HP OotP Discussion! !*!SPOILERS!*!

Peanut · 06-23-2003, 09:43 PM

Let's discuss! Great book. I'm kinda sad I'm already finished with it. I wasn't predicting the death of Sirius. Although I would have liked him to die in another fashion. (disappearing through some weird door?) Anyone else kinda mad that we probably have to wait another 3 years for the next book?

Loolaa · 06-24-2003, 12:40 AM

Cool! Hp discussion!
I didn't mind the way Sirius died, I think he died as he'd like to go... full of heroics, fighting recklessly for his Godson! Of course what with him being my favourite character and all I just wish he hadn't died at alll!
Plus that curtain thing makes me hope he'll maybe come back... perhaps as a ghost. Or is that just wishful thinking?
Did seem a bit sudden, though. I was expecting it to be Sirius, too, even with all the red herrings and me suddenly thinking it might be someone else, my mind kept going back to Sirius. I've noticed my favourites usually die or vanish in most books/films. Must be Murphy's law.

We mightn't have to wait three years. Hopefully. From what JKRowling has been saying the next book should be shorter, it could be a short wait, like the wait between the other four books. I suppose it depends on how she feels.

I loved Neville in this book, we learnt so much about him and he learn't alot too. He's braver than he realised.

ironhelix · 06-24-2003, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Michaelangelo

Let's discuss! Great book. I'm kinda sad I'm already finished with it. I wasn't predicting the death of Sirius. Although I would have liked him to die in another fashion. (disappearing through some weird door?) Anyone else kinda mad they we probably have to wait another 3 years for the next book?

Waiting so long between books is precisely the reason why I have decided to not read any Harry Potter books until all 7 are done. I will only watch the movies as they are released. I would actually probably start reading one Book 6's release date is announced, since it takes me forever to finish a book, that way by the time number 7 comes out I'll be done.

Did Miss Rowling actually say that there will DEFINITELY be no more Harry books? I certainly think that it would be feasible to continue his adventures outside of school well into his adulthood. I mean, there certainly has to be more stuff to do than just go to school. What's he gonna do after he graduates?

Peanut · 06-24-2003, 08:50 AM

Where all the death things were going I wasn't really expecting Sirius. We all knew there would be a death to one of the main characters. She stuck in little hints of death all over the place. I too enjoyed Neville in this book. He seems to be coming around as one of the more important faces in the book. ironhelix I don't think she'll continue the series after book 7. I'd like her to but I don't think she will. Perhaps she'll had the reins to someone else and let them talk about Harry's life after school. They seem to be hinting to this dark wizard catcher thing, which in this book it was stated he'd need top OWLs in potions to get, of course we all know Harry didn't pull out an O in the potions exam. It'll be interesting to see what happens once all 7 books are finished though.

*Mars-Chan* · 06-24-2003, 11:27 AM

GRRR!!! SHHH!!! Don't tell me how it goes!!! I want it all to be a suprise when it comes out on DVD!!!!!!!

**HorseTechie** · 06-24-2003, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ironhelix

Waiting so long between books is precisely the reason why I have decided to not read any Harry Potter books until all 7 are done. I will only watch the movies as they are released. I would actually probably start reading one Book 6's release date is announced, since it takes me forever to finish a book, that way by the time number 7 comes out I'll be done.

Yeah.... also my reason.

My brother is into these books as well, so I'll just borrow them from him when I find the time. Hopefully. when I do get around to the fifth book, I should have forgotten about all these spoilers I can't seem to not avoid.

Fortunatley, Ron is presently my fav char. Underdogs rule!

But... what is it with all these great and memorable characters dying lately? (At least Sirus went down fighting!)

ironhelix · 06-24-2003, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by HorseTechie

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Originally Posted by ironhelix

Waiting so long between books is precisely the reason why I have decided to not read any Harry Potter books until all 7 are done. I will only watch the movies as they are released. I would actually probably start reading one Book 6's release date is announced, since it takes me forever to finish a book, that way by the time number 7 comes out I'll be done.

Yeah.... also my reason.

My brother is into these books as well, so I'll just borrow them from him when I find the time. Hopefully. when I do get around to the fifth book, I should have forgotten about all these spoilers I can't seem to not avoid.

Fortunatley, Ron is presently my fav char. Underdogs rule!

But... what is it with all these great and memorable characters dying lately? (At least Sirus went down fighting!)

My fav character is Hermione...

*Brodie* · 06-24-2003, 03:34 PM

Shh! I want it to be a surprise for when I never see it!

Peanut · 06-24-2003, 03:57 PM

Why wouldn't you ever see it?

Leo33 · 06-26-2003, 10:20 AM

I havn't read the 5th book yet. Seince the books take so long to come out, I find myself not wanting to read the next book as much as the last.

trisha · 07-01-2003, 09:41 PM

I was a good book, my favorite one so far. I cant wait for the next one. Has JKROWLING hinted about a time when she thinks itll be done???? Too bad sirius died. He was a favorite of mine.

Peanut · 07-01-2003, 09:51 PM

I haven't heard anything about the next book. I'm pretty sure we'll be seeing Sirius back in way form or another. I mean...he fell through a doorway. They never even explained it clearly. My hopes are that he'll be back at some point in time. Of course JK said she was going to kill of a character and that makes me think he's gone for good.

*Mr. Snackpants* · 07-01-2003, 10:05 PM

Was it a doorway???? I thought he went through a curtian or something. I also liked the new book and it was my favorite of all the books. I bet well see Sirius sooner or later. My guess is he will show up in the last book when Harry is fighting You-Know-Who or something and talk to him, kinda like Obi-Wan to Luke "Use the force, Luke." as a voice he hears in his head. Know what I mean??? I dunno, thats my guess. Anyways, I can't wait for the next book to come out, but unfortunatley I think ill be waiting for a while....

Peanut · 07-01-2003, 10:06 PM

Yeah it was some kind of arch. With a blowing curtain.

Mikey the Party Turtle · 07-01-2003, 10:50 PM

Personally, I didn't find Sirius' death that emotional. Dunno, just falling through an archway and dieing doesn't seem very effective to me.

I felt sorry for Harry though, Sirius was the closet thing he had to a relative. Though the whole Second War sounds very promising. Maybe there will be an all-out war with Dumbledore heading one army, and Voldemort leading the other. Hopefully, the Godric Gryffindor sword will be used again. (I hated how it looked like a toothpick in the CoS movie!)

The character I was really expecting to get killed off was either Hermione or Ron. That would've been a big shock, since they are both major characters (I found Siruis to be more of a side character really.....) and that would've fueled Harry's hatred for ol' Tom Riddle WAY more than Siruis' death.

(Do I sense that Harry when is talking to Luna that there is something going to happen between them...?

I bet Ginny + Harry fans are dissapointed with her sudden change of heart.

)

All in all, it was a very good book. It ties with Prisoner of Azkaban for the best book so far in the series.

Peanut · 07-01-2003, 11:32 PM

I was thinking it was gonna be Hagrid who kicked off. Especially with all the beatings he seemed to be taking, and then the whole part where he was chased off by Umbridge. I was pretty sure he was going to die there. Anyone else get a really, REALLY, strong disliking for Umbridge. I mean...I hate Snape and the Malfoy's and all but I really hated Umbridge. It didn't take her long to make my bad list either. It took Snape until about the third book for my real hate for him to come up...Malfoy's the second. Also anyone else not like the LeStrange's (sp?) at all?

Mikey the Party Turtle · 07-02-2003, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Michaelangelo

I was thinking it was gonna be Hagrid who kicked off. Especially with all the beatings he seemed to be taking, and then the whole part where he was chased off by Umbridge. I was pretty sure he was going to die there. Anyone else get a really, REALLY, strong disliking for Umbridge. I mean...I hate Snape and the Malfoy's and all but I really hated Umbridge. It didn't take her long to make my bad list either. It took Snape until about the third book for my real hate for him to come up...Malfoy's the second. Also anyone else not like the LeStrange's (sp?) at all?

JK wrote that character so well. I hated her!

**Barkworm** · 07-02-2003, 01:18 PM

I have just finished the book and I think I got how Sirius died. Do you guys remember when Harry and his friends first saw the veil? Only Harry and Luna heard that whispering (Neville should have heard it, too), and I think it was the whispering of their beloved ones (Luna even later says something like: "You heard them, too, didn't you?") It is highly likely that that arch was a kind of entrance to the world of the dead. Makes sense doesn't it? When Sirius was stunned by Bellatrix he accidentally fell through the portal and was, of course immediately dead! That's why Lupin gave him up at once. What do you think about my theory?
Anyway, I can't way for the next book, even if this one was kinda disappointing (Sirius's death was just so... unworthy).

Peanut · 07-02-2003, 10:27 PM

Yeah that is a really good theory. Makes perfect sense. I thought the death of Sirius was rather unworthy as well. He just kinda...fell...and that's it...I would have rather seen him killed by Voldemort's AK curse, of course he'd be taking the curse after jumping in front of Harry, there by saving his life. I guess that would have been too predictable though.

**Barkworm** · 07-02-2003, 11:56 PM

I wished he could have spoken some last words to Harry, but then again the part when Harry tried to talk to the mirror and when he talked to Nick if Sirius could come back wouldn't have been so sad. I also wished Rowling had killed off someone else, I really digged Sirius. He was that kind of Raphael-character who seems to be tough but is very warmhearted.

06-23-2003, 09:43 PM	#1
Peanut Second Gear Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The New World Posts: 15,422	*HP OotP Discussion! !!SPOILERS!!* Let's discuss! Great book. I'm kinda sad I'm already finished with it. I wasn't predicting the death of Sirius. Although I would have liked him to die in another fashion. (disappearing through some weird door?) Anyone else kinda mad that we probably have to wait another 3 years for the next book?

06-24-2003, 12:40 AM	#2
Loolaa Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,018	Cool! Hp discussion! I didn't mind the way Sirius died, I think he died as he'd like to go... full of heroics, fighting recklessly for his Godson! Of course what with him being my favourite character and all I just wish he hadn't died at alll! Plus that curtain thing makes me hope he'll maybe come back... perhaps as a ghost. Or is that just wishful thinking? Did seem a bit sudden, though. I was expecting it to be Sirius, too, even with all the red herrings and me suddenly thinking it might be someone else, my mind kept going back to Sirius. I've noticed my favourites usually die or vanish in most books/films. Must be Murphy's law. We mightn't have to wait three years. Hopefully. From what JKRowling has been saying the next book should be shorter, it could be a short wait, like the wait between the other four books. I suppose it depends on how she feels. I loved Neville in this book, we learnt so much about him and he learn't alot too. He's braver than he realised. __________________ ...art stuff..

06-24-2003, 11:27 AM	#5
Mars-Chan I'LL BE THE HERO!!!! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Practicing Alchemy in Risembool Posts: 6,297	GRRR!!! SHHH!!! Don't tell me how it goes!!! I want it all to be a suprise when it comes out on DVD!!!!!!! __________________ clings to award THANK YOU!! THANK YOU!!! cries in joy RED DAAAAAAAAAAAAWWN!!!! PROUD Member of the Risembool Rangers! (icon made by bakergirl69 on glitter-graphics)

06-24-2003, 03:34 PM	#8
Brodie Certified Teacher Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Bizarro Metropolis Posts: 6,495	Shh! I want it to be a surprise for when I never see it! __________________ Stupendous Monster

07-02-2003, 01:18 PM	#18
Barkworm Draconian leftist ruler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 6,757	I have just finished the book and I think I got how Sirius died. Do you guys remember when Harry and his friends first saw the veil? Only Harry and Luna heard that whispering (Neville should have heard it, too), and I think it was the whispering of their beloved ones (Luna even later says something like: "You heard them, too, didn't you?") It is highly likely that that arch was a kind of entrance to the world of the dead. Makes sense doesn't it? When Sirius was stunned by Bellatrix he accidentally fell through the portal and was, of course immediately dead! That's why Lupin gave him up at once. What do you think about my theory? Anyway, I can't way for the next book, even if this one was kinda disappointing (Sirius's death was just so... unworthy). __________________ Make ****, not kill!

06-24-2003, 08:50 AM	#4
Peanut Second Gear Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The New World Posts: 15,422	Where all the death things were going I wasn't really expecting Sirius. We all knew there would be a death to one of the main characters. She stuck in little hints of death all over the place. I too enjoyed Neville in this book. He seems to be coming around as one of the more important faces in the book. ironhelix I don't think she'll continue the series after book 7. I'd like her to but I don't think she will. Perhaps she'll had the reins to someone else and let them talk about Harry's life after school. They seem to be hinting to this dark wizard catcher thing, which in this book it was stated he'd need top OWLs in potions to get, of course we all know Harry didn't pull out an O in the potions exam. It'll be interesting to see what happens once all 7 books are finished though.

06-24-2003, 03:57 PM	#9
Peanut Second Gear Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The New World Posts: 15,422	Why wouldn't you ever see it?

06-26-2003, 10:20 AM	#10
Leo33 Foot Soldier Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Wisconsin! Posts: 124	I havn't read the 5th book yet. Seince the books take so long to come out, I find myself not wanting to read the next book as much as the last.

07-01-2003, 09:41 PM	#11
trisha Random Punk Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 44	I was a good book, my favorite one so far. I cant wait for the next one. Has JKROWLING hinted about a time when she thinks itll be done???? Too bad sirius died. He was a favorite of mine.

07-01-2003, 09:51 PM	#12
Peanut Second Gear Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The New World Posts: 15,422	I haven't heard anything about the next book. I'm pretty sure we'll be seeing Sirius back in way form or another. I mean...he fell through a doorway. They never even explained it clearly. My hopes are that he'll be back at some point in time. Of course JK said she was going to kill of a character and that makes me think he's gone for good.

07-01-2003, 10:05 PM	#13
Mr. Snackpants Keep cool my babies! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mount Pleasant Posts: 2,239	Was it a doorway???? I thought he went through a curtian or something. I also liked the new book and it was my favorite of all the books. I bet well see Sirius sooner or later. My guess is he will show up in the last book when Harry is fighting You-Know-Who or something and talk to him, kinda like Obi-Wan to Luke "Use the force, Luke." as a voice he hears in his head. Know what I mean??? I dunno, thats my guess. Anyways, I can't wait for the next book to come out, but unfortunatley I think ill be waiting for a while....

07-01-2003, 10:06 PM	#14
Peanut Second Gear Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The New World Posts: 15,422	Yeah it was some kind of arch. With a blowing curtain.

07-01-2003, 10:50 PM	#15
Mikey the Party Turtle Hench Mutant Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: In the US of A. Yay. Posts: 442	Personally, I didn't find Sirius' death that emotional. Dunno, just falling through an archway and dieing doesn't seem very effective to me. I felt sorry for Harry though, Sirius was the closet thing he had to a relative. Though the whole Second War sounds very promising. Maybe there will be an all-out war with Dumbledore heading one army, and Voldemort leading the other. Hopefully, the Godric Gryffindor sword will be used again. (I hated how it looked like a toothpick in the CoS movie!) The character I was really expecting to get killed off was either Hermione or Ron. That would've been a big shock, since they are both major characters (I found Siruis to be more of a side character really.....) and that would've fueled Harry's hatred for ol' Tom Riddle WAY more than Siruis' death. (Do I sense that Harry when is talking to Luna that there is something going to happen between them...? I bet Ginny + Harry fans are dissapointed with her sudden change of heart. ) All in all, it was a very good book. It ties with Prisoner of Azkaban for the best book so far in the series.

07-01-2003, 11:32 PM	#16
Peanut Second Gear Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The New World Posts: 15,422	I was thinking it was gonna be Hagrid who kicked off. Especially with all the beatings he seemed to be taking, and then the whole part where he was chased off by Umbridge. I was pretty sure he was going to die there. Anyone else get a really, REALLY, strong disliking for Umbridge. I mean...I hate Snape and the Malfoy's and all but I really hated Umbridge. It didn't take her long to make my bad list either. It took Snape until about the third book for my real hate for him to come up...Malfoy's the second. Also anyone else not like the LeStrange's (sp?) at all?

07-02-2003, 10:27 PM	#19
Peanut Second Gear Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The New World Posts: 15,422	Yeah that is a really good theory. Makes perfect sense. I thought the death of Sirius was rather unworthy as well. He just kinda...fell...and that's it...I would have rather seen him killed by Voldemort's AK curse, of course he'd be taking the curse after jumping in front of Harry, there by saving his life. I guess that would have been too predictable though.

07-02-2003, 11:56 PM	#20
Barkworm Draconian leftist ruler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 6,757	I wished he could have spoken some last words to Harry, but then again the part when Harry tried to talk to the mirror and when he talked to Nick if Sirius could come back wouldn't have been so sad. I also wished Rowling had killed off someone else, I really digged Sirius. He was that kind of Raphael-character who seems to be tough but is very warmhearted. __________________ Make ****, not kill!