Ch'rell or Venus

Keldor1578 · 01-17-2013, 07:24 PM

Which of these two character do you feel was more controversial?

*Powder* · 01-17-2013, 07:26 PM

In the moment, Ch'rell. Legacy wise, Venus.

*MikeandRaph87* · 01-17-2013, 07:28 PM

I feel like the Chr'ell concept made Shredder not really Shredder in the 2003 cartoon in a subconscious amaglamation(sp?) of Shredder and Krang and as much as I dislike the concept along with making a oneoff clone Rat King . Venus is a female turtle shoehorned in out of nowhere and really hurts the concept of all male mutant turtles 4 TMNT and maybe a bizarro mutant turtle. She is one of the two things TMNT I pretend don't exist.

*Jephael* · 01-17-2013, 07:31 PM

I thought Venus was actually an interesting idea for a character, but just poorly executed. Utrom Shredder on the other hand was just a dumb way to get around the head chopping scene in "Return to New York".

*Drose18* · 01-17-2013, 07:41 PM

I like chrell hes cooool better than 87 shredder

*CyberCubed* · 01-17-2013, 08:05 PM

Ch'rell is a very popular character as the 4kids Shredder when he was Oroku Saki , maybe not so much as an Utrom without his "human persona."

Venus is one of the most hated characters in the most hated TMNT incarnation. Pretty obvious.

*pannoni1* · 01-18-2013, 08:31 AM

Ch'rell tends to get a pass since the show was already three seasons in, and using Utrom powers was a good way to get around the idea of Shredder coming back to life. He wasn't disliked by Peter/Kevin either.

Venus on the other hand was just as a way to woo the preteen/teenage audience who watched the OT as a cute concept along with having the Power Rangers concept of 5 against one big monster. If Venus' origin was more clearly explained, her story could have been more respectable.

grungethemovie · 01-18-2013, 09:12 AM

venus is fanfic material XD

though i'm not crazy about 4k, ch'rell is a cool concept (AMALGAMATION) shredder+krang combo at least served as a nice little twist in turtles forever XD

**Jester** · 01-18-2013, 09:33 AM

Utrom "powers"? Is that like a trained ninja having (and losing) "Turtle Powers"?

TurtleFan2012 · 01-18-2013, 11:46 AM

I find it funny that Ch'rell just happened to have the same voice and personality of the Tengu Shredder.....what of the odds lol? With Cyber Shredder, I can see Ch'rell programming his personality and voice into it.

Yes, Ch'rell as an utrom had a chipmunk voice in secret origin, but that was later ignored in future episodes.

*Icebot* · 01-18-2013, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TurtleFan2012

I find it funny that Ch'rell just happened to have the same voice and personality of the Tengu Shredder.....what of the odds lol? With Cyber Shredder, I can see Ch'rell programming his personality and voice into it.

Yes, Ch'rell as an utrom had a chipmunk voice in secret origin, but that was later ignored in future episodes.

I figured Ch'rell must have programmed the Shredder suit to use Tengu Shredder's voice. How and why Ch'rell's utrom outside Shredder suit voice has changed has always been a mystery to me.

I like Ch'rell better than Venus.

DonatelloNinja82 · 01-18-2013, 03:59 PM

Ch'rell never has bothered me that much. He fit in with the show IMO.

Venus...no...just no.

Pterobat · 01-18-2013, 06:49 PM

Venus was, figuratively and literally, stupid.

I've got no problems with mutant female characters, but not somebody painfully naive and with weird shell-boobs, shoehorned into the regular Turtles dynamic.

Ch'rell is fine. His being an Utrom doesn't negate his capabilities as a villain one bit, and I think he was one of the breakout things about 4Kids. An interesting idea that played out just fine, bringing separate parts of the Mirage continuity (Shredder and Utroms) together and making it work.

***First of Two Latin Kings*** · 01-18-2013, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jephael

Utrom Shredder on the other hand was just a dumb way to get around the head chopping scene in "Return to New York".

You're like the kid at the beginning of Jurassic Park who compares Velociraptor to a Turkey.

TurtleFan2012 · 01-19-2013, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Pterobat

Venus was, figuratively and literally, stupid.

I've got no problems with mutant female characters, but not somebody painfully naive and with weird shell-boobs, shoehorned into the regular Turtles dynamic.

Ch'rell is fine. His being an Utrom doesn't negate his capabilities as a villain one bit, and I think he was one of the breakout things about 4Kids. An interesting idea that played out just fine, bringing separate parts of the Mirage continuity (Shredder and Utroms) together and making it work.

When you stop and think about it, both the 2003 cartoon and OT feature 4 mutant turtles battling a brain-like space warlord. We see Shredder as a human ninja master in so many versions, why can't the 2003 series do something different for a change?

*miru* · 01-19-2013, 10:35 AM

I wuv Venus. Reminds me of Blaze from Sonic the Hedgehog. I want her to return on the Nick show, maybe mutated from spike. Ch'rell on the other hand... he's disgusting. Killed millions, took over New York, and even tried to destroy all of existence. Kinda like SATAM Robotnik. Worst of all, because we were okay with Ch'Rell, Michael Bay tried to turn the Turtles into aliens.

TurtleFan2012 · 01-24-2013, 02:23 PM

Weren't the turtles sexist at one point in Next Mutation? My memory is bad, but wasn't Ralph angry that he was beaten by a girl(Venus) in one episode, knowing Ralph's ego? You know shows where the guy characters will diss the token girl character because....well.....she is a girl?

*Whatswiththeheadbands?* · 10-22-2013, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by miru

I wuv Venus. Reminds me of Blaze from Sonic the Hedgehog. I want her to return on the Nick show, maybe mutated from spike. Ch'rell on the other hand... he's disgusting. Killed millions, took over New York, and even tried to destroy all of existence. Kinda like SATAM Robotnik. Worst of all, because we were okay with Ch'Rell, Michael Bay tried to turn the Turtles into aliens.

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Technogeek29 · 10-22-2013, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by miru

I wuv Venus. Reminds me of Blaze from Sonic the Hedgehog. I want her to return on the Nick show, maybe mutated from spike. Ch'rell on the other hand... he's disgusting. Killed millions, took over New York, and even tried to destroy all of existence. Kinda like SATAM Robotnik. Worst of all, because we were okay with Ch'Rell, Michael Bay tried to turn the Turtles into aliens.

Not sure if serious...

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Originally Posted by TurtleFan2012

Weren't the turtles sexist at one point in Next Mutation? My memory is bad, but wasn't Ralph angry that he was beaten by a girl(Venus) in one episode, knowing Ralph's ego? You know shows where the guy characters will diss the token girl character because....well.....she is a girl?

Alot of the episodes tend to play that sub plot. Venus is a girl she is different there fore she doesn't fit in. It was nice the first few times because yeah she didn't fit in. But almost every episode ugh.

*BubblyShell22* · 10-22-2013, 03:11 PM

I think the answer should be obvious. Ch'rell is better than Venus by a long shot.

01-17-2013, 07:24 PM	#1
Keldor1578 Hench Mutant Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 265	Ch'rell or Venus Which of these two character do you feel was more controversial?

01-17-2013, 07:28 PM	#3
MikeandRaph87 Jedi Master Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: JLA Satellite Headquarters Posts: 11,185	I feel like the Chr'ell concept made Shredder not really Shredder in the 2003 cartoon in a subconscious amaglamation(sp?) of Shredder and Krang and as much as I dislike the concept along with making a oneoff clone Rat King . Venus is a female turtle shoehorned in out of nowhere and really hurts the concept of all male mutant turtles 4 TMNT and maybe a bizarro mutant turtle. She is one of the two things TMNT I pretend don't exist. __________________ Michelangelo: This looks like a job for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles! Raphael: Sheesh, Mikey this ain't a cartoon! Last edited by MikeandRaph87; 01-17-2013 at 07:41 PM.

01-17-2013, 07:31 PM	#4
Jephael That whack job behind you Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania Posts: 8,143	I thought Venus was actually an interesting idea for a character, but just poorly executed. Utrom Shredder on the other hand was just a dumb way to get around the head chopping scene in "Return to New York". __________________ "I like it. Simple, but effective!" Raphael; The Mean Machines - 1988

01-18-2013, 08:31 AM	#7
pannoni1 Foot Elite Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: USA Posts: 3,447	Ch'rell tends to get a pass since the show was already three seasons in, and using Utrom powers was a good way to get around the idea of Shredder coming back to life. He wasn't disliked by Peter/Kevin either. Venus on the other hand was just as a way to woo the preteen/teenage audience who watched the OT as a cute concept along with having the Power Rangers concept of 5 against one big monster. If Venus' origin was more clearly explained, her story could have been more respectable. __________________ http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/sho...d.php?t=37065- MY WANT LIST TMNT FAN CLUB LINK: http://sot.ag/gCjK/ 30 years of Turtle Power!

01-18-2013, 09:12 AM	#8
grungethemovie Foot Soldier Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 231	venus is fanfic material XD though i'm not crazy about 4k, ch'rell is a cool concept (AMALGAMATION) shredder+krang combo at least served as a nice little twist in turtles forever XD __________________ hugohugo.deviantart.com/ facebook.com/hugo.dourado grungethemovie on figurerealm.com redbubble

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Ch'rell	13	26.00%
Venus	37	74.00%
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01-17-2013, 07:26 PM	#2
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,945	In the moment, Ch'rell. Legacy wise, Venus.

01-17-2013, 07:41 PM	#5
Drose18 The Catalina Wine Mixer Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,865	I like chrell hes cooool better than 87 shredder

01-17-2013, 08:05 PM	#6
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,746	Ch'rell is a very popular character as the 4kids Shredder when he was Oroku Saki , maybe not so much as an Utrom without his "human persona." Venus is one of the most hated characters in the most hated TMNT incarnation. Pretty obvious.

01-18-2013, 09:33 AM	#9
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,294	Utrom "powers"? Is that like a trained ninja having (and losing) "Turtle Powers"? __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

01-18-2013, 11:46 AM	#10
TurtleFan2012 Hench Mutant Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 300	I find it funny that Ch'rell just happened to have the same voice and personality of the Tengu Shredder.....what of the odds lol? With Cyber Shredder, I can see Ch'rell programming his personality and voice into it. Yes, Ch'rell as an utrom had a chipmunk voice in secret origin, but that was later ignored in future episodes.

01-18-2013, 03:59 PM	#12
DonatelloNinja82 Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,345	Ch'rell never has bothered me that much. He fit in with the show IMO. Venus...no...just no. __________________ Michelangelo: Holy guacamole with hot sauce and jalapenos!

01-18-2013, 06:49 PM	#13
Pterobat Hench Mutant Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 380	Venus was, figuratively and literally, stupid. I've got no problems with mutant female characters, but not somebody painfully naive and with weird shell-boobs, shoehorned into the regular Turtles dynamic. Ch'rell is fine. His being an Utrom doesn't negate his capabilities as a villain one bit, and I think he was one of the breakout things about 4Kids. An interesting idea that played out just fine, bringing separate parts of the Mirage continuity (Shredder and Utroms) together and making it work. __________________ "No live organism can continue for long to exist sanely under conditions of absolute reality; even larks and katydids are supposed, by some, to dream"--Shirley Jackson http://pterobat.tumblr.com

01-19-2013, 10:35 AM	#16
miru Mad Scientist Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,874	I wuv Venus. Reminds me of Blaze from Sonic the Hedgehog. I want her to return on the Nick show, maybe mutated from spike. Ch'rell on the other hand... he's disgusting. Killed millions, took over New York, and even tried to destroy all of existence. Kinda like SATAM Robotnik. Worst of all, because we were okay with Ch'Rell, Michael Bay tried to turn the Turtles into aliens.

01-24-2013, 02:23 PM	#17
TurtleFan2012 Hench Mutant Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 300	Weren't the turtles sexist at one point in Next Mutation? My memory is bad, but wasn't Ralph angry that he was beaten by a girl(Venus) in one episode, knowing Ralph's ego? You know shows where the guy characters will diss the token girl character because....well.....she is a girl?

10-22-2013, 03:11 PM	#20
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	I think the answer should be obvious. Ch'rell is better than Venus by a long shot. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.