Which Shredder do you think is the most evil?

LordShredder · 08-30-2013, 12:23 PM

80's Cartoon Shredder

Utrom Shredder aka Chr'ell

Karai

Demon/Tengu Shredder aka Oroku Saki

Cyber Shredder

CGI Shredder (2012)

Personally I think it's tough contest but 2012 Shredder did something twisted

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so that alone puts him in the lead.

The other shredders are proven to be equally ruthless Utrom Shredder pretty much killed or dismembered anyone that failed him. And Tengu Shredder was twisted in that he used Karai's love of her father to take advantage all in all I'd say these three Shredder's are tied. However it can be argued that they are capable of the same evil as 2012 Shredder and vice versa.

*miru* · 08-30-2013, 04:32 PM

Utrom Shreder eventually wanted to DESTROY THE ENITRE MULTIVERSE.

Blossombrooks · 08-30-2013, 05:08 PM

The Shredder from the first movie scared the heck out of me as a kid, he'll always seem the most evil to me.

*CyberCubed* · 08-30-2013, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Blossombrooks

The Shredder from the first movie scared the heck out of me as a kid, he'll always seem the most evil to me.

Really? Movie Shredder wanted a crime wave in NYC, he didn't want to conquer the world or kill half the planet.

~~Leo656~~ · 08-30-2013, 05:35 PM

Nah, but he was a lot more believable, so he has that going for him. Even as a kid I always thought of cartoon Shredder as a buffoon, one of the most impotent, useless villains I'd ever seen, but I liked the "idea" of his character. When I saw the movie I was like "Damn, now see, THAT is how Shredder should be." I still kind of see that Shredder in my mind when I think of Shredder.

Since then they've had to re-up the "Evil Quotient" with each new interpretation, sometimes going a wee bit overboard. It could easily be argued that Ch'Rell was the most generically "Evil", since Evil was literally his entire motive and reason to exist, but at the same time that's something that's strictly for cartoons and would never happen in the real world.

Jury's still out, but possibly the Nick Shredder could be the most evil. He does kick pretty low, turning a guy's kids against him and all. He must have watched the "Best Of Raven In ECW: How To Be An Evil Jerk And Turn Your Enemies' Kids Into Your Brainwashed Slaves For Fun And Profit" DVD.

Blossombrooks · 08-30-2013, 05:37 PM

Meh, I was 7, he was evil. It's ingrained now, what are ya gonna do?

Next choice would be the Tengu shredder, he was pretty evil to the core, no hint of sentiment in him unlike Ch'rell.

*Andrew NDB* · 08-30-2013, 06:00 PM

As I said in the other thread, obviously Ch'rell is the most "evil" Shredder... but that's by no means an accolade awarding him "best Shredder" or even "best character that has been Shredder." In fact, Ch'rell is pretty paper thin as a character in terms of dimensions and motivation.

DonatelloNinja82 · 08-30-2013, 07:06 PM

I'd have to go with Tengu Shredder and Ch'rell.

*snake* · 08-30-2013, 07:41 PM

Eric Sachs.

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 08-30-2013, 10:05 PM

THAT'S not Shredder!! That's just his "stunt double"....

I'd got with either Ch'rell (Utrom Shredder), or Nick's version. Both are just seriously twisted, in my book.

*shuriken* · 08-30-2013, 10:11 PM

Ch'rell cuz he just hated everything and was an intergalactic war criminal. Most believable and scary, prabably the movie one. Dude was serious bussiness.

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Eric Sachs.

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~~Leo656~~ · 08-30-2013, 10:34 PM

It's clearly this guy.

He killed Goldberg's push, took a dive to Hulk Hogan's index finger, booked WCW like it was his own personal fan club for months, gave himself the World Title repeatedly, and his scene entirely stole "The Punisher" right out from under poor Tom Jane. Don't take my word for it; in his autobiography, none other than the late Eddy Guerrero said, "As a Christian, I don't say things like this lightly... but I truly believe that (Kevin) Nash is Evil."

Also, there was this...

Spoiler:

Everything about that image positively reeks of malevolence. If that's not The Devil walking the Earth in human form, explain to me who is.

*shuriken* · 08-30-2013, 11:15 PM

As much as I respect your opinion all he did AS SHredder was get himself killed. Way to be Evil Kevin Nash getting yourself killed in the least epic way possible.

Avatar Yuffie · 08-30-2013, 11:29 PM

Ch'rell. He did try to destroy the multiverse.

Doesn't make him the most interesting villain ever though.

Stingray69 · 08-31-2013, 01:04 AM

Ch'rell as of now but maybe nicks in the future. It just depends on how far he pushes things.

Technogeek29 · 08-31-2013, 03:03 AM

Most evil? Or most dangerous? That easily goes to OT Shredder who was an imcompentent boob with the world's most dangerous toys.

Evil?...I guess Nick not really sure, certainly not any comic versions of the character.

Tazi · 08-31-2013, 04:30 AM

Ah, yeah, actually original Mirage Shredder wasn't that much worse then Yoshi himself, his revenge was somewhat legitimate. He was involved in organized crime, but so as Yoshi, and the Foot itself as assasin ninjas.

From Shredder's view, Yoshi killed his brother, then abused four children's life by raising them up for only one reason, to murder Saki. So how's Splinter any better then Saki?

Anyway, I don't believe in such things as evil or sin...

About Utrom Shredder... He was about totally insane, without any explicable motivation. Mental illness is not "evil", he should just have a treatment, or stop doing coke.

*Cipher* · 08-31-2013, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Tazi

Anyway, I don't believe in such things as evil or sin...

About Utrom Shredder... He was about totally insane, without any explicable motivation. Mental illness is not "evil", he should just have a treatment, or stop doing coke.

While I'm with you on that, I'll thrown in another vote for "easily Ch'rell, but that doesn't necessarily make him interesting."

His entire motivation basically boiled down to sadism, egotism and conquest. Only briefly, in the moments when he conflated his own identity with that of Oroku Saki, and when he became insane with vengeance toward the end, was that ever remotely engaging. He was a lot more fun outside his exo-suit.

DarkLightDragon · 08-31-2013, 11:57 AM

Even though we've had a similar topic to this, I'll still say Ch'rell, but as I said before as well as everyone else, he's far from interesting because of it.

Being 'evil' has never been nor should be a personality trait, it's only a moral alignment. Do we like the Turtles just because their 'the good guys?' Of course not. They each have distinct and personalities that are not fully dictated by their moral stance. It's the same with villains or anti-heroes. If they live or act by their moral alignment alone, then you're just making them a walking-talking trope of themselves and nothing memorable is made about them.

*TheCanadiandrome* · 08-31-2013, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leo656

It's clearly this guy.

He killed Goldberg's push, took a dive to Hulk Hogan's index finger, booked WCW like it was his own personal fan club for months, gave himself the World Title repeatedly, and his scene entirely stole "The Punisher" right out from under poor Tom Jane. Don't take my word for it; in his autobiography, none other than the late Eddy Guerrero said, "As a Christian, I don't say things like this lightly... but I truly believe that (Kevin) Nash is Evil."

Also, there was this...

Spoiler:

Everything about that image positively reeks of malevolence. If that's not The Devil walking the Earth in human form, explain to me who is.

We have weiner lol

08-30-2013, 12:23 PM	#1
LordShredder Random Punk Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 23	Which Shredder do you think is the most evil? 80's Cartoon Shredder Utrom Shredder aka Chr'ell Karai Demon/Tengu Shredder aka Oroku Saki Cyber Shredder CGI Shredder (2012) Personally I think it's tough contest but 2012 Shredder did something twisted Spoiler: killed Splinter's wife and made Splinter believe his daughter was dead when really he raised her as Karai and poisoned her against Splinter then gloated about in front him so that alone puts him in the lead. The other shredders are proven to be equally ruthless Utrom Shredder pretty much killed or dismembered anyone that failed him. And Tengu Shredder was twisted in that he used Karai's love of her father to take advantage all in all I'd say these three Shredder's are tied. However it can be argued that they are capable of the same evil as 2012 Shredder and vice versa.

08-30-2013, 04:32 PM	#2
miru Mad Scientist Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,874	Utrom Shreder eventually wanted to DESTROY THE ENITRE MULTIVERSE. __________________ Proud Digimon nut.

08-30-2013, 05:08 PM	#3
Blossombrooks Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: 'hero' turtle land Posts: 946	The Shredder from the first movie scared the heck out of me as a kid, he'll always seem the most evil to me. __________________ There's too much green to feel blue! http://blossombrooks.deviantart.com/

08-30-2013, 05:37 PM	#6
Blossombrooks Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: 'hero' turtle land Posts: 946	Meh, I was 7, he was evil. It's ingrained now, what are ya gonna do? Next choice would be the Tengu shredder, he was pretty evil to the core, no hint of sentiment in him unlike Ch'rell. __________________ There's too much green to feel blue! http://blossombrooks.deviantart.com/

08-30-2013, 06:00 PM	#7
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,426	As I said in the other thread, obviously Ch'rell is the most "evil" Shredder... but that's by no means an accolade awarding him "best Shredder" or even "best character that has been Shredder." In fact, Ch'rell is pretty paper thin as a character in terms of dimensions and motivation. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

08-30-2013, 05:35 PM	#5
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Nah, but he was a lot more believable, so he has that going for him. Even as a kid I always thought of cartoon Shredder as a buffoon, one of the most impotent, useless villains I'd ever seen, but I liked the "idea" of his character. When I saw the movie I was like "Damn, now see, THAT is how Shredder should be." I still kind of see that Shredder in my mind when I think of Shredder. Since then they've had to re-up the "Evil Quotient" with each new interpretation, sometimes going a wee bit overboard. It could easily be argued that Ch'Rell was the most generically "Evil", since Evil was literally his entire motive and reason to exist, but at the same time that's something that's strictly for cartoons and would never happen in the real world. Jury's still out, but possibly the Nick Shredder could be the most evil. He does kick pretty low, turning a guy's kids against him and all. He must have watched the "Best Of Raven In ECW: How To Be An Evil Jerk And Turn Your Enemies' Kids Into Your Brainwashed Slaves For Fun And Profit" DVD.

08-30-2013, 07:06 PM	#8
DonatelloNinja82 Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,345	I'd have to go with Tengu Shredder and Ch'rell. __________________ Michelangelo: Holy guacamole with hot sauce and jalapenos!

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snake Disgusting Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Outer Heaven Posts: 12,231	Eric Sachs.

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MsMarvelDuckie I Married a Duck! Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: The bowels of Hell, Texas(otherwise known as Decatur) Posts: 8,773	THAT'S not Shredder!! That's just his "stunt double".... I'd got with either Ch'rell (Utrom Shredder), or Nick's version. Both are just seriously twisted, in my book. __________________ "You IDIOTS! You've captured their STUNT doubles!" -from "Spaceballs" "Where Science ends, magic begins." -Spiral, Uncanny X-Men #491 My various stories and fan-fics are now here- https://m.fanfiction.net/u/4770494/#end

08-30-2013, 10:34 PM	#12
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	It's clearly this guy. He killed Goldberg's push, took a dive to Hulk Hogan's index finger, booked WCW like it was his own personal fan club for months, gave himself the World Title repeatedly, and his scene entirely stole "The Punisher" right out from under poor Tom Jane. Don't take my word for it; in his autobiography, none other than the late Eddy Guerrero said, "As a Christian, I don't say things like this lightly... but I truly believe that (Kevin) Nash is Evil." Also, there was this... Spoiler: Everything about that image positively reeks of malevolence. If that's not The Devil walking the Earth in human form, explain to me who is.

08-30-2013, 11:15 PM	#13
shuriken Second City Shinobi Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chi-town Posts: 4,182	As much as I respect your opinion all he did AS SHredder was get himself killed. Way to be Evil Kevin Nash getting yourself killed in the least epic way possible. __________________ Some things are better left unsaid. This isn't one of them

08-30-2013, 11:29 PM	#14
Avatar Yuffie Stone Warrior Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 805	Ch'rell. He did try to destroy the multiverse. Doesn't make him the most interesting villain ever though. __________________ We all know that Most Writers Are Male. Something like eighty percent of media aimed at children have male main characters, whereas half the population is female. At best, women will often be minor characters or will not be present at all. Stories about women are for women, stories about men are for general consumption. (TV Tropes Feminist Fantasy)

08-31-2013, 01:04 AM	#15
Stingray69 Stone Warrior Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 916	Ch'rell as of now but maybe nicks in the future. It just depends on how far he pushes things. __________________ Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today. Looking to buy old Kool aid flavors no longer produced.

08-31-2013, 03:03 AM	#16
Technogeek29 Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Huntsville Posts: 1,486	Most evil? Or most dangerous? That easily goes to OT Shredder who was an imcompentent boob with the world's most dangerous toys. Evil?...I guess Nick not really sure, certainly not any comic versions of the character.

08-31-2013, 04:30 AM	#17
Tazi Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Budapest, Hungary Posts: 1,088	Ah, yeah, actually original Mirage Shredder wasn't that much worse then Yoshi himself, his revenge was somewhat legitimate. He was involved in organized crime, but so as Yoshi, and the Foot itself as assasin ninjas. From Shredder's view, Yoshi killed his brother, then abused four children's life by raising them up for only one reason, to murder Saki. So how's Splinter any better then Saki? Anyway, I don't believe in such things as evil or sin... About Utrom Shredder... He was about totally insane, without any explicable motivation. Mental illness is not "evil", he should just have a treatment, or stop doing coke. __________________

08-31-2013, 11:57 AM	#19
DarkLightDragon Mad Scientist Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,026	Even though we've had a similar topic to this, I'll still say Ch'rell, but as I said before as well as everyone else, he's far from interesting because of it. Being 'evil' has never been nor should be a personality trait, it's only a moral alignment. Do we like the Turtles just because their 'the good guys?' Of course not. They each have distinct and personalities that are not fully dictated by their moral stance. It's the same with villains or anti-heroes. If they live or act by their moral alignment alone, then you're just making them a walking-talking trope of themselves and nothing memorable is made about them.