Raph and Leo

Misfit · 07-23-2003, 11:59 AM

I'm curious, how do you guys like Raph and Leo's brotherly relationship to be protrayed? Do you like them with lots of tension and constantly at each other's throats like the movie and new show, or do you wish they'd both lighten up and drop their attitudes?

Personally I love them with all the tension and think they'd be pretty boring without it. Like in the 80s toon...it wasn't really focused on, though Raph was always being sarcy he always seemed to wind up doing whatever Leo wanted in the end, often following his orders without question where as movie/new toon Raph likes to go his own way a lot of the time.

Thoughts?

*cqb101* · 07-23-2003, 12:07 PM

I like the original relationship where they're always at each others throats. It makes it a lot more interesting.

*Taloniss* · 07-23-2003, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by cqb101

I like the original relationship where they're always at each others throats. It makes it a lot more interesting.

I agree.

*Raven* · 07-23-2003, 12:47 PM

same here, it was cool seeing the two yell at each other, than watch raph storm out, or throw leo through a wall

Kiss_My_Shell · 07-23-2003, 12:51 PM

I like to watch them act like that,it's so interesting.Raph looses his temper,and then Leo throws off a wall.Heh,they do act like brothers

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**HorseTechie** · 07-23-2003, 12:54 PM

Being partial to Raph, yeah... I do like how the two are usually at each other. The sibling rivalry, the tension, and the fact that everyone isn't always a big happy family like the old cartoon portrays.

And I'm always a sucker for inner turmoil, struggles of morality versus emotions, et all. Even though the brotherly love aspect has been parodied to death, I still love that bathroom scene in the first movie. Goes to show that even the two get at each other's throats, they still respect each other deep down. All wothout really having to become soft pushovers.

Knuckles · 07-23-2003, 01:03 PM

I think the tension's good, but I also like when they show that Raph really does care about Leo. For instance, in "The Shredder Strikes," when Shredder was about to slash Leo, Raph yells, "No!" and leaps in to save him, even though he took a hit for it.

*Jephael* · 07-23-2003, 01:40 PM

I'd have to go with how they behaved together in the Archie comics. In that version Raph was more of a hothead and a loner, but he was always respectful of Leo.

Quiller-Bee · 07-23-2003, 02:35 PM

My two favorites! I've always enjoyed the tension and sense of rivalry between Leo and Raph, as well as the frustration that each felt with the other.

Is it just me, or do the two of them seem as though they've mellowed a little towards one another in Mirage TMNT, vol. 4? Personally, I don't mind seeing a little progress and character development take place. While enjoyable for a time, any theme will become stale and redundant over time . . . and I'd hate to see that happen with the Leo/Raph relationship. We'll never see them holding hands and singing campfire songs together, but it's good to see characters grow.

The Master · 07-23-2003, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Quiller-Bee

Is it just me, or do the two of them seem as though they've mellowed a little towards one another in Mirage TMNT, vol. 4? Personally, I don't mind seeing a little progress and character development take place. While enjoyable for a time, any theme will become stale and redundant over time . . . and I'd hate to see that happen with the Leo/Raph relationship. We'll never see them holding hands and singing campfire songs together, but it's good to see characters grow.

Well, they are adults now, no longer the teenagers of old. Maturity has set in.

DarkNinja · 07-23-2003, 05:10 PM

I like the tension between Raph and Leo. It reminds me of myself and my little sister fighting all the time; there is a ten year difference in our age but that doesn't stop her from being a brat. She's pure evil

, someone save me!

The Bossanova · 07-23-2003, 06:11 PM

I dont think there should constantly be tension between them..there should be occasions were they laugh at the same thing or agree on the same battle strategy or something to that sort..but yeah the should argue and fight at times

Quiller-Bee · 07-23-2003, 06:34 PM

While they've never been all mushy and sappy about it, Raph and Leo care for each other as good brothers do. Yeah, they fight a lot, but either one would literally kill in defense of the other.

My youngest sibling and I have fought since we were mere tykes, and to this day, still occasionally do. When that happens, for God's sake and your own, get out of the way. Still, in spite of our clashes and conflicts, we're the closest out of the lot of us. In addition to that, you cross one of us and you'll answer to the other. Just because two individuals fight like cats and dogs doesn't mean that they can't or don't share a deep bond.

Enough rambling from me . . . all I'm saying is that I think that Leo and Raph are the same way.

The Bossanova · 07-23-2003, 06:39 PM

well no i dont want them to be all mushy and sappy

*XERO* · 07-23-2003, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Quiller-Bee

Is it just me, or do the two of them seem as though they've mellowed a little towards one another in Mirage TMNT, vol. 4? Personally, I don't mind seeing a little progress and character development take place. While enjoyable for a time, any theme will become stale and redundant over time . . . and I'd hate to see that happen with the Leo/Raph relationship. We'll never see them holding hands and singing campfire songs together, but it's good to see characters grow.

Well, they are adults now, no longer the teenagers of old. Maturity has set in.

Yeah, I just realized that. They're like 28 years old now, and yet they're still called Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

I guess Mutant Ninja Turtles doesn't quite roll of the tongue...

But then again, Ninja Turtles always worked for me!

Quiller-Bee · 07-24-2003, 02:23 AM

Actually, I think they're in their thirties now!

If I remember correctly, Peter mentions it somewhere in the letter column of Mirage TMNT, vol. 4.

*heretic888* · 07-24-2003, 07:02 AM

Late twenties to early thirties, to be precise. The exact age is still unknown.

Quiller-Bee · 07-24-2003, 01:25 PM

To be a little more precise, the Turtles are past their twenties and are now in their thirties. Mid-thirties, to be closer to exact.

Peter Laird, Turtle Tracks letters section of TMNT vol. 4, #3:
"Okay… this will be the first, last and only time I answer this oft-asked question in this book. The Turtles are not teenagers any more. They are in their thirties. That being said, the book will not be called MIDDLE-AGED MUTANT NINJA TURTLES or any other equally lame thing, because I like the name TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES, and that's the name I think of when I think of these characters."

*heretic888* · 07-28-2003, 06:09 AM

The only way they could be in their mid-thirties is if the "Teenage" Mutant Ninja Turtles were 20 in their very first issue.

Quiller-Bee · 07-28-2003, 06:39 AM

I think you might need to double-check your math, heretic. Check your calendar and you'll see that next year is 2004 . . . the 20th anniversary of the TMNT is quickly approaching. If the TMNT universe's timeline roughly parallels our own, it is indeed quite possible for the Turtles to be in their mid-thirties. Furthermore—and I know you aren't gonna like this statement—but you aren't Peter Laird. His word carries far more weight concerning any and all things TMNT than your own. Like it or not, like me, you're only a fan.

07-23-2003, 11:59 AM	#1
Misfit Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2003 Location: UK Posts: 508	Raph and Leo I'm curious, how do you guys like Raph and Leo's brotherly relationship to be protrayed? Do you like them with lots of tension and constantly at each other's throats like the movie and new show, or do you wish they'd both lighten up and drop their attitudes? Personally I love them with all the tension and think they'd be pretty boring without it. Like in the 80s toon...it wasn't really focused on, though Raph was always being sarcy he always seemed to wind up doing whatever Leo wanted in the end, often following his orders without question where as movie/new toon Raph likes to go his own way a lot of the time. Thoughts?

07-23-2003, 12:07 PM	#2
cqb101 Cinephile Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Salem, MA Posts: 8,489	I like the original relationship where they're always at each others throats. It makes it a lot more interesting. __________________ Facebook

07-23-2003, 12:47 PM	#4
Raven follower of Jesus Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,212	same here, it was cool seeing the two yell at each other, than watch raph storm out, or throw leo through a wall __________________ TMNT Future Despair Deviant Offical Ultimate Ninja Turtles Site!

07-23-2003, 12:51 PM	#5
Kiss_My_Shell Thug Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Raphael's room Posts: 76	Raph and Leo I like to watch them act like that,it's so interesting.Raph looses his temper,and then Leo throws off a wall.Heh,they do act like brothers [/b] __________________ "You got lotta explanin to do!"-Raph "Kiss my Shell!"-Venus

07-23-2003, 01:40 PM	#8
Jephael That whack job behind you Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania Posts: 8,142	I'd have to go with how they behaved together in the Archie comics. In that version Raph was more of a hothead and a loner, but he was always respectful of Leo. __________________ "I like it. Simple, but effective!" Raphael; The Mean Machines - 1988

07-23-2003, 12:54 PM	#6
HorseTechie Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Midwest Posts: 5,677	Being partial to Raph, yeah... I do like how the two are usually at each other. The sibling rivalry, the tension, and the fact that everyone isn't always a big happy family like the old cartoon portrays. And I'm always a sucker for inner turmoil, struggles of morality versus emotions, et all. Even though the brotherly love aspect has been parodied to death, I still love that bathroom scene in the first movie. Goes to show that even the two get at each other's throats, they still respect each other deep down. All wothout really having to become soft pushovers.

07-23-2003, 01:03 PM	#7
Knuckles Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 260	I think the tension's good, but I also like when they show that Raph really does care about Leo. For instance, in "The Shredder Strikes," when Shredder was about to slash Leo, Raph yells, "No!" and leaps in to save him, even though he took a hit for it.

07-23-2003, 02:35 PM	#9
Quiller-Bee Hench Mutant Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Hive - Quadrant 2, Sector 7 Posts: 264	My two favorites! I've always enjoyed the tension and sense of rivalry between Leo and Raph, as well as the frustration that each felt with the other. Is it just me, or do the two of them seem as though they've mellowed a little towards one another in Mirage TMNT, vol. 4? Personally, I don't mind seeing a little progress and character development take place. While enjoyable for a time, any theme will become stale and redundant over time . . . and I'd hate to see that happen with the Leo/Raph relationship. We'll never see them holding hands and singing campfire songs together, but it's good to see characters grow. __________________ May you get to Heaven an hour before the Devil knows you're dead.

07-23-2003, 05:10 PM	#11
DarkNinja Foot Soldier Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: USA Posts: 162	I like the tension between Raph and Leo. It reminds me of myself and my little sister fighting all the time; there is a ten year difference in our age but that doesn't stop her from being a brat. She's pure evil , someone save me! __________________ Do not think that you have to win, rather, think that you do not have to lose. -Gichin Funakoshi

07-23-2003, 06:11 PM	#12
The Bossanova Foot Soldier Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: the Eden Prarie Mall Posts: 212	I dont think there should constantly be tension between them..there should be occasions were they laugh at the same thing or agree on the same battle strategy or something to that sort..but yeah the should argue and fight at times __________________ "You know a little Primeateen might just help to clear that up"

07-23-2003, 06:34 PM	#13
Quiller-Bee Hench Mutant Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Hive - Quadrant 2, Sector 7 Posts: 264	While they've never been all mushy and sappy about it, Raph and Leo care for each other as good brothers do. Yeah, they fight a lot, but either one would literally kill in defense of the other. My youngest sibling and I have fought since we were mere tykes, and to this day, still occasionally do. When that happens, for God's sake and your own, get out of the way. Still, in spite of our clashes and conflicts, we're the closest out of the lot of us. In addition to that, you cross one of us and you'll answer to the other. Just because two individuals fight like cats and dogs doesn't mean that they can't or don't share a deep bond. Enough rambling from me . . . all I'm saying is that I think that Leo and Raph are the same way. __________________ May you get to Heaven an hour before the Devil knows you're dead.

07-23-2003, 06:39 PM	#14
The Bossanova Foot Soldier Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: the Eden Prarie Mall Posts: 212	well no i dont want them to be all mushy and sappy __________________ "You know a little Primeateen might just help to clear that up"

07-24-2003, 02:23 AM	#16
Quiller-Bee Hench Mutant Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Hive - Quadrant 2, Sector 7 Posts: 264	Actually, I think they're in their thirties now! If I remember correctly, Peter mentions it somewhere in the letter column of Mirage TMNT, vol. 4. __________________ May you get to Heaven an hour before the Devil knows you're dead.

07-24-2003, 07:02 AM	#17
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	hmm Late twenties to early thirties, to be precise. The exact age is still unknown. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

07-24-2003, 01:25 PM	#18
Quiller-Bee Hench Mutant Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Hive - Quadrant 2, Sector 7 Posts: 264	Hmmmm . . . To be a little more precise, the Turtles are past their twenties and are now in their thirties. Mid-thirties, to be closer to exact. *Peter Laird, Turtle Tracks* letters section of TMNT vol. 4, #3:** "Okay… this will be the first, last and only time I answer this oft-asked question in this book. The Turtles are not teenagers any more. They are in their thirties. That being said, the book will not be called MIDDLE-AGED MUTANT NINJA TURTLES or any other equally lame thing, because I like the name TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES, and that's the name I think of when I think of these characters." __________________ May you get to Heaven an hour before the Devil knows you're dead.

07-28-2003, 06:09 AM	#19
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	hmmm The only way they could be in their mid-thirties is if the "Teenage" Mutant Ninja Turtles were 20 in their very first issue. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

07-28-2003, 06:39 AM	#20
Quiller-Bee Hench Mutant Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Hive - Quadrant 2, Sector 7 Posts: 264	Hmmmm, Mmmmm, Ahhhhh, Oooohhhh . . . I think you might need to double-check your math, heretic. Check your calendar and you'll see that next year is 2004 . . . the 20th anniversary of the TMNT is quickly approaching. If the TMNT universe's timeline roughly parallels our own, it is indeed quite possible for the Turtles to be in their mid-thirties. Furthermore—and I know you aren't gonna like this statement—but you aren't Peter Laird. His word carries far more weight concerning any and all things TMNT than your own. Like it or not, like me, you're only a fan. __________________ May you get to Heaven an hour before the Devil knows you're dead.