Are the Turtles still aliens?

[gzilla46]

I wasn't really following progress of this movie. I was more focused on the Godzilla reboot. How's the TMNT movie doing? The Turtles aren't aliens anymore, are they?

[Donatello19]

I honestly don't think they were ever aliens. I'm pretty sure Michael Bay meant they came from an alien race in the fact that the ooze that mutated them came from an alien race.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Donatello19

I honestly don't think they were ever aliens. I'm pretty sure Michael Bay meant they came from an alien race in the fact that the ooze that mutated them came from an alien race.

The actual script that was trashed had them as aliens. Also had Shredder as an alien but instead of an Utrom he was like a humanoid alien with spikes or something.

[Jephael]

Some are saying that script was entirely fabricated to make Michael Bay and his production team look bad.

[Zulithe]

I've only read an overview of the old script. We don't know how much has changed... hopefully it has changed substantially.

Turtles mutated by an alien substance... good
Turtles physically originating from a planet that is not our earth... NOT good!

I'm fine with some changes being made... every time a new turtle show or movie or comic relaunch comes out, things change. but there are some things that should be constants. The TMNT *are* turtles from our planet that came into contact with a mutagen ooze that was created by or in consort with aliens! Please don't change it. The fact that the turtles are FROM earth is what makes them 'our' heroes and relatable. If they are from another planet it changes them totally.

[Bob]

I can’t imagine it would have changed substantially for the simple reason that we didn’t hear of any new writers coming on board. Michael Bay is a liar. Any Transformers fans who have been following his posts since 2005 will testify to that. I have no doubt that the leaked script was written by the Mission Impossible writers. I’m pretty sure some changes would have been made, as that script did appear to be a very early draft. Scripts are constantly changing. However, I really don’ t think any changes would be so big as to eject the alien angle. That plot point was a pretty integral component to the film. Getting rid of it would pretty much mean starting from scratch, which they certainly didn’t do because, as I said, no new writer(s) came on board once the film was delayed. I still think the delay was to get the budget down more than the studio thinking the script had problems.

Basically, I will be very surprised if the Turtles aren’t aliens in the finished film.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by Zulithe

Turtles mutated by an alien substance... good
Turtles physically originating from a planet that is not our earth... NOT good!

Of course. That doctrine is among the most basical elements of any TMNT universe (I always wished "Secret of the Ooze" actually went that way, with Jordan Perry as a friend of the Utroms).

[Longview01]

Originally Posted by Jephael

Some are saying that script was entirely fabricated to make Michael Bay and his production team look bad.

But they do such a good job themselves...why bother

[Shark_Blade]

If they are aliens, Bay and the team will get what's coming for them.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Jephael

Some are saying that script was entirely fabricated to make Michael Bay and his production team look bad.

I think so, too. It had a couple of good things about it, but overall I can't believe a hollywood writer could pass that **** off and expect a paycheck.

[CyberCubed]

I don't even understand why they made Casey the main character. Its as if they thought the Turtles themselves weren't relateable to the audience so they made Casey the main lead as a normal young adult hero.

And what they did with Shredder was awful.

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

Of course. That doctrine is among the most basical elements of any TMNT universe (I always wished "Secret of the Ooze" actually went that way, with Jordan Perry as a friend of the Utroms).

pretty sure Perry was meant to be an Utrom. But it was scrapped due to cost, and the mis-connection to Krang

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

pretty sure Perry was meant to be an Utrom. But it was scrapped due to cost, and the mis-connection to Krang

Jordan Perry was probably misstaken with Baxter Stockman. But could you acutally do that in a live-action movie in 1991 (so that it was an Utrom)?

[Candy Kappa]

Animatronics, just like the moving turtle heads. If I remember correctly it was meant to be a revelation at the end of the movie, so no utrom through out the whole film

[NinjaMan]

I haven't read it but how was Shredder handle? And the Turtles actually came from a planet of Turtles or animals in general?

[Xav]

Originally Posted by Jephael

Some are saying that script was entirely fabricated to make Michael Bay and his production team look bad.

Bay said the script was shredded, and written before he came on board, if it was fake why didn't he just say so like he did with the Transformers 4 script?

[Slap-Happy]

Originally Posted by Xav

Bay said the script was shredded, and written before he came on board

That's a lie. The script is written by Appelbaum and Nemec, and dated January. Those guys came on after Platinum Dunes came on to do the movie a couple years ago.

[Xav]

Yes but here's his official response

To end this stupid merry go round and explain the math...Yes we signed on two years ago to Turtles, but with no deal in place. Deal completed towards end of last year. And yes, thats how long deals sometimes take. So no work was done on the script. Blame Paramount, not us for the first draft.

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I don't even understand why they made Casey the main character. Its as if they thought the Turtles themselves weren't relateable to the audience so they made Casey the main lead as a normal young adult hero.

And what they did with Shredder was awful.

whats strange is thats what they did with Transformers, so I would not doubt anythine coming out of hollywood

[sgtfbomb]

Originally Posted by NinjaMan

I haven't read it but how was Shredder handle? And the Turtles actually came from a planet of Turtles or animals in general?

Shredder was probably the most disappointing aspect of the script. I have no problem with changing the character, but, essentially, it's not really the same character. He's an alien/inter-dimensional being that poses as a human colonel, infiltrating the army with his own faction. He changes form and has a spiky body, if I remember right. His name was Col. Schrader.

If I remember right, it was less of an alien planet or more of an alternate dimension, rifting over into our world. Essentially, imagine if the Turtles themselves were born in Dimension X. Krang is a dictator and if I recall he wants to cross over into our world and dominate it. There are turtle people, and apparently, since Splinter knew their parents, rat people. This is all fine and dandy, except there is some lame prophecy crap.

But this irrelevant because everything has most likely changed, re-tooled, or fleshed out, since this was an early draft. Early drafts are often godawful.