Nick TMNT Season 1 vs TMNT 4kids Season 1

[Leo2k3]

Hey everyone, I am new to the forums so please excuse me if I am posting this thread in the wrong place.
Now that we have gotten through a whole season of the newest incarnation of the turtles, I am curious on how it stakes up against season one of the 4kids series in terms of plot, character development, action scenes, things of that nature.
In my opinion I feel the season was slightly rushed because of so many plot points going on, and the characters didn't have time to really grow. it felt the episodes were sort of random each time and they did not have any cohesion besides a few scenes or minor details to connect each other. I think the 4kids series handled their fist season slightly better. Also a minor issue is the focus on the Donatello April infatuation. Donatello is one of my favorites and I didn't like seeing him being reduced to nothing more that a one note character.(crush on April)
The season finale was great, I liked the fight between splinter and shredder. I just wish the buildup toward the fight was handled a little better during the course of the season. One last issue for the season finale was the dancing scene, I felt was unneeded. We could have used more time for the characters instead of a unnecessary dance sequence.

Anyway great start to the newest turtle series. Hopefully the crew can step it up for season 2. This show has great potential and I hate to see it wasted.

Thoughts?

[MrTMNT2012]

You should really add a poll. I thought Nick's Season 1 was WAY better than 4kids mostly because that show's 1st season sidetracked with every other episode and had way too many plot holes and pointless characters.

As great as TMNT 2012 was, it still didn't reach the classic 1st Season of the 1987 TMNT! Then again, that was the best season of that show but Nickelodeon's TMNT done the BEST job at setting up the characters and plots for further Seasons which makes the overall show amazing.

[CyberCubed]

I have to hand it to 4kids Season 1. "The Shredder Strikes," "Shredder Strikes Back," and "Return to New York" were better than the big episodes of the Nick run.

Nick is obviously much better with humor, but the 4kids run did much more. At this point the Turtles already fought Shredder 3 times, defeated him, met the Utroms, met Casey, Baxter turned into a cyborg, and we had some decent filler episodes.

Also Hun > Dogpound.

The Nick show's fillers tended to be rather meh, (Spiderbitez, Cockroach mutant), but everythng else was pretty good.

I'd give 4kids Season 1 an 8.5 and Nick an 8.2.

[snake]

It's a tie. 4kids season 1 is nearly as good as Nick Season 1.
I said nearly because all the filler episodes in 4kids that were boring (Like Nano.) and the non-filler episodes that were boring (Notes To The Underground.)
Other then that, 4kids season 1 was nearly perfect, same for nick.

So it's a tie.

[Yorae]

4kids hands down for me. Much more was covered by the end of the season and I think the pacing and story were handled better than the Nick season.

[Gwydion]

Seeing as I couldn't make it all the way through season 1 of the 4kids series (I tried 3 times, I swear!), I have to go with the Nick version, but I'll agree that the 4kids story was handled much better. It was paced better and made sense. The 4kids season felt cohesive, but Nick's first season felt more like a bunch of episodes put together with plot sometimes showing up and other times being ignored completely.

Saying that, I'm much more of a character oriented person, so it didn't really detract from the show for me personally. I noticed it, but I was much more interested in the dynamics between the Turtles then why they didn't seem to be rushing to save April's dad, and I felt the characters themselves were much more interesting in the Nick version.

So yeah, Nick for me, but I can see why others would go for the 4kids version. Here's hoping Nick's story issues get ironed out in season 2.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by Gwydion

Seeing as I couldn't make it all the way through season 1 of the 4kids series (I tried 3 times, I swear!), I have to go with the Nick version, but I'll agree that the 4kids story was handled much better. It was paced better and made sense. The 4kids season felt cohesive, but Nick's first season felt more like a bunch of episodes put together with plot sometimes showing up and other times being ignored completely.

Saying that, I'm much more of a character oriented person, so it didn't really detract from the show for me personally. I noticed it, but I was much more interested in the dynamics between the Turtles then why they didn't seem to be rushing to save April's dad, and I felt the characters themselves were much more interesting in the Nick version.

So yeah, Nick for me, but I can see why others would go for the 4kids version. Here's hoping Nick's story issues get ironed out in season 2.

agree with this :3 (Don't you love it when a person says what you wanted and you don't need to type it out yourself XDD)

[MrTMNT2012]

I think that's ultimately what it comes down to: If you're a story person, you'd be more satisfied by the 4Kids Season while a character person, like myself, would choose the Nickelodeon Season!

[CyberCubed]

The problem is the 4kids show wasn't funny, and when it tried to be it came across as forced.

But as long as you don't care about humor, the 4kids show did almost everything else right.

[Electric]

Honestly 4kids season one was y favorite of them, but I still gotta give it to 2k12, this show has just been insane. Now hopefully the rest of the seasons stay this good, unlike the 4kids did, in my opinion

[MrTMNT2012]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The problem is the 4kids show wasn't funny, and when it tried to be it came across as forced.

But as long as you don't care about humor, the 4kids show did almost everything else right.

Everything up until Fast Forward of course. The terrible humor wouldn't have been as bad if they just gave up on it but no, they force it over and over and over again to the point where it takes the whole episode down sometimes.

Don't get me wrong, the 2K3 show has some of the absolute BEST moments of all TMNT but the writing was always mediocre. The dialogue was never clever or funny, the stories didn't always follow up and the show went into too many different directions which made the overall series disjointed and weak.

Those are all problems from Seasons 1-5 because I don't even want to get to Fast Forward or BTTS. Nickelodeon Series knows what it's doing and it gets what makes TMNT appealing which is why I think in the long-run, it will become the best Ninja Turtles Cartoon ever made!

[Electric]

Originally Posted by MrTMNT2012

Don't get me wrong, the 2K3 show has some of the absolute BEST moments of all TMNT but the writing was always mediocre. The dialogue was never clever or funny, the stories didn't always follow up and the show went into too many different directions which made the overall series disjointed and weak.

Those are all problems from Seasons 1-5 because I don't even want to get to Fast Forward or BTTS. Nickelodeon Series knows what it's doing and it gets what makes TMNT appealing which is why I think in the long-run, it will become the best Ninja Turtles Cartoon ever made!

Completely agree, with the 2k3 series, it seemed to have way too many plots at one time, and just when they'd be dealing with one, another would come up.
I also feel like it was too based on simply action, and didnt get the emotion or interaction between characters that this series seems to do perfectly

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by MrTMNT2012

Don't get me wrong, the 2K3 show has some of the absolute BEST moments of all TMNT but the writing was always mediocre. The dialogue was never clever or funny, the stories didn't always follow up and the show went into too many different directions which made the overall series disjointed and weak.

Wait, what? How could you complain about a number of plot threads going on at once? Its what made the show more interesting since it wasn't just the Turtles Vs. Shredder all the time. They also pretty much wrapped up virtually all loose ends in the series by the end anyway, so we weren't left with any major plotholes.

In Season 1 alone:

- Episodes 1-3: Introduced the characters, The Foot, April, Purple Dragons did the Baxter/Mouser story

- Episode 4: Casey Jones

- Episode 5: Nano filler

- Episode 6-7: Further Foot Clan stories, setting up the Sword of Tengu

- Episode 8: Purple Dragons, Hun/Casey/Angel development

- Episode 9: Garbageman filler

- Episode 10-11: First Major Shredder showdown

- Episode 12: Turtletitan filler

- Episodes 13-15: Notes of the Underground arc, Shredder experimenting with mutants

- Episode 16: Don goes to an alternate dimension with Kirby

- Episode 17-18: Shredder gets revenge, burns down April's shop and the Turtles are defeated

- Episode 19-20: Filler

- Episode 21-23: Return to New York, Shredder is defeated

- Episode 24: Gangster episode

- Episode 25-26: Introduction of TCRI and the Utroms



The 4kids show did a LOT in Season 1. Looking back the only throwaway episodes was the Garbageman ep, the Monster Hunter ep, and the Turtletitan one.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Wait, what? How could you complain about a number of plot threads going on at once? Its what made the show more interesting since it wasn't just the Turtles Vs. Shredder all the time. They also pretty much wrapped up virtually all loose ends in the series by the end anyway, so we weren't left with any major plotholes.

In Season 1 alone:

- Episodes 1-3: Introduced the characters, The Foot, April, Purple Dragons did the Baxter/Mouser story

- Episode 4: Casey Jones

- Episode 5: Nano filler

- Episode 6-7: Further Foot Clan stories, setting up the Sword of Tengu

- Episode 8: Purple Dragons, Hun/Casey/Angel development

- Episode 9: Garbageman filler

- Episode 10-11: First Major Shredder showdown

- Episode 12: Turtletitan filler

- Episodes 13-15: Notes of the Underground arc, Shredder experimenting with mutants

- Episode 16: Don goes to an alternate dimension with Kirby

- Episode 17-18: Shredder gets revenge, burns down April's shop and the Turtles are defeated

- Episode 19-20: Filler

- Episode 21-23: Return to New York, Shredder is defeated

- Episode 24: Gangster episode

- Episode 25-26: Introduction of TCRI and the Utroms



The 4kids show did a LOT in Season 1. Looking back the only throwaway episodes was the Garbageman ep, the Monster Hunter ep, and the Turtletitan one.

maybe that was the problem....they solved too much in season 1....
I would be upset if 2012 Shredder was already defeated in this season....

[TurtleTitan97]

I think I liked Nick TMNT season one more than 4Kids season one.

[Martin]

I'm torn on this one. If we look at it from a storytelling point, then I'd have to go with 4kids, hands down. In one season they achieved a lot of stuff, and the fact that they followed Mirage storylines was definitely a plus. The chemistry between the brothers was nice as well.

However, the nick show excels at other things. The CG they use is amazing; it makes all the fight scenes look so freaking good. I also like Nick splinter a lot more than the 4kids one; he is probably one of my favorite characters (that's also probably why I bash him so much when he doesn't move his fat rat ass to help the turtles). There is also not a single ep where you do not laugh or at least chuckle at something, so there is that. I feel that, although there are a lot of things about the plot that could have been done better, all the eps were still super enjoyable.

Huh, this is tough. I guess it's a 50/50 for me. If I'm forced to choose though, nostalgia would make me pick 4kids. Btw, I'm a die hard 4kids fan so that is saying a lot

Coming to think about it, 4kids 2nd season will be tough to beat as well. There were lots a good things in there (*cough* triceratons *cough*) so let's see how nick's second season stacks up to the competition (:

[CyberCubed]

I guess it comes down to whether you prefer humor, better characterisation among the Turtles and fun plots...then you would like Nick better.

In any case I find all 3 TMNT cartoons great at what they do, so it doesn't matter to me.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

maybe that was the problem....they solved too much in season 1....
I would be upset if 2012 Shredder was already defeated in this season....

A lot was solved in season 1 of 2003, but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by ObiWanFan4life

A lot was solved in season 1 of 2003, but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.

yea but I like it when things get stretched out to the other seasons :3

kinda like Avatar the last airbender XD they didn't defeat the Fire lord in the first season :3

[snake]

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

yea but I like it when things get stretched out to the other seasons :3

kinda like Avatar the last airbender XD they didn't defeat the Fire lord in the first season :3

Me too, it's better if things are stretched, it doesn't make the enemy weak that way.