TMNT IV, The Next Mutation (the movie)

Shreddhead · 06-15-2013, 07:44 PM

From what I understand, the fourth ninja turtles film was going to be titled "The Next Mutation" and would have featured drastic alterations to existing characters as well as introducing new ones such as Kirby. The film evetually got stuck in production limbo and cancelled but I know there has since been some leaked concept art and possibly some details about the script. Does anyone have any more info or images about this could have been film?

*CyberCubed* · 06-15-2013, 07:46 PM

Ironic though that the "name" was saved for the TV show, and the "new mutations" wound up being a storyline in Seasons 9 and 10 of the show, just without Splinter mutating too.

So in reality they did use a lot of concepts from this canceled movie.

saul · 06-15-2013, 07:58 PM

There are other threads somewhere on here already about this topic.
The basic story for the fourth movie seems to have been the Turtles meeting a fifth Turtle, Kirby, from another dimension; a parallel version of New York.

The bad guy I think is named Spyder, and has some kind of electronic powers. Casey is involved. I'm guessing the plot involves them stopping the bad guy from invading the real New York city.

Shreddhead · 06-15-2013, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by saul

There are other threads somewhere on here already about this topic.
The basic story for the fourth movie seems to have been the Turtles meeting a fifth Turtle, Kirby, from another dimension; a parallel version of New York.

The bad guy I think is named Spyder, and has some kind of electronic powers. Casey is involved. I'm guessing the plot involves them stopping the bad guy from invading the real New York city.

I tried searching for other threads but only came across NExt Mutation tv show ones. I had heard about the Spyder bad guy, and I think i saw some concept art of him a while ago too ( bald guy with stripes or something like that).

And ya CC, its interesting how certain elements like the "next mutation" title and idea were used in future installments of Turtle media.

*Galactus* · 06-15-2013, 08:22 PM

I've often felt a lot of the information about what would have been the fourth film in the live action series to be conflated by fans.

There seemed to be quite a few different pitches most notably from the pictures you posted one were the turtles and Splinter experience secondary mutations given them unqiue powers and abilities.

The pitch that almost got made was was a very loose adaption of Donatello #1. It would include all the turtles and instead of them journeying to a Jack Kirby Fourth Wold inspired dimension they would go a to dark gothic world ruled by an evil empress played by Julie Strain. It also would include a fifth turtle called Kirby.

There were apparently tons of scripts for this but Eastman & Laird both agreed they were all crap and Laird wrote a twenty page treatment to help steer writers in the right direction but still got nothing good back. There's quite a bit of Eastman concept art for Kirby and potential villains. I've also read (though never seen) that there's concept art by Michael Dooney featuring turtles wearing armor.

Beyond those two pitches Steve Barron at some point threw his hat into the ring. There's quite a bit of cocept art for the four turtles who would occasionaly wear human clothes but little in the way to indicate what he had in mind for the plot (if indeed he had anything in mind). The only thing was that there was a fifth armored turtle which I personaly believe to be that movies Shredder.

During the Next Mutation TV series there was supposed to be movie including Venus and then after the series was canned Venus was removed.

Welmanshire · 06-15-2013, 08:46 PM

I searched "4th tmnt film kirby" and the threads were in the top results. I would have been excited to see Barron back at the helm. It's a shame the writers couldn't come up with something more solid, as I feel it would have been a better film than the thrid installment at least...

Lord Nightwalker · 06-16-2013, 07:40 PM

Those concept pics of Raph, Don, and Splinter are actualy from the Mirage comics. They were going to have them go through a "next mutation" but that never fell through. I used to get a little news letter from Mirage back in the days when they had a subscription service and this was covered in one of them. Then they stopped TMNT at Mirage for a time and while Image was doing their thing, this concept went by the way side.

I'd like to see Kirby show up somewhere in an official capacity. Whether it be in the IDW series or the Nick toon. Or even as a video game charachter.

And I realy wish that Hallmark would have given the ok to show the concept art and ect. for their nixed TMNT project.

*Shark_Blade* · 06-16-2013, 09:52 PM

Thank God it got canned.

*Galactus* · 06-16-2013, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord Nightwalker

Those concept pics of Raph, Don, and Splinter are actualy from the Mirage comics. They were going to have them go through a "next mutation" but that never fell through. I used to get a little news letter from Mirage back in the days when they had a subscription service and this was covered in one of them. Then they stopped TMNT at Mirage for a time and while Image was doing their thing, this concept went by the way side.

Really? I'm sure Laird confirmed that they were for a pitch for the fourth live action feature twice. Once on his Blast From The Past section of his old Planet Racers site and then again on his blog were he concedes Splinter's mutation to be a lame idea.

I suppose he and Eastman could have at some point want to have done this in the comics also. We know the similar Super Turtles idea that eventualy was used in Vol.4 and the 4Kids series was an idea for a comic series around that time so it's not impossible but they were definitely for the movie.

Welmanshire · 06-16-2013, 10:09 PM

http://tmntentity.blogspot.com.au/20...hat-never.html

That blog has heaps of info.

*Powder* · 06-16-2013, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Nightwalker

Those concept pics of Raph, Don, and Splinter are actualy from the Mirage comics. They were going to have them go through a "next mutation" but that never fell through. I used to get a little news letter from Mirage back in the days when they had a subscription service and this was covered in one of them. Then they stopped TMNT at Mirage for a time and while Image was doing their thing, this concept went by the way side.

Completely wrong. They were drawn & developed by the Mirage gang, sure, but they were never intended for the comics. Just the film.

Lord Nightwalker · 06-17-2013, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Powder

Completely wrong. They were drawn & developed by the Mirage gang, sure, but they were never intended for the comics. Just the film.

Realy. Dose not change the fact their newsletter said otherwise. I'm going to have to dig that up now, and drop Dan an e-mail. Just to be sure my memory isn't going wonky on me.

Shred87 · 06-26-2013, 06:21 PM

Thought id post this here instead of starting a new thread....but am i the only one who regrets that we wont see the followup to the 2007 tmnt?

Welmanshire · 06-27-2013, 05:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shred87

Thought id post this here instead of starting a new thread....but am i the only one who regrets that we wont see the followup to the 2007 tmnt?

Possibly. I'm not particularly a fan of that Turtles movie.

Shred87 · 06-27-2013, 03:49 PM

I just like how it was connected to the first 3 movies. Would have been interested in seeing the foot saga end or a return of super shredder. Im pumped for a new movie but there is a real nostalgia factor with connecting to the live action films.

*Andrew NDB* · 06-27-2013, 03:59 PM

It was originally going to be called "New Generation."

***First of Two Latin Kings*** · 06-27-2013, 08:53 PM

I remember seeing a lot more concept art for this movie, we should post anything we can find to this thread.

Edit: I believe the idea for Raphael's "next mutation" was actually the basis for what happened to him in Volume 4. Eventually, Raph was supposed to return to his normal form, but "hulk" into Ankylosaur form whenever he became angry/needed to defend himself.

**Jester** · 06-27-2013, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welmanshire

http://tmntentity.blogspot.com.au/20...hat-never.html

That blog has heaps of info.

Indeed:
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=33269

*Andrew NDB* · 06-28-2013, 11:10 AM

It's amusing and sad to me that TPTB determined that the only possible way to go after TMNT III was to mutate all of the Turtles into strange and wacky forms and bring in a fifth, extra wacky Turtle. And not... you know... just come up with a good story?

Probably as simple as toy$.

06-15-2013, 08:22 PM	#5
Galactus Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,009	I've often felt a lot of the information about what would have been the fourth film in the live action series to be conflated by fans. There seemed to be quite a few different pitches most notably from the pictures you posted one were the turtles and Splinter experience secondary mutations given them unqiue powers and abilities. The pitch that almost got made was was a very loose adaption of Donatello #1. It would include all the turtles and instead of them journeying to a Jack Kirby Fourth Wold inspired dimension they would go a to dark gothic world ruled by an evil empress played by Julie Strain. It also would include a fifth turtle called Kirby. There were apparently tons of scripts for this but Eastman & Laird both agreed they were all crap and Laird wrote a twenty page treatment to help steer writers in the right direction but still got nothing good back. There's quite a bit of Eastman concept art for Kirby and potential villains. I've also read (though never seen) that there's concept art by Michael Dooney featuring turtles wearing armor. Beyond those two pitches Steve Barron at some point threw his hat into the ring. There's quite a bit of cocept art for the four turtles who would occasionaly wear human clothes but little in the way to indicate what he had in mind for the plot (if indeed he had anything in mind). The only thing was that there was a fifth armored turtle which I personaly believe to be that movies Shredder. During the Next Mutation TV series there was supposed to be movie including Venus and then after the series was canned Venus was removed. Last edited by Galactus; 06-15-2013 at 08:50 PM.

06-15-2013, 08:46 PM	#6
Welmanshire Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 415	I searched "4th tmnt film kirby" and the threads were in the top results. I would have been excited to see Barron back at the helm. It's a shame the writers couldn't come up with something more solid, as I feel it would have been a better film than the thrid installment at least... __________________ Check out my interest thread for screen accurate replicas of Dannys shirti from TMNT 1990

06-16-2013, 10:09 PM	#10
Welmanshire Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 415	http://tmntentity.blogspot.com.au/20...hat-never.html That blog has heaps of info. __________________ Check out my interest thread for screen accurate replicas of Dannys shirti from TMNT 1990

06-27-2013, 03:59 PM	#16
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,546	It was originally going to be called "New Generation." __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

06-28-2013, 11:10 AM	#19
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,546	It's amusing and sad to me that TPTB determined that the only possible way to go after TMNT III was to mutate all of the Turtles into strange and wacky forms and bring in a fifth, extra wacky Turtle. And not... you know... just come up with a good story? Probably as simple as toy$. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ] Last edited by Andrew NDB; 06-28-2013 at 02:16 PM.

06-15-2013, 07:44 PM	#1
Shreddhead Mad Scientist Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 1,470	TMNT IV, The Next Mutation (the movie) From what I understand, the fourth ninja turtles film was going to be titled "The Next Mutation" and would have featured drastic alterations to existing characters as well as introducing new ones such as Kirby. The film evetually got stuck in production limbo and cancelled but I know there has since been some leaked concept art and possibly some details about the script. Does anyone have any more info or images about this could have been film? __________________

06-15-2013, 07:46 PM	#2
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,873	Ironic though that the "name" was saved for the TV show, and the "new mutations" wound up being a storyline in Seasons 9 and 10 of the show, just without Splinter mutating too. So in reality they did use a lot of concepts from this canceled movie.

06-15-2013, 07:58 PM	#3
saul Foot Soldier Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 161	There are other threads somewhere on here already about this topic. The basic story for the fourth movie seems to have been the Turtles meeting a fifth Turtle, Kirby, from another dimension; a parallel version of New York. The bad guy I think is named Spyder, and has some kind of electronic powers. Casey is involved. I'm guessing the plot involves them stopping the bad guy from invading the real New York city.

06-16-2013, 07:40 PM	#7
Lord Nightwalker Stone Warrior Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 698	Those concept pics of Raph, Don, and Splinter are actualy from the Mirage comics. They were going to have them go through a "next mutation" but that never fell through. I used to get a little news letter from Mirage back in the days when they had a subscription service and this was covered in one of them. Then they stopped TMNT at Mirage for a time and while Image was doing their thing, this concept went by the way side. I'd like to see Kirby show up somewhere in an official capacity. Whether it be in the IDW series or the Nick toon. Or even as a video game charachter. And I realy wish that Hallmark would have given the ok to show the concept art and ect. for their nixed TMNT project.

06-16-2013, 09:52 PM	#8
Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,909	Thank God it got canned.

06-26-2013, 06:21 PM	#13
Shred87 Hench Mutant Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 467	Thought id post this here instead of starting a new thread....but am i the only one who regrets that we wont see the followup to the 2007 tmnt?

06-27-2013, 03:49 PM	#15
Shred87 Hench Mutant Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 467	I just like how it was connected to the first 3 movies. Would have been interested in seeing the foot saga end or a return of super shredder. Im pumped for a new movie but there is a real nostalgia factor with connecting to the live action films.