A fan base more divided than Ninja Turtle fans?

~~CansecoBat~~ · 10-24-2013, 01:49 AM

It seems to me, and I'm having a hard time coming up with one ... of a fan base more divided on the strength of preference of the source material

For Ninja Turtle fans, it seems to be decisively divided between the Mirage and Original Toon.

None of the other fan bases that I can think of seem to be as torn. You'll never hear a strong faction in the Batman fan base demanding the character be taken in the campy root of the 60's route, as opposed to the dark, brooding, and serious take on the character.

Darth Knuckles · 10-24-2013, 02:01 AM

I'm a huge fan of a lot of different things and I do think Sonic the Hedgehog fans in some cases can be more divided about certain aspects of their property than TMNT fans.

In my case I love the Classic Sonic games and the Sonic Archie Comics but really don't like the Modern Sonic games at all. (except Sonic Adventure and Sonic's levels in Sonic Adventure 2) Admittedly I haven't yet played Sonic Colors so I can't rate that game just yet. I really dislike Shadow, Blaze, Cream, and any new character SEGA has thought of since 1998 and beyond.

I personally don't have any other love-hate relationship as strong as I do with SEGA concerning the blue blur. So I submit the Sonic the Hedgehog series fans as possibly being more divided about their property than TMNT fans.

FlogginMcMurryZombiePizza · 10-24-2013, 02:04 AM

I have seen a couple of your comments... I dont quite get you.

To humor you,
There are some people who do want to see the Camp Batman again. I have talked to a few myself. Many of them are stuck in the 60s Batman thinking that this whole "dark thing" isn't him.

As for the TMNT, we're divided so much because of those of us who were raised on the cartoons since we were kids and those of us who were old enough to read the comics.
Right now IDW's origin story is different again... yet I can't complain about any of it. I like them all. Makes no difference if Splinter is Yoshi or is the mutated pet rat... or, currently, the reincarnated spirit of Yoshi...
It's all good and the stories are still told well enough none of it hurts the characters or legacy.

*Shark_Blade* · 10-24-2013, 02:13 AM

I was in a tomb raider forum and they have divided fanbase too. Segregation happens everywhere in forums maybe, but it's all in union on tumblr.

It's just depends where you look. Personally I like most reincarnations, all the toons, etc.

Walkabout · 10-24-2013, 02:36 AM

Guns N Roses fans are pretty divided.

*Wildcat* · 10-24-2013, 02:48 AM

Ghostbusters fans are definitely divided. There are those who really want part 3 or even a TV show (Im with this) and then there are those who make it out to be untouchable even going as far as saying the only reason it worked was because of the original group. Like the idea of catching ghosts and weapons is secondary...thats ridiculous.

Im a huge Sonic fan but I dont see a big divide in fans. Some complain about the 3D games but for the most part it seems pretty even. Unless youre a casual fan I guess. Review sites seem totally biased against any post-Adventure Sonic game.

~~Leo656~~ · 10-24-2013, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Walkabout

Guns N Roses fans are pretty divided.

Nailed It. And Good Lawd, don't get me started...

Sonic fans are pretty divided between strict game canon fans and fans of SatAM/Archie, that's for sure.

Right now a lot of DC fans are pretty split about the New 52. Again, don't get me started...

*Shark_Blade* · 10-24-2013, 03:45 AM

Ha, New 52.. I'm fine with most of their reboots but their new Super Girl...

Old outfit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supergi...%29#The_New_52

Seriously? What were they thinking?
Lucky we don't have this kinda thing in tmnt.

HeroTurtlesFan · 10-24-2013, 04:15 AM

Is the OP kidding? Man, if he thinks things round here are divided... go check out a Star Wars forum (Prequel trilogy fans vs Original Trilogy fans vs Expanded Universe fans vs those that like it alL0.

Even better - go to a Transformers forum. There have been well over ten different iterations of the franchise in the US alone (many more if you count Japanese etc) and, though its a vocal minority, you get some pretty decisive battlelines being drawn up there.

It used to be between the "G1ers" and Beast Wars fans (the phrase 'trukk not munky' summarised it well) but now it's more often between "Movie Fans" and "Everyone else".

*ToTheNines* · 10-24-2013, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Wildcat

Ghostbusters fans are definitely divided. There are those who really want part 3 or even a TV show (Im with this) and then there are those who make it out to be untouchable even going as far as saying the only reason it worked was because of the original group. Like the idea of catching ghosts and weapons is secondary...thats ridiculous.

I think Ghosbusters will only work if set in the same universe. So a new cast of characters would be fine, but they'd have to be the successors of the originals.

If they ever reboot GB, no one will like it.

Gyt Kaliba · 10-24-2013, 06:45 AM

Pretty much any fandom you go to is going to have a lot of dissenting fans that create different 'divisions' in it. That's just the way fandom works in general, really.

I've heard the Star Wars fandom is one of the worst, but since I'm only lukewarm about any of the movies, I don't have first hand experience with that one. One of the worst at times to me though is the anime/manga fandom as a whole. Good god, that can be hell on Earth to be a part of sometimes. More specifically from there, the DBZ fandom will really leave you wanting to pound your head into a wall until you can't think straight anymore; it's the only thing preventing you from doing the same to someone else's.

Now, I'm so used to those two fandoms being a pain though, that I was actually kind of surprised when I popped in here for the first time so long ago. It had never occurred to me that TMNT would be subject to such wild and varying opinions at first. This led me to learn that first fact I mentioned - fandoms are just always gonna be messy.

ticktack · 10-24-2013, 08:32 AM

Maybe batman was able to evolute through years, while the 2003 series' interpretation felt to appear sudden, (maybe immediately). To ones that only followed the TV shows and think to be familiar with "ninja turtles" before 00's.

This thread creator, do you wanted us to bring an example of more divided fanbases than the Ninja Turtles?

ryukenden · 10-24-2013, 09:17 AM

There are a lot of broken bases in just about every franchise. Fans are divided between the 1980s and the 2000s versions of He-Man and Thundercats. Subs vs Dubs in Anime. Power Rangers and its source material, Super Sentai. The list goes on.

*Andrew NDB* · 10-24-2013, 09:40 AM

I've never, ever encountered a more divisive and volatile fandom than with TMNT.

Tazi · 10-24-2013, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by CansecoBat

None of the other fan bases that I can think of seem to be as torn. You'll never hear a strong faction in the Batman fan base demanding the character be taken in the campy root of the 60's route, as opposed to the dark, brooding, and serious take on the character.

Where did you get that info from? They're running a 60's style Batman series at DC right now, and it's titled as "Batman '66".

Spoiler:

*CyberCubed* · 10-24-2013, 11:11 AM

People really think the TMNT fanbase is divided? From what I've seen most people here watched an enjoyed all 3 cartoons, most of the movies and get into the comics if they can. People have preferences to what was better, sure, but that's it.

I don't think you know what a divided fanbase truly is.

*MikeandRaph87* · 10-24-2013, 11:17 AM

Its because there are so many incarnations of the property in under three decades. Most have had decent popularity and that is where we decide what we like best and our views clash. If it was not for this site I would not have known of the Mirage purist. They tend to gravity hear and have thier small group sound louder than it is. Another group is the devoted fans of the '87 cartoon who see it as the best. There is a truth in some like for nostalgia or because it was out there and still has related products think of it as Ninja Turtles. However, weeding out the large group of fans of the cartoon it still outnumbers any Mirage purist many times over. Now we have people who grew up with the '03 cartoon as it settles into the rearview mirror and now kids are taking to Nickelodeon's own version! If it was just one or two versions this would not be the case but the fact the fanbase reacts this way proves the adapatability and success of the franchise. Look at Spider-Man going through 5 cartoons in under two decades! I still see Spider-Man through the lenses of the animated series and three movies aside from Electro and Hobgoblni origins. There are many more cases than just TMNT and Spider-Man as another cited examples like Transformers,Muppets,etc. Heck, even long lastings shows from Power Rangers to Saturday Night Live has this problem. For better or worse it is probably a good thing because it shows the great interest and longevity of a program or property.

~~Leo656~~ · 10-24-2013, 11:22 AM

I'm with Andrew, actually. Others are bad but TMNT is by far "the worst".

It all comes down to how wildly different each version of TMNT is, each one has its fans and detractors, and yes, all that is normal in any fandom. BUT, Some people think TMNT is a dark and gritty action story about ninjas and others feel it's just a balls-out, batsh*t-crazy anything-goes kinda thing that shouldn't be taken seriously at all. That schism is the root of it, and although there are a lot of people who are "in between", the fact that the most well-known version of the property is directly at odds with "the source material" as far as tone and characterization, means there will NEVER be a clear consensus on what TMNT is, what it's supposed to be, and what is and is not "Okay" for the property.

That's why tiny little disagreements become "your version sucks, my version is better" all the time. There's no "right" answer, but the "purists" are always going to believe they are right and that the other fans don't treat the property with the respect and seriousness they think it deserves, and the "it's all just for laughs" people are going to think they're right and the other side takes things too seriously.

The more new comics, shows, movies and offshoots that contradict each other, it can only get worse. That's what scares me.

*Cipher* · 10-24-2013, 10:06 PM

Transformers is far and above the most awful one I've encountered. A fanbase so childish and divided its own (ridiculously excellent and professional) Wiki regularly dedicates efforts toward mocking it.

Also, for a group so niche as to revolve around twenty-eight films and a small bit of ancillary material, the Godzilla fanbase is stupidly vitriolic.

Say what you will about TMNT -- its history certainly runs the gamut, so I understand fans disagreeing with each other over certain portrayals. But by and large, I've found it to be pretty great, and we regularly get civil interaction with the professional talent. The two mentioned above are just godawful.

*BabyTurtles* · 10-24-2013, 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

Ha, New 52.. I'm fine with most of their reboots but their new Super Girl...

Seriously? What were they thinking?
Lucky we don't have this kinda thing in tmnt.

wow....that outfit looks weird....
I like the skirt one better.....and I'm not too keen on superhero girls fighting in skirts XD unless they have leggings underneath :3

10-24-2013, 01:49 AM	#1
~~CansecoBat~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 78	A fan base more divided than Ninja Turtle fans? It seems to me, and I'm having a hard time coming up with one ... of a fan base more divided on the strength of preference of the source material For Ninja Turtle fans, it seems to be decisively divided between the Mirage and Original Toon. None of the other fan bases that I can think of seem to be as torn. You'll never hear a strong faction in the Batman fan base demanding the character be taken in the campy root of the 60's route, as opposed to the dark, brooding, and serious take on the character.

10-24-2013, 02:01 AM	#2
Darth Knuckles Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2012 Location: Mutani-Isle Posts: 701	I'm a huge fan of a lot of different things and I do think Sonic the Hedgehog fans in some cases can be more divided about certain aspects of their property than TMNT fans. In my case I love the Classic Sonic games and the Sonic Archie Comics but really don't like the Modern Sonic games at all. (except Sonic Adventure and Sonic's levels in Sonic Adventure 2) Admittedly I haven't yet played Sonic Colors so I can't rate that game just yet. I really dislike Shadow, Blaze, Cream, and any new character SEGA has thought of since 1998 and beyond. I personally don't have any other love-hate relationship as strong as I do with SEGA concerning the blue blur. So I submit the Sonic the Hedgehog series fans as possibly being more divided about their property than TMNT fans. __________________ "Shredder, what have you done!?!" - Tiger Claw (Annihilation: Earth!)

10-24-2013, 02:04 AM	#3
FlogginMcMurryZombiePizza Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,229	I have seen a couple of your comments... I dont quite get you. To humor you, There are some people who do want to see the Camp Batman again. I have talked to a few myself. Many of them are stuck in the 60s Batman thinking that this whole "dark thing" isn't him. As for the TMNT, we're divided so much because of those of us who were raised on the cartoons since we were kids and those of us who were old enough to read the comics. Right now IDW's origin story is different again... yet I can't complain about any of it. I like them all. Makes no difference if Splinter is Yoshi or is the mutated pet rat... or, currently, the reincarnated spirit of Yoshi... It's all good and the stories are still told well enough none of it hurts the characters or legacy. __________________ Check out, visit, support, and spread word of my original self published comic book ZOMBIE B.C. http://www.facebook.com/OfficialZombieBC \| http://OfficialZombieBC.tumblr.com created, written, drawn, etc by me. Inventory

10-24-2013, 02:48 AM	#6
Wildcat Foot Elite Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: AZ Posts: 3,512	Ghostbusters fans are definitely divided. There are those who really want part 3 or even a TV show (Im with this) and then there are those who make it out to be untouchable even going as far as saying the only reason it worked was because of the original group. Like the idea of catching ghosts and weapons is secondary...thats ridiculous. Im a huge Sonic fan but I dont see a big divide in fans. Some complain about the 3D games but for the most part it seems pretty even. Unless youre a casual fan I guess. Review sites seem totally biased against any post-Adventure Sonic game. __________________ Nothing can survive the will to stay alive, cause if you try, you can do anything.

10-24-2013, 06:45 AM	#11
Gyt Kaliba Stone Warrior Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Arkansas Posts: 770	Pretty much any fandom you go to is going to have a lot of dissenting fans that create different 'divisions' in it. That's just the way fandom works in general, really. I've heard the Star Wars fandom is one of the worst, but since I'm only lukewarm about any of the movies, I don't have first hand experience with that one. One of the worst at times to me though is the anime/manga fandom as a whole. Good god, that can be hell on Earth to be a part of sometimes. More specifically from there, the DBZ fandom will really leave you wanting to pound your head into a wall until you can't think straight anymore; it's the only thing preventing you from doing the same to someone else's. Now, I'm so used to those two fandoms being a pain though, that I was actually kind of surprised when I popped in here for the first time so long ago. It had never occurred to me that TMNT would be subject to such wild and varying opinions at first. This led me to learn that first fact I mentioned - fandoms are just always gonna be messy. __________________ My FanFiction

10-24-2013, 02:13 AM	#4
Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,909	I was in a tomb raider forum and they have divided fanbase too. Segregation happens everywhere in forums maybe, but it's all in union on tumblr. It's just depends where you look. Personally I like most reincarnations, all the toons, etc.

10-24-2013, 02:36 AM	#5
Walkabout Stone Warrior Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 556	Guns N Roses fans are pretty divided.

10-24-2013, 03:45 AM	#8
Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,909	Ha, New 52.. I'm fine with most of their reboots but their new Super Girl... Old outfit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supergi...%29#The_New_52 Seriously? What were they thinking? Lucky we don't have this kinda thing in tmnt.

10-24-2013, 04:15 AM	#9
HeroTurtlesFan Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 265	Is the OP kidding? Man, if he thinks things round here are divided... go check out a Star Wars forum (Prequel trilogy fans vs Original Trilogy fans vs Expanded Universe fans vs those that like it alL0. Even better - go to a Transformers forum. There have been well over ten different iterations of the franchise in the US alone (many more if you count Japanese etc) and, though its a vocal minority, you get some pretty decisive battlelines being drawn up there. It used to be between the "G1ers" and Beast Wars fans (the phrase 'trukk not munky' summarised it well) but now it's more often between "Movie Fans" and "Everyone else".

10-24-2013, 08:32 AM	#12
ticktack Hench Mutant Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 423	Maybe batman was able to evolute through years, while the 2003 series' interpretation felt to appear sudden, (maybe immediately). To ones that only followed the TV shows and think to be familiar with "ninja turtles" before 00's. This thread creator, do you wanted us to bring an example of more divided fanbases than the Ninja Turtles?

10-24-2013, 09:17 AM	#13
ryukenden Hench Mutant Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 383	There are a lot of broken bases in just about every franchise. Fans are divided between the 1980s and the 2000s versions of He-Man and Thundercats. Subs vs Dubs in Anime. Power Rangers and its source material, Super Sentai. The list goes on.

10-24-2013, 09:40 AM	#14
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,492	I've never, ever encountered a more divisive and volatile fandom than with TMNT. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

10-24-2013, 11:11 AM	#16
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,831	People really think the TMNT fanbase is divided? From what I've seen most people here watched an enjoyed all 3 cartoons, most of the movies and get into the comics if they can. People have preferences to what was better, sure, but that's it. I don't think you know what a divided fanbase truly is.

10-24-2013, 11:17 AM	#17
MikeandRaph87 Jedi Master Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: JLA Satellite Headquarters Posts: 11,190	Its because there are so many incarnations of the property in under three decades. Most have had decent popularity and that is where we decide what we like best and our views clash. If it was not for this site I would not have known of the Mirage purist. They tend to gravity hear and have thier small group sound louder than it is. Another group is the devoted fans of the '87 cartoon who see it as the best. There is a truth in some like for nostalgia or because it was out there and still has related products think of it as Ninja Turtles. However, weeding out the large group of fans of the cartoon it still outnumbers any Mirage purist many times over. Now we have people who grew up with the '03 cartoon as it settles into the rearview mirror and now kids are taking to Nickelodeon's own version! If it was just one or two versions this would not be the case but the fact the fanbase reacts this way proves the adapatability and success of the franchise. Look at Spider-Man going through 5 cartoons in under two decades! I still see Spider-Man through the lenses of the animated series and three movies aside from Electro and Hobgoblni origins. There are many more cases than just TMNT and Spider-Man as another cited examples like Transformers,Muppets,etc. Heck, even long lastings shows from Power Rangers to Saturday Night Live has this problem. For better or worse it is probably a good thing because it shows the great interest and longevity of a program or property. __________________ Michelangelo: This looks like a job for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles! Raphael: Sheesh, Mikey this ain't a cartoon!

10-24-2013, 11:22 AM	#18
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I'm with Andrew, actually. Others are bad but TMNT is by far "the worst". It all comes down to how wildly different each version of TMNT is, each one has its fans and detractors, and yes, all that is normal in any fandom. BUT, Some people think TMNT is a dark and gritty action story about ninjas and others feel it's just a balls-out, batsh*t-crazy anything-goes kinda thing that shouldn't be taken seriously at all. That schism is the root of it, and although there are a lot of people who are "in between", the fact that the most well-known version of the property is directly at odds with "the source material" as far as tone and characterization, means there will NEVER be a clear consensus on what TMNT is, what it's supposed to be, and what is and is not "Okay" for the property. That's why tiny little disagreements become "your version sucks, my version is better" all the time. There's no "right" answer, but the "purists" are always going to believe they are right and that the other fans don't treat the property with the respect and seriousness they think it deserves, and the "it's all just for laughs" people are going to think they're right and the other side takes things too seriously. The more new comics, shows, movies and offshoots that contradict each other, it can only get worse. That's what scares me.

10-24-2013, 10:06 PM	#19
Cipher Foot Elite Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 3,454	Transformers is far and above the most awful one I've encountered. A fanbase so childish and divided its own (ridiculously excellent and professional) Wiki regularly dedicates efforts toward mocking it. Also, for a group so niche as to revolve around twenty-eight films and a small bit of ancillary material, the Godzilla fanbase is stupidly vitriolic. Say what you will about TMNT -- its history certainly runs the gamut, so I understand fans disagreeing with each other over certain portrayals. But by and large, I've found it to be pretty great, and we regularly get civil interaction with the professional talent. The two mentioned above are just godawful.