Had the 4th Live Action Ninja Turtles Movie gone ahead how would you feel about it?

TMNTFan9000 · 12-31-2013, 11:20 AM

So reading up on the Ninja Turtles films on IMDB and I found out about what was supposed the premise for the fourth live action Ninja Turtles film. Basically my question is had the movie gone ahead would you have seen it or are you glad they stopped when they did? Personally I don't mind the idea provided its done well but the two other times they did it weren't very good but you never know maybe someday some other person can make this idea work better then what we got before. For those who don't know this was what was supposed to happen in the fourth Ninja Turtles film:

"Kevin Eastman was working on a fourth Ninja Turtles film between 1995 and 1997 titled TMNT: The Next Mutation. In 2012, Heritage Auctions published concept arts showing a fifth turtle named Kirby, but also featured are Fang, Shredder, Spyder, Nano Spyder, Super Shredder, Casey, Talbot, Lawson, Bugman and "Evil April". Peter Laird showed some concept art of the Turtles and Splinter on his blog.

"TMNT: The Next Mutation" was a concept for fourth live-action movie should this third movie prove a success. In this concept the Ooze that transformed the Turtles and Splinter was still in their bodies causing a much more drastic 2nd mutation. Michelangelo's mutation would have gave him a more human appearance allowing him to walk amongst the people of the City. Donatello's mutation would have gave him to have psychic abilities, but have him wear an optic device because his mutation would cause his vision to deteriorate. Raphael's rage would cause him to mutate into a fearsome creature with claws and spikes jutting from his body. Leonardo would have the ability to mutate his skin into different textures. And Splinter would transform into a creature twice his size that he would have limited control over."

rickwj324 · 12-31-2013, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TMNTFan9000

So reading up on the Ninja Turtles films on IMDB and I found out about what was supposed the premise for the fourth live action Ninja Turtles film. Basically my question is had the movie gone ahead would you have seen it or are you glad they stopped when they did? Personally I don't mind the idea provided its done well but the two other times they did it weren't very good but you never know maybe someday some other person can make this idea work better then what we got before. For those who don't know this was what was supposed to happen in the fourth Ninja Turtles film:

"Kevin Eastman was working on a fourth Ninja Turtles film between 1995 and 1997 titled TMNT: The Next Mutation. In 2012, Heritage Auctions published concept arts showing a fifth turtle named Kirby, but also featured are Fang, Shredder, Spyder, Nano Spyder, Super Shredder, Casey, Talbot, Lawson, Bugman and "Evil April". Peter Laird showed some concept art of the Turtles and Splinter on his blog.

"TMNT: The Next Mutation" was a concept for fourth live-action movie should this third movie prove a success. In this concept the Ooze that transformed the Turtles and Splinter was still in their bodies causing a much more drastic 2nd mutation. Michelangelo's mutation would have gave him a more human appearance allowing him to walk amongst the people of the City. Donatello's mutation would have gave him to have psychic abilities, but have him wear an optic device because his mutation would cause his vision to deteriorate. Raphael's rage would cause him to mutate into a fearsome creature with claws and spikes jutting from his body. Leonardo would have the ability to mutate his skin into different textures. And Splinter would transform into a creature twice his size that he would have limited control over."

I would've had ZERO desire to see that mess!!

*victory_angel* · 12-31-2013, 03:16 PM

I would have to agree with rickwj324.

While second mutations or unstable mutations have appeared in the Ninja Turtles franchise before. Particularly with the Red Sky season of the OT series and the 2003 series.

The OT series didn't do the unstable mutation all that well because why was it only the Turtles who had the unstable mutation? Why not anyone else such as Splinter or Rocksteady and Bebop?

The 2003 series however had a good concept for the second mutation/unstable mutation by having Donatello getting attacked by a mutation carrying creature. Then having that be a slow build from there starting with a cold and ending with a Donatello Transforming.

Aaronardo · 12-31-2013, 03:28 PM

I already heard about this in TMNT: Smash Up.

What a mess! As with the two posters above me, I couldn't imagine keeping up with that! It was already done, and not in the best way, either.

*Andrew NDB* · 12-31-2013, 03:36 PM

There is no incarnation of the fourth movie that didn't sound utterly horrendous. Though the fourth movie we finally got was pretty ghastly on its own, it's still significantly better than the one bandied about before ("Julie Strain is playing a wacky, evil empress from another dimension!" "the Turtles gain a second set of mutations!" "Kirby the Fifth Wacky Turtle!" "Venus is in it!" blah blah, etc etc).

*CyberCubed* · 12-31-2013, 03:43 PM

It would be the "Batman and Robin" of the TMNT movie franchise.

Turtles gaining new mutations, the 5th turtle Kirby, some sort of female sorcery woman...sounds like truly horrible fanfiction.

*Andrew NDB* · 12-31-2013, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

It would be the "Batman and Robin" of the TMNT movie franchise.

Turtles gaining new mutations, the 5th turtle Kirby, some sort of female sorcery woman...sounds like truly horrible fanfiction.

Had that movie actually happened, the franchise quite possibly might have never recovered.

*Plasticplayhouse* · 12-31-2013, 05:02 PM

yeah, that movie would have been atrocious.

*Powder* · 12-31-2013, 05:05 PM

Much like The Next Mutation & musical specials, I would have found ways to enjoy it. I'm sure it would be been some sort of massacre, but I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't love to see that concept art realized in foam suits and props. There was some cool stuff being drawn up.

rickwj324 · 12-31-2013, 05:07 PM

Why does TMNT (2007) get all the hate that it does? I really enjoyed it and thought it was pretty well done. I'd rather see a cgi continuation of that movie than the new Bay film (at least from all the details floating around about it).

*Powder* · 12-31-2013, 05:30 PM

Too many plots at once, boring original characters, weird character designs, too much focus on Raph/Leo, Nightwatcher, Karai is a pushover, blah blah blah.

rickwj324 · 12-31-2013, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder

Too many plots at once, boring original characters, weird character designs, too much focus on Raph/Leo, Nightwatcher, Karai is a pushover, blah blah blah.

I didn't feel like that at all when watching it. Didn't realize others felt that way. I enjoyed it in the theatre and have watched the blu-ray several times now. Thanks for answering my question though... I had no idea!

*Chris* · 12-31-2013, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder

Much like The Next Mutation & musical specials, I would have found ways to enjoy it. I'm sure it would be been some sort of massacre, but I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't love to see that concept art realized in foam suits and props. There was some cool stuff being drawn up.

I'm pretty much the same as Powder. It would have been bad, no denying that, but I'd have found something to enjoy in it. TBH if it had come out back in 97/98 I'd have only been 12/13 so it wouldn't have needed to be a masterpiece, as long as it was as good as the OT I'd have been happy to watch it.

To this day I'd still happily pay to read those draft scripts. And, like Powder said, some of the designs are really good. Leo's costume is my favorite version of him and I wish the film had been made just so I could have a figure of that now.

*Xav* · 12-31-2013, 06:25 PM

I still would have preferred over what ever the heck the new movie is gonna be.

**Jester** · 12-31-2013, 06:29 PM

I'd probably have seen it as a guilty pleasure...

Stingray69 · 12-31-2013, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris

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To this day I'd still happily pay to read those draft scripts. And, like Powder said, some of the designs are really good. Leo's costume is my favorite version of him and I wish the film had been made just so I could have a figure of that now.

I'm with you if pay to read the drafts for this.

*oldmanwinters* · 12-31-2013, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TMNTFan9000

So reading up on the Ninja Turtles films on IMDB and I found out about what was supposed the premise for the fourth live action Ninja Turtles film. Basically my question is had the movie gone ahead would you have seen it or are you glad they stopped when they did? Personally I don't mind the idea provided its done well but the two other times they did it weren't very good but you never know maybe someday some other person can make this idea work better then what we got before. For those who don't know this was what was supposed to happen in the fourth Ninja Turtles film:

"Kevin Eastman was working on a fourth Ninja Turtles film between 1995 and 1997 titled TMNT: The Next Mutation. In 2012, Heritage Auctions published concept arts showing a fifth turtle named Kirby, but also featured are Fang, Shredder, Spyder, Nano Spyder, Super Shredder, Casey, Talbot, Lawson, Bugman and "Evil April". Peter Laird showed some concept art of the Turtles and Splinter on his blog.

"TMNT: The Next Mutation" was a concept for fourth live-action movie should this third movie prove a success. In this concept the Ooze that transformed the Turtles and Splinter was still in their bodies causing a much more drastic 2nd mutation. Michelangelo's mutation would have gave him a more human appearance allowing him to walk amongst the people of the City. Donatello's mutation would have gave him to have psychic abilities, but have him wear an optic device because his mutation would cause his vision to deteriorate. Raphael's rage would cause him to mutate into a fearsome creature with claws and spikes jutting from his body. Leonardo would have the ability to mutate his skin into different textures. And Splinter would transform into a creature twice his size that he would have limited control over."

Most of the information detailed here was revealed when Eastman sold his scripts/concept art for the 4th movie. I'm guessing this direction was pretty much the way Eastman wanted to do it, but Laird likely disagreed with his vision outside of the whole secondary mutations for the Turtles.
http://comics.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=7059&lotNo=92363
Here's a thread where we were discussing it:
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/sho...t=33269&page=4

DrSpengler covered some of the various other ideas in this post:
http://tmntentity.blogspot.com/2011/...hat-never.html

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 12-31-2013, 07:34 PM

I can't imagine why.... I've noticed they seem to have different ideas on what constitutes "good" story ideas.

*Chris* · 01-01-2014, 02:46 AM

Interestingly Peter Laird's recently been posting his old April/May 1994 sketchbook on his blog and it features some of the secondary mutation TMNT designs but this time he says they were for the potential "back to basics" vol. 3 that he and Kevin Eastman considered but never did. There were also some 4th movie sketches (Spyder and Kirby). It looks like the new TMNT designs/secondary mutations were being considered for both the movie and the comics and we got neither.

Stingray69 · 01-01-2014, 09:01 AM

I would still love to have seen this. And if it would have cane out in 95 my ten yr old self would of been all over it.

12-31-2013, 11:20 AM	#1
TMNTFan9000 Random Punk Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 21	Had the 4th Live Action Ninja Turtles Movie gone ahead how would you feel about it? So reading up on the Ninja Turtles films on IMDB and I found out about what was supposed the premise for the fourth live action Ninja Turtles film. Basically my question is had the movie gone ahead would you have seen it or are you glad they stopped when they did? Personally I don't mind the idea provided its done well but the two other times they did it weren't very good but you never know maybe someday some other person can make this idea work better then what we got before. For those who don't know this was what was supposed to happen in the fourth Ninja Turtles film: "Kevin Eastman was working on a fourth Ninja Turtles film between 1995 and 1997 titled TMNT: The Next Mutation. In 2012, Heritage Auctions published concept arts showing a fifth turtle named Kirby, but also featured are Fang, Shredder, Spyder, Nano Spyder, Super Shredder, Casey, Talbot, Lawson, Bugman and "Evil April". Peter Laird showed some concept art of the Turtles and Splinter on his blog. "TMNT: The Next Mutation" was a concept for fourth live-action movie should this third movie prove a success. In this concept the Ooze that transformed the Turtles and Splinter was still in their bodies causing a much more drastic 2nd mutation. Michelangelo's mutation would have gave him a more human appearance allowing him to walk amongst the people of the City. Donatello's mutation would have gave him to have psychic abilities, but have him wear an optic device because his mutation would cause his vision to deteriorate. Raphael's rage would cause him to mutate into a fearsome creature with claws and spikes jutting from his body. Leonardo would have the ability to mutate his skin into different textures. And Splinter would transform into a creature twice his size that he would have limited control over."

12-31-2013, 03:16 PM	#3
victory_angel Foot Elite Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Ca Posts: 3,108	I would have to agree with rickwj324. While second mutations or unstable mutations have appeared in the Ninja Turtles franchise before. Particularly with the Red Sky season of the OT series and the 2003 series. The OT series didn't do the unstable mutation all that well because why was it only the Turtles who had the unstable mutation? Why not anyone else such as Splinter or Rocksteady and Bebop? The 2003 series however had a good concept for the second mutation/unstable mutation by having Donatello getting attacked by a mutation carrying creature. Then having that be a slow build from there starting with a cold and ending with a Donatello Transforming. __________________

12-31-2013, 03:28 PM	#4
Aaronardo Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: :noitacoL Posts: 1,043	I already heard about this in TMNT: Smash Up. What a mess! As with the two posters above me, I couldn't imagine keeping up with that! It was already done, and not in the best way, either. __________________ "Shredder, you gotta listen to reason!" - Leonardo "Oh Turtles! Oh Turtles! Chew your gum properly." "If I miss this week's Kirby, heads are gonna roll." - Raphael "The Biosites have almost finished healing my flesh." - Shredder "Because we're takin' the heart and you're goin' to jail!" - Donatello

12-31-2013, 03:36 PM	#5
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,465	There is no incarnation of the fourth movie that didn't sound utterly horrendous. Though the fourth movie we finally got was pretty ghastly on its own, it's still significantly better than the one bandied about before ("Julie Strain is playing a wacky, evil empress from another dimension!" "the Turtles gain a second set of mutations!" "Kirby the Fifth Wacky Turtle!" "Venus is in it!" blah blah, etc etc). __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

12-31-2013, 05:02 PM	#8
Plasticplayhouse the gray ghost Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: North East Posts: 2,194	yeah, that movie would have been atrocious. __________________ Want to see more of my custom figures? http://plasticplayhouse.deviantart.com/

12-31-2013, 03:43 PM	#6
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,825	It would be the "Batman and Robin" of the TMNT movie franchise. Turtles gaining new mutations, the 5th turtle Kirby, some sort of female sorcery woman...sounds like truly horrible fanfiction.

12-31-2013, 05:05 PM	#9
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,945	Much like The Next Mutation & musical specials, I would have found ways to enjoy it. I'm sure it would be been some sort of massacre, but I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't love to see that concept art realized in foam suits and props. There was some cool stuff being drawn up.

12-31-2013, 05:07 PM	#10
rickwj324 Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 1,019	Why does TMNT (2007) get all the hate that it does? I really enjoyed it and thought it was pretty well done. I'd rather see a cgi continuation of that movie than the new Bay film (at least from all the details floating around about it).

12-31-2013, 05:30 PM	#11
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,945	Too many plots at once, boring original characters, weird character designs, too much focus on Raph/Leo, Nightwatcher, Karai is a pushover, blah blah blah.

12-31-2013, 06:25 PM	#14
Xav Foot Elite Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 3,041	I still would have preferred over what ever the heck the new movie is gonna be.

12-31-2013, 06:29 PM	#15
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,298	I'd probably have seen it as a guilty pleasure... __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

12-31-2013, 07:34 PM	#18
MsMarvelDuckie I Married a Duck! Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: The bowels of Hell, Texas(otherwise known as Decatur) Posts: 8,773	I can't imagine why.... I've noticed they seem to have different ideas on what constitutes "good" story ideas. __________________ "You IDIOTS! You've captured their STUNT doubles!" -from "Spaceballs" "Where Science ends, magic begins." -Spiral, Uncanny X-Men #491 My various stories and fan-fics are now here- https://m.fanfiction.net/u/4770494/#end

01-01-2014, 02:46 AM	#19
Chris Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,898	Interestingly Peter Laird's recently been posting his old April/May 1994 sketchbook on his blog and it features some of the secondary mutation TMNT designs but this time he says they were for the potential "back to basics" vol. 3 that he and Kevin Eastman considered but never did. There were also some 4th movie sketches (Spyder and Kirby). It looks like the new TMNT designs/secondary mutations were being considered for both the movie and the comics and we got neither.

01-01-2014, 09:01 AM	#20
Stingray69 Stone Warrior Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 916	I would still love to have seen this. And if it would have cane out in 95 my ten yr old self would of been all over it. __________________ Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today. Looking to buy old Kool aid flavors no longer produced.