugly and freakish in reality

But seriously, where's the love? Warthog's have feelings too ya know.

*Jephael* · 06-02-2003, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghidorah2000

I gotta admit I do miss the idiocy of Bebop and Rocksteady though. Actually I would have liked to have seen the Jim Henson Creature Shop versions of them in the movies, but then I got a good look at what a real warthog looks like and Bebop would look even more freakish than his cartoon self. It's gives me shivers thinking about it.

You tell me that wouldn't look pretty ugly and freakish in an anthropomorphic sense.

Hey just look at the pig faced freak they had in the first Power Ranger movie. That was most likely what Bebip would've looked like. Now a rhino on the other hand would'nt be too bad an idea.

Ghidorah2000 · 06-02-2003, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by PWDESAI

Mon Jun 02, 2003 8:37 am
I hate Old Cartoon vs. New Cartoon Discussions.
Hate is such a strong word...

I would say they look pretty ugly and freakish in reality

But seriously, where's the love? Warthog's have feelings too ya know.

Well just imagine that thing with shades, a nose ring and purple mohawk with a human body wearing a bondage collar, chains and leathers. Scary!

Ghidorah2000 · 06-02-2003, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jephael

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Originally Posted by Ghidorah2000

I gotta admit I do miss the idiocy of Bebop and Rocksteady though. Actually I would have liked to have seen the Jim Henson Creature Shop versions of them in the movies, but then I got a good look at what a real warthog looks like and Bebop would look even more freakish than his cartoon self. It's gives me shivers thinking about it.

You tell me that wouldn't look pretty ugly and freakish in an anthropomorphic sense.

Hey just look at the pig faced freak they had in the first Power Ranger movie. That was most likely what Bebip would've looked like. Now a rhino on the other hand would'nt be too bad an idea.

I'd think Jim Henson's Creature shop could do Bebop 100 times better than Saban's crappy paper mache creature shop.

~~Tokka-B~~ · 06-02-2003, 06:56 PM

That's not nice. I bet you look ugly, freakish, and smell bad to him.

~~PWDESAI~~ · 06-02-2003, 07:02 PM

Or would it be smell good, which is bad to him. Well unless you have massive B.O. Then you don't deserve to talk

Ghidorah2000 · 06-02-2003, 07:11 PM

Well I don't know. I've been to the zoo and warthogs smell pretty bad but Rhino's smell even worse.

Diesel420 · 06-02-2003, 08:08 PM

Well I've seen Rhinos in zoos and they don't smeel too good I agree. Have yet to see a Warthog.

Ghidorah2000 · 06-02-2003, 08:28 PM

I have seen warthogs. They smell bad but not as bad as Rhinos.

~~Reznorite420~~ · 06-02-2003, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by grunger_kittie

Yeah there are plenty of us that feel both shows were great, and served their purpouses well. I for one STILL love the old show as much as the new one. (In fact I start loving the old one more and more with every episode I re-watch)

I guess for some reason people tend to think,one HAS to be better than the other, it's like those conversations about which Video Game system is better. Can't we just say they are all good and have their own merrits?

That applies to Old Series vs New Series discussions as well imo

Took the words right out of my mouth, GK.

Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan · 06-03-2003, 08:18 AM

Even though the "Old Cartoon vs. New Cartoon" argument has been beaten more than a government mule, you have to admit that it has spawned some pretty good discussions.

Now it's just tiresome.

"I rest my case." - Krang, from "Mutagen Monster"

06-02-2003, 08:37 AM	#1
Ghidorah2000 Foot Soldier Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Monster Island Posts: 189	I hate Old Cartoon vs. New Cartoon Discussions. Ok. This really drives me crazy in other forums when people compare the Classic Series to the new Cartoon. To me it is like comparing apples and oranges. The main purpose of the original show was to appeal to children and not the hardcore comic fans. I think those who become self riteous in that matter forget that little fact. Don't get me wrong. I love the new show. But on the other hand I can see the 80's cartoon for what it was, good, clean tongue in cheek fun. I mean to me bringing up the topic of Old Cartoon vs. New Cartoon is bad form along the lines of Godzilla vs. King Kong, Joel Hodgson vs. Mike Nelson, etc. And no my intention in this thread is not to start a flame war. I just wanted to make my thoughts known on the either/or perception concerning the turtles in the animated cartoon medium.

06-02-2003, 12:49 PM	#5
Tetsu Deinonychus The Iron Dinosaur Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Studio Snowlion HQ Posts: 3,021	The concepts themselves were totally different. Old Cartoon : A brand new universe for the kids to explore with the TMNT characters. New Cartoon : A TMNT animated series that's actually based on the original comics! Both are great! I prefer new one, though. But I love both! BTW Oranges are jucier but Apples are easier to eat! __________________ (Image hosting by Postimage.org) And here's a list of all my old wacky threads!

06-02-2003, 03:32 PM	#8
Deathknight Mad Scientist Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: One of the 972 rooms of the technodrome Posts: 1,995	The new and old cartoon are completely different because of the eras of when they aired. The old TMNT was mostly about humor because of stupid parents who complained about how "violent" it already was. I mean, they completely do away with Mikey's chucks because they're "too violent" (like swords and sais aren't.) I guess you could say nunchuks are easy to mimic or some crap like that but it's just stupid to get rid of them completely. I am very happy to see Mikey using his chucks again in the new series and he will hopefully keep them this time instead of using that useless grappling hook that never did crap. You can see how much different times have become since the old series was on which is why the new series is like it is. __________________ Shredder: "Ninja hall of fame? Ha! Where's MY statue?!" -My Brother, the Bad Guy

06-02-2003, 08:08 PM	#17
Diesel420 Mouser Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 7	Well I've seen Rhinos in zoos and they don't smeel too good I agree. Have yet to see a Warthog. __________________

06-02-2003, 08:28 PM	#18
Ghidorah2000 Foot Soldier Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Monster Island Posts: 189	I have seen warthogs. They smell bad but not as bad as Rhinos. __________________ Tom Servo: It's just a simple matter of "What the h* is going on?!"**

06-02-2003, 09:31 AM	#2
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	I feel the same way. There is no way the comparions would be fair, the time between the two shows is to big. It wasn't ment to have a deep plot or character develoment, if you missed an episode, it didn't mean a thing. These two shows are from two diffrent times and have totally diffrent format. While the old show was about slapstick humour, new show is about action and story telling. Its like comparing Matrix reloaded to American Pie. Those two movie can't be compared, but people can still say wich they like more. Some like the action genre, some like comedy.

06-02-2003, 12:00 PM	#4
GK Punk I'm your Devil Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,439	Yeah there are plenty of us that feel both shows were great, and served their purpouses well. I for one STILL love the old show as much as the new one. (In fact I start loving the old one more and more with every episode I re-watch) I guess for some reason people tend to think,one HAS to be better than the other, it's like those conversations about which Video Game system is better. Can't we just say they are all good and have their own merrits? That applies to Old Series vs New Series discussions as well imo

06-02-2003, 01:37 PM	#6
That Matt Guy Honey Bunches Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lone Star State Posts: 5,840	I love the old toon, it's like an old friend. The new toon is good, but I don't have time for it.

06-02-2003, 04:41 PM	#9
Ghidorah2000 Foot Soldier Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Monster Island Posts: 189	I gotta admit I do miss the idiocy of Bebop and Rocksteady though. Actually I would have liked to have seen the Jim Henson Creature Shop versions of them in the movies, but then I got a good look at what a real warthog looks like and Bebop would look even more freakish than his cartoon self. It's gives me shivers thinking about it. You tell me that wouldn't look pretty ugly and freakish in an anthropomorphic sense.

06-02-2003, 05:44 PM	#10
~~PWDESAI~~ Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,873	Mon Jun 02, 2003 8:37 am I hate Old Cartoon vs. New Cartoon Discussions. Hate is such a strong word... I would say they look pretty ugly and freakish in reality But seriously, where's the love? Warthog's have feelings too ya know.

06-02-2003, 06:56 PM	#14
~~Tokka-B~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Lost Sewer Posts: 1,829	That's not nice. I bet you look ugly, freakish, and smell bad to him.

06-02-2003, 07:02 PM	#15
~~PWDESAI~~ Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,873	Or would it be smell good, which is bad to him. Well unless you have massive B.O. Then you don't deserve to talk

06-02-2003, 07:11 PM	#16
Ghidorah2000 Foot Soldier Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Monster Island Posts: 189	Well I don't know. I've been to the zoo and warthogs smell pretty bad but Rhino's smell even worse.

06-03-2003, 08:18 AM	#20
Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan Stone Warrior Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: USA Posts: 835	Even though the "Old Cartoon vs. New Cartoon" argument has been beaten more than a government mule, you have to admit that it has spawned some pretty good discussions. Now it's just tiresome. "I rest my case." - Krang, from "Mutagen Monster"